How the Quran was formed. (Historical Breakdown)

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Essays to duck a very simple question - "master deflector" coming from the guy who has literally avoided answering the same question how many times now?! You a clown - L after L

Nobody knows the imaginary “question” you keep referring to.

Why don’t you make your own thread asking this mysterious question

Besides, you’ll never accept any answers because you’re to stubborn to admit you’re wrong

It’s clear you can’t defend your own faith and religion or “prophet” so you attack Christianity

Responding to you is honestly beneath me at this point.

It was fun while it lasted.

At this point, if you’re not @MMS or @Koichos why are you even trying to debate me about religion?

I’m here to learn not play games.

Continue lurking my threads though. More coming soon (unless you get me bushed me again)

 

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remember Leah conceived with Jacob when the Lord saw she was hated but Rachel was barren...

This is a story from the Bible, right?

I can look to the Jewish scriptures for the meaning and context in the overall Bible narrative

I don’t need the Arabic version and with a new interpretation from another man’s point of view X amount of years later

Neither should God feel the need to tell the same story twice or remix it for another audience

We are responsible

I can read English. I have an English Bible

If I spoke Arabic I’d use whatever Arabic translation of the Torah available to me.

 

[merklman]

Nobody knows the imaginary “question” you keep referring to.

Why don’t you make your own thread asking this mysterious question

Besides, you’ll never accept any answers because you’re to stubborn to admit you’re wrong

It’s clear you can’t defend your own faith and religion or “prophet” so you attack Christianity

Responding to you is honestly beneath me at this point.

It was fun while it lasted.

At this point, if you’re not @MMS or @Koichos why are you even trying to debate me about religion?

I’m here to learn not play games.

Continue lurking my threads though. More coming soon (unless you get me bushed me again)

No one is reading your essay of ducking and dodging, answer the question and then we can move forward with a discourse.

The sad thing is, you know what the answer is, but you can't say it because it totally destroys your fragile belief system, hence you outright avoid trying to answer. L after L

Also - I didn't get you bushed, from what I can tell from your other threads, it's from you being a racist Islamophobic CAC piece of shyt

 

[MMS]

This is a story from the Bible, right?

I can look to the Jewish scriptures for the meaning and context in the overall Bible narrative

I don’t need the Arabic version and with a new interpretation from another man’s point of view X amount of years later

Neither should God feel the need to tell the same story twice or remix it for another audience

We are responsible

I can read English. I have an English Bible

If I spoke Arabic I’d use whatever Arabic translation of the Torah available to me.

if thats the case then why arent there churches of Shamgar son of Anath?

once again, you assume that the narratives in the gospel are new

Paul said he persecuted the church have you ever really contemplated that statement?

also, when did you decide you know what God should feel the need to do?

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 4 - King James Version

Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from...

www.biblegateway.com

 

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also, when did you decide you know what God should feel the need to do?

Good question

What’s the purpose of God sending the Holy Spirit then?

 

[MMS]

Good question

What’s the purpose of God sending the Holy Spirit then?

God "breathed" into the mans nostrils and he became a living soul

why ask a question like that? see this passage from the nicean creed

And in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the Creator of life,
Who proceeds from the Father,
Who together with the Father and the Son
is worshiped and glorified,
who spoke through the prophets.

foolish question imo

 

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God "breathed" into the mans nostrils and he became a living soul

why ask a question like that? see this passage from the nicean creed



foolish question imo

You are insinuating EVERYONE is a prophet.

Not everyone in Starwars is a Jedi

 

[MMS]

You are insinuating EVERYONE is a prophet.

Not everyone in Starwars is a Jedi

in theory if you live, you are a prophet of the living God



remember the message David said to the Philistine

1 Samuel 17:45 Hebrew Text Analysis

"You come to me with a dagger/sword, a spear and a javelin but I come to you in the name of the LORD of Hosts, God of the Armies of ISRAEL whom you have defied"

David had only his sling and staves

1 Samuel 17:43 Hebrew Text Analysis

some Christian sects are still in debate about whether Jesus was crucified to a cross or a staff

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Spoiler

Genesis 32:10 Hebrew Text Analysis

Genesis 30:37 Hebrew Text Analysis

 

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in theory if you live, you are a prophet of the living God



remember the message David said to the Philistine

1 Samuel 17:45 Hebrew Text Analysis

"You come to me with a dagger/sword, a spear and a javelin but I come to you in the name of the LORD of Hosts, God of the Armies of ISRAEL whom you have defied"

David had only his sling and staves

1 Samuel 17:43 Hebrew Text Analysis

some Christian sects are still in debate about whether Jesus was crucified to a cross or a staff

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Spoiler

Genesis 32:10 Hebrew Text Analysis

Genesis 30:37 Hebrew Text Analysis

Jewish prophets who served a special and specific purpose in the narrative can’t be compared to anyone living today. And after Jesus (assuming he’s the Messiah) they aren’t even needed anymore

In Jesus everyone is part of a “royal priesthood” potentially.

From google:

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.


Being a "royal priesthood" as described in 1 Peter 2:9 means that as followers of Christ, we are chosen, set apart, and called to serve God and proclaim his praises, having direct access to Him through Christ, and representing Him to the world.

Royal Priesthood:
This phrase combines the roles of royalty and priesthood, indicating that believers have direct access to God and are called to serve Him

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But under the Jewish temple system or theological “kingdom” of God on earth seen in the Old Testament, not so much. It’s more exclusive and for a select few. But I’m no expert on Judaism maybe @Koichos can chime in.

 

[MMS]

Jewish prophets who served a special and specific purpose in the narrative can’t be compared to anyone living today. And after Jesus (assuming he’s the Messiah) they aren’t even needed anymore

In Jesus everyone is part of a “royal priesthood” potentially.

From google:

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.


Being a "royal priesthood" as described in 1 Peter 2:9 means that as followers of Christ, we are chosen, set apart, and called to serve God and proclaim his praises, having direct access to Him through Christ, and representing Him to the world.

Royal Priesthood:
This phrase combines the roles of royalty and priesthood, indicating that believers have direct access to God and are called to serve Him

______________________________________

But under the Jewish temple system or theological “kingdom” of God on earth seen in the Old Testament, not so much. It’s more exclusive and for a select few. But I’m no expert on Judaism maybe @Koichos can chime in.

it depends on which side you think called you out of darkness? The LORD or someone else down stream? (the visual of Moses being sent by his mother in a boat of pitch and bitumin down the river Nile to the wife/daughter of Pharaoh should come to mind)

the word for "darkness" in hebrew can also mean "spells and murmurings"

Isaiah 28:11-12

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 28 - King James Version

Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine! Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty...

www.biblegateway.com

 

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God "breathed" into the mans nostrils and he became a living soul

why ask a question like that? see this passage from the nicean creed



foolish question imo

By the way, the question was rhetorical

 

[Koichos]

Jewish prophets who served a special and specific purpose in the narrative can’t be compared to anyone living today. And after Jesus (assuming he’s the Messiah) they aren’t even needed anymore

In Jesus everyone is part of a “royal priesthood” potentially.

From google:

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.


Being a "royal priesthood" as described in 1 Peter 2:9 means that as followers of Christ, we are chosen, set apart, and called to serve God and proclaim his praises, having direct access to Him through Christ, and representing Him to the world.

Royal Priesthood:
This phrase combines the roles of royalty and priesthood, indicating that believers have direct access to God and are called to serve Him

______________________________________

But under the Jewish temple system or theological “kingdom” of God on earth seen in the Old Testament, not so much. It’s more exclusive and for a select few. But I’m no expert on Judaism maybe @Koichos can chime in.

Royal Line/Tribe of Y'hudah (from which the King Mashiyaħ will come) = direct paternal descendants of Y'hudah, the 4th son of Ya`aḳοv and Le´ah
Priesthood/Tribe of Levi (from which the Chief Kοhen will come) = direct paternal descendants of Aharοn, the older brother of Mοsheh and Miryam

 

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Royal Line/Tribe of Y'hudah (from which the King Mashiyaħ will come) = direct paternal descendants of Y'hudah, the 4th son of Ya`aḳοv and Le´ah
Priesthood/Tribe of Levi (from which the Chief Kοhen will come) = direct paternal descendants of Aharοn, the older brother of Mοsheh and Miryam

So I got a question, if the Messiah is also supposed to be a king, why wasn’t David technically considered the “messiah” when he was ruling (from a Jewish perspective) at that time?

I feel like I should know the answer to this….. I’ve been watching the “chosen” Amazon series

 

[Koichos]

So I got a question, if the Messiah is also supposed to be a king, why wasn’t David technically considered the “messiah” when he was ruling (from a Jewish perspective) at that time?

I feel like I should know the answer to this….. I’ve been watching the “chosen” Amazon series

David was [considered ‘a’ messiah], and is called as much: Sh'muël Part II 19:22, 22:51, 23:1; Tillim 18:51. All our kings, from Sha´ul on down, were messiahs.

 

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David was [considered ‘a’ messiah], and is called as much: Sh'muël Part II 19:22, 22:51, 23:1; Tillim 18:51. All our kings, from Sha´ul on down, were messiahs.

INTERESTING!

How do we know when the final one has arrived?

And who was the last “messiah”?

Does the title King Mashiyaħ refer to the LAST or a SPECIFIC PERSON in this succession of Kings/Rulers?

Can an ARAB be a “Messiah”?