How The Obama Administration Talks to Black America

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No, I'm saying that the president is the executive. He doesn't make law but he can influence the lawmakers (Congress) and that influence is usually done based on what the majority of the people speak out upon. He has issues that he can personally work towards as well but is limited in his capacity based on checks and balances.

That doesn't make him useless. Just because he can't snap his fingers and give every black person reparations doesn't mean that he isn't breaking down barriers for blacks nor that he is serving as a role model to kids who may have been inspired by that speech and who may go out and make a difference and change the world.

Actually Black people have a larger, stronger, and bigger financially lobbyist than Hispanics. So, people need to stop making that argument. Black lobbyist funded Obama more than Hispanics. You can't believe everything you see on T.V.

Black lobbyist are actually more in Obama face than Hispanics lobbyist. But he tell the Black lobbyist to stop complaining after they help him get into office.
 

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Actually Black people have a larger, stronger, and bigger financially lobbyist than Hispanics. So, people need to stop making that argument. Black lobbyist funded Obama more than Hispanics. You can't believe everything you see on T.V.

Black lobbyist are actually more in Obama face than Hispanics lobbyist. But he tell the Black lobbyist to stop complaining after they help him get into office.

Please show me these numbers and the specific cause they are working towards because I believe there is a more concentrated effort by Hispanics on the cause of immigration than blacks on any particular government issue, but if I am wrong, I will gladly concede that point if you can validate the source.
 

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again who are these obamas talking to? and if you say hood nuccas. then ask the obama's why are they saying these speeches at non hood events and speaking to a bunch of educated folk like they wanna grow up to be chief keef. it makes zero sense.
 

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President Obama Gives Condescending Lecture To Black College Graduates | Polite On Society

President Obama must be feeling constrained lately. Last week, he let it slip that at times, he feels like “going Bulworth” Bulworth is a movie about a fictional president who after winning, starts telling the truth, and saying what he wants. As explained greatly by the co-writer of Bulworth, Obama is a kept figure by the powers that be, and will never do such a thing. However, there is one group of people that the President never fails to unload on. That group is none other than his most loyal constituents: Black America.

Of course, this post is referring to President Obama and his commencement address this weekend at Morehouse. In what has become a trope in the President’s communication with the Black community, Obama, addressed a crowd of Black college graduates and said there were “no excuses” for them.

The framework in which President Obama sees Black people and their reasoning is very skewed. According to his “tough love” logic, Black people make excuses, while others have legitimate reasons for social impediments. We all know that such broad statements would not have been made at a predominately white institution of higher learning.

Since we are on the topic of excuses, what is President Obama’s explanation for the AP spying scandal? It is a major violation of the first amendment, and to date there has been little mention of it. Why? While we wait for the answer for that (Don’t hold your breath, folks) let us get back to the subject. The point of this is, while it may seem like these sort of remarks come from a good place, it is heavily calculated. Black college graduates are a safe target to assail. When Black people make demands for things to be improved from Black politicians, it can be framed as asking for handouts. While Bill Cosby laid the foundation early for Black 21st century classist warfare, Obama has perfected the narrative. Browbeating Black men is the safe thing to do for Black politicians. It is a tool readily available for public use, and always gets more than a few “amens” from some of the targets themselves. It makes it much easier to spread the slander.

Obeezy might have :ufdup:. People are growing tired of his incessant condescension and scolding amid conspicuous non-action :mjpls: and aren't afraid to call him out on this after this.
 

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President Obama Gives Condescending Lecture To Black College Graduates | Polite On Society



Obeezy might have :ufdup:. People are growing tired of his incessant condescension and scolding amid conspicuous non-action :mjpls:.

I should've gave up on Obama when his spineless asss pull that bytchass move of firing Shirley Sherrod. I kept on trying to make excuses for him, but you can only give a person so many excuses. Fox News has owned his weakass ever since. Obama has always been quick to shytt on black people to appease the white conservative population.
 

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NewBlackMan (in Exile): No More Excuses?: The Myth of Black Uplift by David J. Leonard

No More Excuses?: The Myth of Black Uplift
By David J. Leonard | NewBlackMan (in Exile)

From Jimmy Iovine to Cory Booker, America’s cultural, educational and political elite is gracing the halls of academy to celebrate the nation’s education successes (along with their movement back to their parent’s couches). President Obama offered the following at the Morehouse Commencement:

We know that too many young men in our community continue to make bad choices. Growing up, I made a few myself. And I have to confess, sometimes I wrote off my own failings as just another example of the world trying to keep a black man down. But one of the things you've learned over the last four years is that there's no longer any room for excuses. I understand that there's a common fraternity creed here at Morehouse: "excuses are tools of the incompetent, used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness."

We've got no time for excuses – not because the bitter legacies of slavery and segregation have vanished entirely; they haven't. Not because racism and discrimination no longer exist; that's still out there. It's just that in today's hyper-connected, hyper-competitive world, with a billion young people from China and India and Brazil entering the global workforce alongside you, nobody is going to give you anything you haven't earned. And whatever hardships you may experience because of your race, they pale in comparison to the hardships previous generations endured – and overcame.

Excuses, really? He might have as well told black America to stop “playing the race card.” If only he went to Ohio State and told white America to stop playing “the race denial card.”

Didn’t he tell the nation that he wasn’t the president of black America, but the United States of America? Or does that not count at HBCU graduations and NAACP meetings? Beyond the double standards, President Obama would never remind white America that we don’t have time for our excuses. He would never note that less than 1% of scholarships are reserved for students of color. He would never remind white audiences that affirmative action or minority scholarships have nothing to do with why Greg or Jan did not get into their desired school.

Nor would he go and tell white America that we will need to work harder since the era of unearned advantages of getting call backs for jobs because of one’s name or ones place in the old boy’s network is coming to end. Neither President Obama nor a white president would call out White America demanding that the excuses of video games or movies, hip-hop or anything else would be used to explanation away mass shootings committed by white men (70% of them). Tim Wise makes all this clear when he writes:

Needless to say, Barack Obama will never tell white people at a traditionally white college or university to stop blaming affirmative action for every job we didn’t get, or every law school we didn’t get into, though we’ve been known to use both of these excuses on more than a few occasions.

Yet beyond the hypocrisy here and in speeches about gun violence (parents matter in Chicago but not in Newtown), the tone of American Exceptionalism wrapped up in bootstraps, culture, choices, and admonishments to “do better”—in the absence of any discussion of policy or institutions—is troubling.

The adulation for the American Dream and the celebration of education as the great equalizer was nothing new for President Obama, who campaigned with this message. Emphasizing the failures of the black community to take advantage of opportunities, then-Senator Obama perpetuated the myth that there are more black men in prison than in college: “We have more black men in prison than we have in our colleges.”

Terrible except it isn’t true. As of 2013, there are 1.4 million black men in college compared to 840,000 in prison. Over 5.5% of all college students in 2010 were black males, which is proportional to population. Ivory Toldson, associate professor at Howard University, recently highlighted the fallacy and the danger in the perpetuation of misinformation based in racial stereotypes: “We will not sufficiently support black male college students – nor college-bound students – if we simply keep perpetuating the myth that juxtaposes their needs with those of black males in the criminal-justice system.” In other words, in President Obama’s utterance of this myth, as with Ms. Obama’s commencement speech, facts remain an inconvenient truth.

Look at the numbers. According to the National Center for Education Statistics: “From 1976 to 2010, the percentage of Hispanic students rose from 3 percent to 13 percent, the percentage of Asian/Pacific Islander students rose from 2 percent to 6 percent, and the percentage of Black students rose from 9 percent to 14 percent. During the same period, the percentage of White students fell from 83 percent to 61 percent.” In the era of hip-hop and growing visibility of sports, black educational success has been on the rise; whites educational attainment, on the other hand, has been in steady decline. “Instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader, they’re clearly fantasizing about becoming reality TV stars and extreme sports champions.

The inequalities within higher education rests not with separate aspirations and unequal dreams but with the failures of colleges and universities to produce diverse graduates. According to a new report from the American Council on Education, “the pool of students leaving with a bachelor’s degree is less diverse than the pool entering or remaining in college.” A recent report from the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation and several scholars, entitled "Challenging the Status Quo," only 16 percent of African American men complete degrees after enrolling compared to 32 percent of white men (& 20 percent of black women). Whether because of financial difficulties, rising tuition costs, the lack of mentors, isolation, or campus climate, universities are failing black students. The dreams and aspirations are clear; the problem is with the mechanism to turn them into reality.

Instead of addressing the obstacles that lead black youth to dropout from colleges and universities, the Obamas have recycled the tried and tested narrative that blames the black community for its own problems. Instead of curtailing school closures and combating the impact of high-stakes testing that fuels dropouts, the Obamas offer a remix that sees poor values and choices as the true problem. Instead of challenging the daily message sent to black youth that their education isn’t a societal priority, the Obamas have taken aim at black parents.

Clearly erasing facts and research is clearly a bipartisan affair.

According to Douglas S. Massey, Camille Z. Charles, Garvey Lundy and Mary J. Fischer, black parents are more likely than their white counterparts to check on homework completion; 60-75% of black youth report that their parents regularly read to them. Black parents are also more likely to assist their children with homework; they are equally as likely to attend parent-teacher conferences. Yet, the myth of black disinterest in school persists. Despite the fact that black 12 graders are twice as likely to have perfect attendance records and are less likely to have missed more than 7 days of school in a semester compared to their white peers, the blame game persists. The commitment to education and the value placed upon learning has been on full display with students walking out in Newark and Chicago demanding better schools.

It would have been nice if the Obamas had celebrated these students who are standing up and demanding a better education; it would have been great had their speeches highlighted the students in Seattle and NY saying no to testing and yes to learning. Even better, can you imagine a speech that said “no more excuses America, no more talking points about debts and austerity,” all children deserve a chance, a reasonable chance to go to college without mortgaging their futures.

Maybe, no more excuses that blame immigrants for rising costs of health care and instead says, “everyone has a fundamental right to Life and that requires health care.” How about no more excuses for drones and Guantanamo Bay.

If not a speech pushing the nation to move beyond excuses for unjust wars and destructive foreign policies, how about one that connects history, persistent excuses, white denial, and the policy of the future. It could start with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., a Morehouse Man, who wrote,

No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.


No more excuses

National health care

No more excuses

End to war on drugs

No more excuses

End the closure of schools

No more excuses

Fair wages

No more excuses

A just tax system

No more excuses

A speech that doesn’t blame individuals but demands we all be better, starting with the very institutions that govern the nation

Or maybe a speech that just challenged the destructive and harmful rhetoric of demanding that people pull themselves up by their bootstraps: “It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps” (King)

Cruel indeed.
 

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While I don't have an issue with the message on its face I do take issue with where Obama decided to give it. Why did this group of graduating seniors have to be given this speech? Why couldn't he give the Morehouse graduates the exact same speech he gave to the graduates at Ohio State or Arizona State?
Save the "don't use racism as a crutch/work harder/pull yourself up by your bootstraps" speech for the next time you appear at a rally in an inner city with high poverty and crime rates and a low high school gradute/potential college student rate.
 

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Ok, so I'm going to try and condense your argument as much as possible without distorting it.

The point is, the people who this message was directed at didn't take it that way and they are smart, and successful and determined people. To take away what you were initially asserting requires the usage of a certain type of heuristic that skews your perception.

I'll deal with this one first. Honestly, I don't find it compelling. Yes, they were all intelligent college grads, but they're also in the middle of the situation. It's quite easy for one's perception of these things to be colored by the situation at hand- in this case, an emotional graduation ceremony with a speaker of incredible celebrity status and historical importance. Just as you call my view biased, I see no reason to assume that the majority of the students sitting there weren't themselves looking through a very particular set of lenses at it. So let's leave that to the side, and try and focus on comparing the actual statements, so we don't have to try and prove one bias over another, which is pretty much impossible to establish.


As TWISM pointed out, other groups and more diverse groups, like that Michigan graduating class get general platitudes but black people, and in particular black men have always and will always get a more focused message from him. It is careful to the extent that he has to play the political game and general enough to be non-divisive, but specific enough to nail the point home.

I agree- he will always speak with a certain specificity to Black people. But what I find more interesting is that you seem to be conceding that even a speech in this particular forum is not just a specific speech- he is playing the political game. As with any Black-oriented speech, the assumed audience is as much white as Black, and the purpose is as much about the Black demographic as a whole- and indeed, about white America as a whole, as much as it is about the particular situation and subset of the Black community to whom it is given, and it will certainly be given that kind of scrutiny by white Conservatives.

So while I agree that the speech, is primarily about the graduates, I don't think there isn't room to criticize it more generally, too, since it's not just about that.

It is, and I think I already said that it was. Just like how every speech he gives to college kids at predominantly white schools is the same. All these speeches are more or less the same to varying degrees. I fail to see what is so poignant about that assertion.

Well, the assertion is that the tone and content of his speeches to Black folks in general are pretty much the same no matter the context, and they aren't productive. White audiences actually get more specificity and variability in messaging than Black folks do.

What you fail to realize in all your examples is what groups they are being given to. Political organizations, human rights groups and public policy organizations. This is not State of Black America, the NAACP, or anything of the sort. If he gives those speeches there after being reelected right now, then I’m with you... For this group of young black men, he gave them the “succeed in spite of the odds” speech and that rubs you the wrong way because you want him to delve DEEP into issues. Yet, he hasn’t done that at graduations at women's colleges either.

Well, he already gave patronizing speeches with the whole "stop complaining and work hard" message at Black political forums in the past- I see no reason to assume that will change. I also think you're giving him too much of a pass with the "after being reelected" comment- even back in his first term, there was no reason for him to say many of those things. As Coates said in that article, “perhaps they cannot practically receive targeted policy. But surely they have earned something more than targeted scorn.” There's a difference between tact, or avoiding some issues, and the kind of aggressive push to distance oneself from and chastise Black America.

Now, as for the context of my examples- it seems like you're conceding to some extent that Obama needs to address the issues, just in another context, so presumably, you accept that outside of the college speech context, there's a disparity between Obama's messaging to Black folks and Hillary's to women, or even Obama's to women, immigrants, etc. That being said, I think your point about the different contexts is fair, so let's just jump straight into the Barnard speech.


Now, you're right that the Barnard speech and the Morehouse speech are similar in form and content- they both mention, at some point, that there are still problems for both demographics, they both note that many people from those institutions have "overcome" those problems in the past, that the present generation might be poised for success because things are allegedly improving, and tell the graduates to do the same, and to be mentors and role models to the next generation. Yet even then, there are some pretty clear differences. I could just quote all my own points about the difference between Hillary's women speech and this one, with some slight modifications, because they all apply here, too.

1. The Barnard speech actually lists real problems facing women in the US. Whereas the Obama speech refers only once to a general "legacy of slavery and segregation," which, as I said earlier, is a common way to keep the present problems seem like fading residue from the past, and goes no further than that, the Barnard speech actually lists specific, modern, active problems, with specific statistics, whether it's that "insurance companies aren’t allowed to drop your coverage when you need it most or charge women differently from men," or that women "only account for 3 percent of the CEOs at Fortune 500 companies," or that "we’re actually refighting long-settled battles over women’s rights is because women occupy fewer than one in five seats in Congress." Forget even the prospect of Black folks getting a term like "war on women," even though sociologically, there is certainly enough evidence, if we accept a war on women, to accept a war on Black people- at least Obama could acknowledge a specific, active present of systemic issues, even though it's a college speech. Even when he starts to go down that road, bringing up Black people having to work "twice as hard" as other people to get by, he immediately downplays, negates and subsumes it with a with "President Mays put it even better: He said, “Whatever you do, strive to do it so well that no man living and no man dead, and no man yet to be born can do it any better," as if the latter statement about individual mentality has anything to do with needing to work harder for the same results.

2. There isn't a single instance in this speech of Obama telling women to "stop making excuses," that "nobody cares if you suffered some discrimination," that your problems "pale in comparison to the previous generation" or anything of a remotely similar tone. That's a pretty serious difference between the two. He expressed the urgent need to get women educated, into the job market, and into positions of power, and that they had to earn it all by working hard, but he never even approached the assertion that some of them might be making excuses, or wrongly blaming sexism for some of their problems. There's only one implication to be drawn from that difference, and we both know what it is. Indeed, his tone was urgent, but completely encouraging, and littered with examples of modern women who didn't "indulge in self-pity." You might say that as a man, he couldn't go there, but that leads me to the next issue.

3. He did use himself as an example more than once in the Barnard speech- in fact, he talked about the specifics of his own life in this speech more than he did at Morehouse, (not so) strangely. Surely you notice something peculiar about him spending more time relating himself to women than to Black people? In the Morehouse speech, he even makes sure to pull out the old "my job, as President, is to advocate for policies that generate more opportunity for everybody"- you don't see any similar, cautionary, universalist statements in the Barnard speech.


Again, my point is not that Obama shouldn't tell Black people to work hard, or that the world isn't going to give out passes for racist histories, etc. It's about going above and beyond to treat Black people like a toxic demographic, worthy more of stern, or even scornful patronization than of the kinds of identification, support or frank acknowledgement of real problems expressed for other groups. The Morehouse speech isn't itself the problem, or a bigger problem among the other speeches, but it is a symptom of the very same, tired tendencies expressed by Obama in every speech to and about Black folks.
 

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You have a right to define your culture and nationality...you don't have a "right" to "define" your genes and ancestors.

It's not a "symbolic" or "psychological" victory because no matter how many times people say that he's black, everyone knows that he does not share our DNA.

It's like a big joke. Everyone calling this guy something that he isn't, pretending that he's something that he isn't....nobody addressing the elephant in the room. It's actually very condescending....lets make believe that American actually elected a black person, to make African Americans feel good.

And ironically, by us supporting him as "one of us", we've actually given him justification to continue to shyt on our community like this. This dude was raised by some cacs (That used to cross the road when they saw black people, according to him) in Kansas. But we have crowned him as "black" so it's completely okay for him to throw us under the bus every opportunity he gets to score political points with cacs, fags, and spics.

Breh your one of my favorite posters on here but come on with this nonsensical post of yours.

Obama is Black. Deal with it.

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The usual, uniquely patronizing rhetoric. "Nobody is going to give you anything you haven't earned." I guess Black people expect things they haven't earned? Or is it that addressing the legacy of slavery and segregation (always expressed in the past tense, as if there isn't an active status quo reality of discrimination) with actual policy would be equivalent to giving Black people something unearned?
:lupe:

He actually criticized Obama...
 

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Not to toot my own horn or shyt on anybody but have u nikkas ever graduated...? Let alone frm college? The context of readin his speech on a message board scratching ur unwashed nuts versus hearing it live as a motivational reinforcement after 4-5 years of school finally being over is prolly a big difference.

nikka most of the posters here shyt on you both intellectually and financially. Take your ignorant ass elsewhere with this crap.
 

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nikka most of the posters here shyt on you both intellectually and financially. Take your ignorant ass elsewhere with this crap.

already settled this toughguy....

was on tapatalk and thought it was a TLR thread.

fall back u gravediggin bored ass forum dwellin nikka
 
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