How to turn NIMBYs into YIMBYs

[ogc163]

SF has environmental, issues from being built on landfill, earthquakes, and hills

some places, that's what they're demanding, SF has plenty of mid rise, MF buildings, but the pro-development groups want to push toward 20 story buildings everywhere. i'm pro housing development but also one that doesn't feel every city needs to look like NY. where we went wrong with suburbs is making them some SFH oriented. i think that's where people should push MF and mid rise development, the new developments that are popping up shouldn't all be 3000 sq ft mcmansions

The relevant issue is not whether there are environmental constraints, it is whether the environmental constraints are large enough to help justify the zoning laws.

Further, I doubt SF has environmental issues on par with Miami's hurricanes and rising sea levels which I'm presuming @OfTheCross was implicitly referring to, but I am open to you providing evidence that SF's issues are anywhere near the same.

 

[BillBanneker]

The 1500 unit building is what gets the big pushback.

I don't think people would care much if the zoning was changed to allow for duplexes. Developers don't ask for that tho.

And mine was a real life example.

Does this area already have a lot of duplexes? You always hear this, but the zoning laws still restricts them the same and the nimbys still oppose any changes.

 

[hashmander]

the problem is people congregating in small areas when there is a ton of room in this huge ass country. hopefully WFH becomes the norm and people get the fukk out and go somewhere cheaper and open.

 

[Scholar]

MFers really think their opinion on whether or not large buildings should be built should matter when you have ongoing homelessness crises . The gall.

Literally people sleeping on the street and thousand of kids in shelter. "Nah can't build here because in-my uneducated opinion that's a bad idea" . FOH

Buildings won't fit the "existing characteristics" of a neighborhood . Purposely downzoning areas to prevent larger housing from being built .





NYC's UWS purposely downzoning itself and refusing any large buildings via rezoning because they are concerned about 'displacement'. One of the wealthiest area of NYC and the U.S. with a majority of residents owning property concerned about 'displacement' . Soho another hugely wealthy area (median income 124K), cheapest available rental apartment $6K, but refuses to create affordable housing due to potential 'displacement' . Large swaths of Queens zoned only for single family homes. 50k people + people in shelter, how does this make sense or work . Parking requirements for housing


Lot of opposition to housing being built is rooted in ignorance and a bunch of

 

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[Consigliere]

MFers really think their opinion on whether or not large buildings should be built should matter when you have ongoing homelessness crises . The gall.

Literally people sleeping on the street and thousand of kids in shelter. "Nah can't build here because in-my uneducated opinion that's a bad idea" . FOH

Buildings won't fit the "existing characteristics" of a neighborhood . Purposely downzoning areas to prevent larger housing from being built .





NYC's UWS purposely downzoning itself and refusing any large buildings via rezoning because they are concerned about 'displacement'. One of the wealthiest area of NYC and the U.S. with a majority of residents owning property concerned about 'displacement' . Soho another hugely wealthy area (median income 124K), cheapest available rental apartment $6K, but refuses to create affordable housing due to potential 'displacement' . Large swaths of Queens zoned only for single family homes. 50k people + people in shelter, how does this make sense or work . Parking requirements for housing


Lot of opposition to housing being built is rooted in ignorance and a bunch of

This is an emotional appeal that doesn’t really address the issues of why the homeless are homeless.

What percentage of the homeless are on the street because of zoning laws versus mental health/social problems (theirs or their direct family that should be housing them)?

 

[Scholar]

This is an emotional appeal that doesn’t really address the issues of why the homeless are homeless.

What percentage of the homeless are on the street because of zoning laws versus mental health/social problems (theirs or their direct family that should be housing them)?

Lol are you serious ? In NYC over 50K people are homeless. 1/3rd of which are children......They are homeless because their parents cannot afford housing in city. Greater housing supply that outpaces demand would lead to lower prices and reduce homelessness. It is that simple

You need to actually look beyond stereotypes of homelessness to understand the housing crisis.

 

[Consigliere]

Lol are you serious ? In NYC over 50K people are homeless. 1/3rd of which are children......They are homeless because their parents cannot afford housing in city. Greater housing supply that outpaces demand would lead to lower prices and reduce homelessness. It is that simple

You need to actually look beyond stereotypes of homelessness to understand the housing crisis.

I don’t live in NYC because I can’t afford it. Should I move there anyway and live on the streets?

And how much housing would we have to develop in NYC for everyone to live there who can’t currently afford to do so? And then repeat that same exercise in every city where there are similar problems.

I think there are other pressures on housing prices in cities that could be explored in addition to zoning. Starting at the developer level where they rarely follow thru on the number of planned affordable units that they promise. Then address the number of domestic and foreign investors speculating on property that never gets occupied. And then tackle the population distribution. There are hundreds of thousands of unoccupied single family homes in Baltimore and Philly alone.

Maybe we should be relocating and re-skilling people who are homeless instead of using them as leverage for real estate developers to make more money.

 

[Conan]

I don’t live in NYC because I can’t afford it. Should I move there anyway and live on the streets?

And how much housing would we have to develop in NYC for everyone to live there who can’t currently afford to do so? And then repeat that same exercise in every city where there are similar problems.

I think there are other pressures on housing prices in cities that could be explored in addition to zoning. Starting at the developer level where they rarely follow thru on the number of planned affordable units that they promise. Then address the number of domestic and foreign investors speculating on property that never gets occupied. And then tackle the population distribution. There are hundreds of thousands of unoccupied single family homes in Baltimore and Philly alone.

Maybe we should be relocating and re-skilling people who are homeless instead of using them as leverage for real estate developers to make more money.

Why are you assuming most people who are homeless in NYC moved there while homeless?

 

[Consigliere]

Why are you assuming most people who are homeless in NYC moved there while homeless?

I’m not.

Why are we assuming that 50,000 homeless people were made that way due to zoning?

Why are we assuming that new housing units will come into the market supply quickly enough to bring market prices down to a level where the working poor can afford to stay in areas where they are being priced out?

Why are we assuming developers will actually build affordable housing when history says otherwise?

 

[Scholar]

I’m not.

1. Why are we assuming that 50,000 homeless people were made that way due to zoning?

2. Why are we assuming that new housing units will come into the market supply quickly enough to bring market prices down to a level where the working poor can afford to stay in areas where they are being priced out?

3.Why are we assuming developers will actually build affordable housing when history says otherwise?

1. High housing prices are function of demand greatly outpacing supply. Upzonings etc would create more supply in an attempt to meet demand and in turn lower housing prices. Correct zoning changes lead to more housing and affordable units. NYC also sets aside units in new buildings for homeless individuals and families

2. NYC's housing agency has a very efficient process for the creation units for developers. Far better than any city in the U.S. The city has proven to be very capable of supporting developers in getting building up on schedule

3. City law legally requires all new construction to have affordable units.

 

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Hayden Clarkin (@thetransitguy) on Threads

Single-stair apartments, like this one in Seattle, allow for 20 housing units on a lot that used to contain one single-family home. We need to legalize apartments on small lots so that we can build more missing middle housing with beautiful floor plans! (B9 architects)

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Hayden Clarkin (@thetransitguy) on Threads

With single-stair apartments, usually all apartments are served by a central staircase, which allows for much better apartment floor plans, as an entire floor is not divided by a common hallway that spans the entire length of the building. (See example)

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Hayden Clarkin (@thetransitguy) on Threads

An example in Paris of a 6 unit, 5 floor apartment. (MAO)

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