so.................ok
im not even sure where you are going with that, but it sounds ridiculous so i wont even ask
led to the creation of arabic culture..... you do know that black africans invented that first right?
so.................ok
im not even sure where you are going with that, but it sounds ridiculous so i wont even ask
so...
led to the creation of arabic culture..... you do know that black africans invented that first right?
it wouldnt follow that black people need to defend islam or arabs, if islam and arabs have been overtaken by other people, in fact it would be quite stupid of black people to do that
Mukasa Afrika Ma'at
Lol haven't even looked him up but these Hotep dudes always the same
He is either from ny, nj, philly or Chicago area
He has a degree in African, pan African, spiritual studies or social services
Very vague background and has written some "go back to Africa" Type nonsense
Has a bunch of
Type videos on YouTube
Works within inner city youthful teaching them useless information about useless topics
Put my account on at least two of these things
well , i'm not defending arabs...... or the actions of any white group.
I wouldn't follow that a black person would defend and support Western Imperialism.
You have been defending Islam for years tho
And yeah I support western imperialism against Arabs and Islam, why wouldn't i
well i've had my genetic makeup for years so
and you defend western imperialism against anything, you're the black captin america.
You're probably upset Tchalla defeated Steven Rogers
http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave
Ronald Segal, in Islam's Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:
Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:
- From 650-1600 CE
- Citing Ralph Austen:
- Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
- Red Sea: 1.6M
- East Africa: 0.8M
- TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
- Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
- 17th Century
- Sahara: 0.7M
- Red Sea: 0.1M
- East Africa: 0.1M
- TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
- 18th C
- Sahara: 0.7M
- Red Sea: 0.2M
- East Africa: 0.4M
- TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
- 19th C
- Sahara: 1.2M
- Red Sea: 0.45M
- East Africa: 0.442M
- TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
- TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:
- 7th C: 0.1M
- 8th C: 0.2M
- 9th C: 0.4M
- 10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
- 14th C: 1.0M
- 15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
- First half 20th C.: 300,000
- TOTAL: 14M shipped
Death Toll
- Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
- Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
- Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
- British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
- Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
- UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
- Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
- Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)
- [MEDIAN of these estimates: 3 to 5 deaths for every 1 live import]
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.
http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave
Ronald Segal, in Islam's Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:
Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:
- From 650-1600 CE
- Citing Ralph Austen:
- Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
- Red Sea: 1.6M
- East Africa: 0.8M
- TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
- Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
- 17th Century
- Sahara: 0.7M
- Red Sea: 0.1M
- East Africa: 0.1M
- TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
- 18th C
- Sahara: 0.7M
- Red Sea: 0.2M
- East Africa: 0.4M
- TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
- 19th C
- Sahara: 1.2M
- Red Sea: 0.45M
- East Africa: 0.442M
- TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
- TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:
- 7th C: 0.1M
- 8th C: 0.2M
- 9th C: 0.4M
- 10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
- 14th C: 1.0M
- 15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
- First half 20th C.: 300,000
- TOTAL: 14M shipped
Death Toll
- Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
- Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
- Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
- British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
- Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
- UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
- Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
- Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)
- [MEDIAN of these estimates: 3 to 5 deaths for every 1 live import]
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.
The fact that it calls the Atlantic slave trade the Christian trade means the book has an agenda and isn't to be trusted.Superb book. We don't have enough like it regarding the subject.
The fact that it calls the Atlantic slave trade the Christian trade means the book has an agenda and isn't to be trusted.
It mostly refers to the Atlantic trade in that book. You're taking it personal breh, referring to it as the Islamic trade only means that this was the slavery practiced within the Islamic world.
my people invented the culture so it might been selloutish to not defend it.........
Mukasa Afrika Ma'at
Lol haven't even looked him up but these Hotep dudes always the same
He is either from ny, nj, philly or Chicago area
He has a degree in African, pan African, spiritual studies or social services
Very vague background and has written some "go back to Africa" Type nonsense
Has a bunch of
Type videos on YouTube
Works within inner city youthful teaching them useless information about useless topics
Put my account on at least two of these things