How the hell did Joe Budden not blow?

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Because he could never follow up the three bangers he had on the self titled debut nikka was reaching for a hit putting out trash like Gangsta Party and Roll Your Backyard....Roll Your Backyard, nikka :beli:. Plus I think dude just is one of those self sabotaging types.
 

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Because he could never follow up the three bangers he had on the self titled debut nikka was reaching for a hit putting out trash like Gangsta Party and Roll Your Backyard....Roll Your Backyard, nikka :beli:. Plus I think dude just is one of those self sabotaging types.

Yeah he did put out some corny club songs after those first three, I'm not gonna lie I though he was back when I heard this shyt





fukk any nikka and anybody that love em who wasnt feeling this track
 
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Joe didnt get blackballed.

Cats like Ali Vegas got blackballed.

Joe's debut was garbage and he didnt have an identity when he dropped.

He's not hot, he's not what the people want.
 

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i thought fire was wack. but i liked his debut. the inhouse production was meh/ amateurish. honestly, his biggest problem has always been his production.
 

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He definitely pissed the wrong dude off, it's pretty obvious. He's been one of the dopest cats out for 10 damn years!

On a side note, remember back when we (I know I ain't the only one!!!) thought he was Rasheed Wallace? I recall that rumor circulating for about a week back in 2001...
 

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bad timing i guess.

I'm a Joe Budden fan but i think his debut wasn't anything special.

now if Pump It Up was in an album like Mood Muzik 2!!!
 

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Bad timing. If he came out now with his mood muzik shyt he would of been good money.
 

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:laff: @ Obarth... no kidding, "Roll Your Backyard" might be the worst song title ever in life.

And that first album had a nice setup- "Focus" got a nice mixtape/mixshow run, "Pump It Up" blew up mainstream/radio (even tho' that video was terrible :heh:)... but it died out after that. I actually believe that the joint with 112 woulda been a good place to go for the next single, but there was some label mix-up shyt that caused "Fire" to be the follow-up, and that joint was :scusthov:

Also, Joe just didn't have it back then. He was the epitome of a mixtape freestyle guy who only did "aight" songs. He had some GREAT songs on that album, but the entire album was hit-and-miss. I was checkin' for him, but I can imagine he seemed kinda generic to a regular listener who just saw the "Pump It Up" video and went off that alone. And then to drop "Fire" as the follow-up just solidified it. I remember tryin' to put people up on him and they all said the same shyt... "naaaaw I don't fukk w/ no Joe Buddens"- most of that coming from the stigma he had as a straight-up party rapper who said OOOONNNNNNNN a lot.

And those singles he was droppin' after that, like "Gangsta Party", "Ya Body's Hot", and "Roll Your Backyard" :laff: even had me questionin' if I should keep listenin' to his shyt. My god. :trash:

He found his niche with the Mood Muzik series tho'. The rest is history.
 

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Didn't make a real statement as an artist

No hype

Hip hop was shifting to crunk

He needed more collaborations between down south and NY
 

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imo, i think joe budden did not blow up.

all because he was a conflict of interest artist.

signed to replace jayz leaving with lyor cohen.

until, jay was offered the ceo position and other amenities to stay at defjam.

which made it so jay did not bail with lyor.

imo, once jay stayed.

budden was a conflict of business interest signee for jay and the payola fund was stopped.

to fund joe budden to the top.

as before when jay was headed out the door with lyor.

joe budden was the beneficiary of an incredible sizeable push to be a superstar jayz replacement biter style artist.

i also believe joe budden's content and skillbase on his mixtape run with dj clue.

was purposefully made to bite jayz directionwise. as clue would have had insider trading.

to know to make or groom an artist to fill the void.

as a replacement at defjam when jayz left.
i also,..believe juelz santana's original debut lp sales and impact.

also suffered from this insider administrative changing of the guard of lyor to jayz, as well.

as juelz was administratively moved to being handled by la reid.

which is why juelz's second album achieved success.

with more buzz and a higher effective self paid for grassroots pr run.

plus a hefty return to reid point wise.

to justify the move to la's portion of the defjam umbrella as well

imo,..joe budden should have also tried to position himself with reid in this time as well.

instead of challenging the machine in a grassroots manner.

where it was obvious once jayz was in a position of power. joe budden was in jayz's sights.

to be remedied and marginalized into and branded a non-draw.

after receiving a significant push that could be traced back to a spreadsheet and not producing a return.

which gave the label cause by simple spreadsheet to shelve joe budden's second album in limbo.

till he could create a substanial grassroots buzz. on par to his skirmish with jay and other battles he had previously. as his grassroots battle campaign significantly worked against him administratively as well.

with the sales spike era all being a lie. built off payola and label bought lp's via outsourcing marketing firms. joe budden just never produced and never knew what to do effectively. with his own publishing dollars rolled into his own self-funded marketing campaigns to be effective in a grassroots manner. to ever succeed, as a grassroots draw in a world of well executed payola, in the sales spike era.

plus, joe budden's efforts unbeknownest to him, pigeon holed his draw.

by his own failed grassroots campaigns like zack ryder in wwe.
so his grassroots campaign made him appear as a lower tier draw and he became what he really was not. as joe budden is really a pop rnb collab type rapper. who should have been at the very least.

a double platinum artist with the right payola in the sales spike era.


the rest is history,.......



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I also don't understand why posters are criticizing Joey's "work ethic".... it seemed like before the slaughterhouse stuff, dude practically lived in the studio.

15 CDs/300+ worth of material doesn't seem like a wack work ethic to me....


Yeah, the work ethic isnt/wasnt the problem.....but when your making 100s of tracks with Soundclick (at best) amateur producers....well then you get albums/mixtapes that are full of poorly mixed hits or misses.

If someone like Alchemist, Just Blaze, JUSTICE League, etc.....took him, and oversaw/exec-produced any of his projects he would be a lot further along with his career
 
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