How the islamic slave trade and arabisation of black lands destroyed Africa by Mukasa Afrika Ma'at

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..............ok

im not even sure where you are going with that, but it sounds ridiculous so i wont even ask
so...

led to the creation of arabic culture..... you do know that black africans invented that first right?
 

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Mukasa Afrika Ma'at

Lol haven't even looked him up but these Hotep dudes always the same
He is either from ny, nj, philly or Chicago area

He has a degree in African, pan African, spiritual studies or social services

Very vague background and has written some "go back to Africa" Type nonsense

Has a bunch of

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Works within inner city youthful teaching them useless information about useless topics

Put my account on at least two of these things
 

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so...

led to the creation of arabic culture..... you do know that black africans invented that first right?

it wouldnt follow that black people need to defend islam or arabs, if islam and arabs have been overtaken by other people, in fact it would be quite stupid of black people to do that
 

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it wouldnt follow that black people need to defend islam or arabs, if islam and arabs have been overtaken by other people, in fact it would be quite stupid of black people to do that

well , i'm not defending arabs...... or the actions of any white group.

I wouldn't follow that a black person would defend and support Western Imperialism.
 

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Mukasa Afrika Ma'at

Lol haven't even looked him up but these Hotep dudes always the same
He is either from ny, nj, philly or Chicago area

He has a degree in African, pan African, spiritual studies or social services

Very vague background and has written some "go back to Africa" Type nonsense

Has a bunch of

3kkpKFo.gif


Type videos on YouTube

Works within inner city youthful teaching them useless information about useless topics

Put my account on at least two of these things

True.

I had to suffer for 6 months when my bm was listening to and rollin w these dudes.......

me n her would debate about a bunch of shyt. and she's say shes on her Ma at shyt so is morally superior, black woman is God.... called herself a queen ...

all this while she wasn't doing queen type shyt, it was that hotep nikkas were feeding her BS because they like people to attend the lectures.
 

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http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

Ronald Segal, in Islam's Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:

  • From 650-1600 CE
    • Citing Ralph Austen:
      • Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
      • Red Sea: 1.6M
      • East Africa: 0.8M
      • TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
    • Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
  • 17th Century
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.1M
    • East Africa: 0.1M
    • TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
  • 18th C
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.2M
    • East Africa: 0.4M
    • TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
  • 19th C
    • Sahara: 1.2M
    • Red Sea: 0.45M
    • East Africa: 0.442M
    • TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
  • TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:

  • 7th C: 0.1M
  • 8th C: 0.2M
  • 9th C: 0.4M
  • 10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
  • 14th C: 1.0M
  • 15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
  • First half 20th C.: 300,000
  • TOTAL: 14M shipped
What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:

  • Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
  • Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
  • Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
  • British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
  • Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
  • UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
  • Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
  • Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)
  • [MEDIAN of these estimates: 3 to 5 deaths for every 1 live import]
Death Toll
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.
 

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well , i'm not defending arabs...... or the actions of any white group.

I wouldn't follow that a black person would defend and support Western Imperialism.

You have been defending Islam for years tho

And yeah I support western imperialism against Arabs and Islam, why wouldn't i
 

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You have been defending Islam for years tho

And yeah I support western imperialism against Arabs and Islam, why wouldn't i


well i've had my genetic makeup for years so:skip:

and you defend western imperialism against anything, you're the black captin america.

You're probably upset Tchalla defeated Steven Rogers:scust:
 

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well i've had my genetic makeup for years so:skip:

and you defend western imperialism against anything, you're the black captin america.

You're probably upset Tchalla defeated Steven Rogers:scust:

I defend western imperialism whenever it suits and whenever it coincides with my views
 

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http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

Ronald Segal, in Islam's Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:

  • From 650-1600 CE
    • Citing Ralph Austen:
      • Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
      • Red Sea: 1.6M
      • East Africa: 0.8M
      • TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
    • Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
  • 17th Century
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.1M
    • East Africa: 0.1M
    • TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
  • 18th C
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.2M
    • East Africa: 0.4M
    • TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
  • 19th C
    • Sahara: 1.2M
    • Red Sea: 0.45M
    • East Africa: 0.442M
    • TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
  • TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:

  • 7th C: 0.1M
  • 8th C: 0.2M
  • 9th C: 0.4M
  • 10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
  • 14th C: 1.0M
  • 15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
  • First half 20th C.: 300,000
  • TOTAL: 14M shipped
What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:

  • Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
  • Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
  • Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
  • British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
  • Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
  • UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
  • Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
  • Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)
  • [MEDIAN of these estimates: 3 to 5 deaths for every 1 live import]
Death Toll
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.

So Cacs managed to enslave more Africans in half the time. Amazing feat.
 

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http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

Ronald Segal, in Islam's Black Slaves, estimates the total number of African slaves shipped to the Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. This breaks down as follows:

  • From 650-1600 CE
    • Citing Ralph Austen:
      • Trans-Saharan: 4,820,000
      • Red Sea: 1.6M
      • East Africa: 0.8M
      • TOTAL: 7.22M shipped
    • Citing Paul Lovejoy: 3.5-10.0M shipped
  • 17th Century
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.1M
    • East Africa: 0.1M
    • TOTAL: 900,000 shipped
  • 18th C
    • Sahara: 0.7M
    • Red Sea: 0.2M
    • East Africa: 0.4M
    • TOTAL: 1,300,000 shipped
  • 19th C
    • Sahara: 1.2M
    • Red Sea: 0.45M
    • East Africa: 0.442M
    • TOTAL: 2,092,000 shipped
  • TOTAL: 11,512,000 shipped
Segal also mentions estimates by Raymond Mauvy:

  • 7th C: 0.1M
  • 8th C: 0.2M
  • 9th C: 0.4M
  • 10th-13th Cs: 2.0M
  • 14th C: 1.0M
  • 15th-19th Cs: 10.0M
  • First half 20th C.: 300,000
  • TOTAL: 14M shipped
What was the mortality rate among these slaves? Here are a few estimates in Segal:

  • Wylde: Each eunuch in Cairo represented 200 dead Sudanese.
  • Hourst, 19th C: each sale represented a loss of ten in the original population, including raids.
  • Livingstone: 1 living = 10 dead.
  • British Govt Rpt: For every 10 slaves reaching 19C Cairo, 50 died on the way.
  • Nachtigal: on one large [typical?] Saharan caravan, 3 or 4 died for every survivor.
  • UK Consul in Zanzibar: 1:1 ratio
  • Mahadi: 20% d. in Saharan trade
  • Lovejoy, citing Martin: 9% overall in 19th C. East Africa. (Segal: safe estimate)
  • [MEDIAN of these estimates: 3 to 5 deaths for every 1 live import]
Death Toll
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3 people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths. Keep in mind that the data is so spotty and the margin of error so wide that we can't honestly or definitively accuse either the Christian or Moslem slave trade of being worse than the other.

Superb book. We don't have enough like it regarding the subject.
 

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The fact that it calls the Atlantic slave trade the Christian trade means the book has an agenda and isn't to be trusted.

It mostly refers to the Atlantic trade in that book. You're taking it personal breh, referring to it as the Islamic trade only means that this was the slavery practiced within the Islamic world.
 

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It mostly refers to the Atlantic trade in that book. You're taking it personal breh, referring to it as the Islamic trade only means that this was the slavery practiced within the Islamic world.

I don't take it personally if it's spoken about in a class room or in real life.

I take it the way it's put out here..... because of the way its put out.
 

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my people invented the culture so it might been selloutish to not defend it.........


What do you mean invented the culture,Islam is a religion not a culture.


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Mukasa Afrika Ma'at

Lol haven't even looked him up but these Hotep dudes always the same
He is either from ny, nj, philly or Chicago area

He has a degree in African, pan African, spiritual studies or social services

Very vague background and has written some "go back to Africa" Type nonsense

Has a bunch of

3kkpKFo.gif


Type videos on YouTube

Works within inner city youthful teaching them useless information about useless topics

Put my account on at least two of these things

Yea I think its mostly an NY,NJ or Philly thing ,cause its a lifestyle there.But thankfullly its not that big in Chicago.
 
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