Richard Wright
Living Legend
Literally the worst advice i have ever read. man up and get a man degree.
If you dont go to a top undergrad school, liberal arts are for gays and women.
Unless u already 'got money'
How useless is a liberal arts degree?
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Literally the worst advice i have ever read. man up and get a man degree.
If you dont go to a top undergrad school, liberal arts are for gays and women.
Unless u already 'got money'
Literally the worst advice i have ever read. man up and get a man degree.
If you dont go to a top undergrad school, liberal arts are for gays and women.
Unless u already 'got money'
Those blogs are real, breh. It's tough out there for lawyers. Crazy thing is law schools keep pouring more of them into the market every year! But, the jobs aren't there. Like others have mentioned, only do law school if you're confident you can make it into a T-5 school. Beyond that, you're really gambling with money and time, breh. The days of "working-my-way-to-a-comfy-partner" spot in law firms are long gone. A select few (from Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, etc.) still ball out like that. But, for the most part, a lot of lawyers are now eyeing corporate law positions. They pay less, but provide more stability. Problem is those positions are just as scarce as positions at law firms.
Another thing to consider is the fact that a lot of entry-level legal work is now being sent to India. No need to pay a newly-minted lawyer six figures when you can pay BrehKumar in India a fraction of that to do the same job.
U.S. Legal Work Booms in India
Literally the worst advice i have ever read. man up and get a man degree.
If you dont go to a top undergrad school, liberal arts are for gays and women.
Unless u already 'got money'
I was thinking the same thing when I read that.
Richard Wright
Living Legend
Roaden Polynice
Superstar
What's a man degree, again?
same advice my father gave meSteer clear of the liberal arts brehyou don't want the drama it brings post-graduation. If you're struggling with math and science then buckle down and get some help, maybe go into business, just... think long and hard before you go through with that English degree
Richard Wright
Living Legend
Yeah, well a liberal arts BA is useless altogether if you're not teaching with it. In my experience, at least. And if you're NOT teaching, they'll ask you why in interviews, give you the
and effectively write you off.
That's not what I said at all. Far too many avoid and struggle in those fields though, simply for the fact that they don't want to put in the hard work.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
well as far as getting paid, liberal arts isnt the greatest route
but the most important thing is to follow your passion and to develop intellectually
but the most important thing is to follow your passion and to develop intellectually
No I'm reading it as you are. Whenever I do a google search for advice on whether or not to go to law school, nearly every website gives the same exact answer.
To supplement my earlier post:
Majoring in liberal arts does pay, eventually | Education Lab Blog | Seattle Times
Posted by Katherine Long
In recent years, lawmakers and pundits alike have seized on the idea that majoring in the liberal arts is a sure route to a low-paying, dead-end job.
Everyone seems to have a story about a history major who’s now waiting tables or working as a barista. Major in STEM fields — science, technology, engineering and math — instead, experts advise, because the payoff is much greater.
But what if that’s not true over the long run?
A new report by the Association of American Colleges and Universities and the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems examined whether liberal arts majors really do fare poorly over the course of their careers. They found some stereotypes don’t hold up to scrutiny.
Using Census data, researchers looked at liberal arts majors both in the short term and long term and found:
And it’s also true that holders of liberal arts degrees disproportionately pursue social sciences professions, like social work or counseling, the report found.
Dennis Jones, president of NCHEMS, said in a statement that the report “makes a strong case that liberal arts degrees really do prepare their holders for successful careers.
“More importantly,” Jones said, “it reminds us that these degrees are also the primary pathways to careers that society critically needs, but has been unwilling to compensate as well as others.”
In short, if it's your passion and you have demonstrated achievement in it, you CAN make a life for yourself doing it. You won't be caking like an engineer, but you also won't be starving, unemployed, or unable to afford nice vacations. In fact, if you get a Masters or PhD, you'll definitely be making significantly more than the average American. The median income for Liberal Arts undergrads who get an advanced degree is in the mid $60,000s, which means half of them are making even more than that. The average American salary is in the $40,000s.
Majoring in liberal arts does pay, eventually | Education Lab Blog | Seattle Times
Posted by Katherine Long
In recent years, lawmakers and pundits alike have seized on the idea that majoring in the liberal arts is a sure route to a low-paying, dead-end job.
Everyone seems to have a story about a history major who’s now waiting tables or working as a barista. Major in STEM fields — science, technology, engineering and math — instead, experts advise, because the payoff is much greater.
But what if that’s not true over the long run?
A new report by the Association of American Colleges and Universities and the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems examined whether liberal arts majors really do fare poorly over the course of their careers. They found some stereotypes don’t hold up to scrutiny.
Using Census data, researchers looked at liberal arts majors both in the short term and long term and found:
- When they are at peak earning ages — defined as between 56 and 60 years old — workers who majored in the humanities or social sciences as undergraduates earn about $2,000 more per year than those who majored as undergraduates in professional or pre-professional careers.
- The unemployment rate for recent liberal arts graduates is currently 5.2 percent. For liberal arts majors ages 41-50 — in other words, people who have been out of college for quite a while — the unemployment rate is 3.5 percent. That’s just .04 percent higher than those with a professional or pre-professional degree, researchers say.
And it’s also true that holders of liberal arts degrees disproportionately pursue social sciences professions, like social work or counseling, the report found.
Dennis Jones, president of NCHEMS, said in a statement that the report “makes a strong case that liberal arts degrees really do prepare their holders for successful careers.
“More importantly,” Jones said, “it reminds us that these degrees are also the primary pathways to careers that society critically needs, but has been unwilling to compensate as well as others.”
In short, if it's your passion and you have demonstrated achievement in it, you CAN make a life for yourself doing it. You won't be caking like an engineer, but you also won't be starving, unemployed, or unable to afford nice vacations. In fact, if you get a Masters or PhD, you'll definitely be making significantly more than the average American. The median income for Liberal Arts undergrads who get an advanced degree is in the mid $60,000s, which means half of them are making even more than that. The average American salary is in the $40,000s.
Roaden Polynice
Superstar
Uhhh alright
As for the threadstarter. Figure out what compels you, and work from the heart bra.
Don't do it for money, don't do it because it's convenient, do it because you actually love it.
In regards to law school, don't do it just because you want to go for a 'middle class lifestyle' or whatever your idea of that is. People are being hyperbolic when they say you need to go t-5 or bust. You don't. You can get a perfectly respectable legal education at many law schools in the nation. Don't fall prey to the manufactured prestige of some programs, do not be lured by a certain status a school or program may say they have. Most of that is bullshyt, it's partly the fact that they harbor most of the power in the academic world, and partly because it's just been like that. Harvard, Yale, Stanford...some other shuffling schools somewhere at the top. Who cares? People act like dudes at HYS are reading some arcane strand of law that is unknown to the vast majority of the nation, it's all the same shyt in the end, and going to HYS doesn't make you a good lawyer, or even a respectable human.
Yeah the legal field is weak, yeah I would advise against going to something like below t-50 or so but all it really comes down to is whether you have a plan, and that plan is going to be something you love. If it's for money, then yeah perhaps go for t-14 and shoot for BIGLAW (they make a lot of money, sure, but they work long hours, don't really produce anything of note and even further most law students can do the work that BIGLAW firms do).
So do what you want. Put your all into it. If you love it, money won't be an issue. If you are from a background a meager means chances are you or your children were never going to accrue that much wealth anyway so might as well spend this finite life we have doing something you feel is meaningful and that you enjoy.
U lookin at 2 degrees where folks are strugging for employment
I think its important to do what you like but you have to do it in a way that brings value to employers.
I think its important to do what you like but you have to do it in a way that brings value to employers.