How the Arab Conquests/Invasions transformed North Africa

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"Pure Arabs" over 10 people in this picture only one of them looks mixed.


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never heard of these people

imma do a thorough research and say my thoughts

i'm open to be proven wrong, i just think its a slippery slope when we try claim everyone history as black
 

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An open question in the history of human migration is the identity of the earliest Eurasian populations that have left contemporary descendants. The Arabian Peninsula was the initial site of the out-of-Africa migrations that occurred between 125,000 and 60,000 yr ago, leading to the hypothesis that the first Eurasian populations were established on the Peninsula and that contemporary indigenous Arabs are direct descendants of these ancient peoples. To assess this hypothesis, we sequenced the entire genomes of 104 unrelated natives of the Arabian Peninsula at high coverage, including 56 of indigenous Arab ancestry. The indigenous Arab genomes defined a cluster distinct from other ancestral groups, and these genomes showed clear hallmarks of an ancient out-of-Africa bottleneck. Similar to other Middle Eastern populations, the indigenous Arabs had higher levels of Neanderthal admixture compared to Africans but had lower levels than Europeans and Asians. These levels of Neanderthal admixture are consistent with an early divergence of Arab ancestors after the out-of-Africa bottleneck but before the major Neanderthal admixture events in Europe and other regions of Eurasia. When compared to worldwide populations sampled in the 1000 Genomes Project, although the indigenous Arabs had a signal of admixture with Europeans, they clustered in a basal, outgroup position to all 1000 Genomes non-Africans when considering pairwise similarity across the entire genome. These results place indigenous Arabs as the most distant relatives of all other contemporary non-Africans and identify these people as direct descendants of the first Eurasian populations established by the out-of-Africa migrations.
 

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i don't do pseudo history
Neither do I.

Just gon drop this here

Yemenite Jews observe a unique religious tradition that distinguishes them from Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardi Jews, and other Jewish groups. They have been described as "the most Jewish of all Jews" and "the ones who have preserved the Hebrew language the best".

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To add on, first, more Yemenite Jews from the same set of pictures taken in 1901. How my son Lloyd get sent back in time to Yemen? :pachaha:


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DescriptionEnglish: Phoenician head,limeston e 10th cent, BC Museo de Cadiz,Spain



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DescriptionFrieze of Archers from the Palace of Darius I in Susa, Achaemenid Persian Period, reign of Darius I, c. 510 BC, Louvre Museum


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DescriptionEnglish: After a long siege, the city of Lachish surrendered and the Assyrian army entered the city. King Sennacherib sits on his royal chair, surrounded by attendants and greets a high-ranking official. The king reviews Judaean prisoners. The cuneiform inscriptions read " Sennacherib, king of the world, king of Assyria sat on a throne and the booty of Lachish passed before him." Wall relief from the South-West Palace at Nineveh (modern-day Ninawa Governorate, Iraq), Mesopotamia. Neo-Assyrian period, 700-692 BCE. The British Museum, London.

 

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MEANWHILE, MOSES MARRIED A BLACK WOMAN

:sas2:

AND THEY STILL CANT SEE WHATS REALLY GOIN ON HERE

I don’t think anyone in the Bible is described as literally “white” at all, unless it’s describing some type of skin disease

In contrast, according to descriptions in the Quran, Muhammad is the epitome of whiteness

But that’s another topic for a different day….. let’s not get derailed :whoa:

This thread is slowly becoming about race, when it’s about colonization and culture:snoop:
 

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WHO SAID ANYTHING BOUT WHITE?

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ARE THESE “WHITE” PEOPLE TO U???



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U THINK MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE WERENT PREVALENT IN EGYPT GIVEN THE REGION??


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What does it matter what race Moses was? Like someone said, it’s not even provable. And these are Bible stories that take believing in anyways. The message is of more importance than the insignificant details like skin color. All that matters is if you believe in God or not. Most people caught up on race don’t even believe the stories 100% let alone understand them. Just ask @MMS :youngsabo:

That said, historically if we go by hieroglyphics, statues, sculptures, Egyptians are closer to black people by todays standards

You can be a “middle eastern” person and still be considered “black” or from African descent

Depends on the definition of black which is fluid these days

We are in USA so most Yemeni are “black” just like Dominicans although they might not claim it.

I remember going to elementary school with one girl for years and everyone assumed she was African American and one day in class the teacher had a discussion on religion where he assumed all the class (black students) was Christian and she said she was Jewish

Everyone looked at her like :mjtf:

Turns out she was Yemeni all along :manny:
 
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An open question in the history of human migration is the identity of the earliest Eurasian populations that have left contemporary descendants. The Arabian Peninsula was the initial site of the out-of-Africa migrations that occurred between 125,000 and 60,000 yr ago, leading to the hypothesis that the first Eurasian populations were established on the Peninsula and that contemporary indigenous Arabs are direct descendants of these ancient peoples. To assess this hypothesis, we sequenced the entire genomes of 104 unrelated natives of the Arabian Peninsula at high coverage, including 56 of indigenous Arab ancestry. The indigenous Arab genomes defined a cluster distinct from other ancestral groups, and these genomes showed clear hallmarks of an ancient out-of-Africa bottleneck. Similar to other Middle Eastern populations, the indigenous Arabs had higher levels of Neanderthal admixture compared to Africans but had lower levels than Europeans and Asians. These levels of Neanderthal admixture are consistent with an early divergence of Arab ancestors after the out-of-Africa bottleneck but before the major Neanderthal admixture events in Europe and other regions of Eurasia. When compared to worldwide populations sampled in the 1000 Genomes Project, although the indigenous Arabs had a signal of admixture with Europeans, they clustered in a basal, outgroup position to all 1000 Genomes non-Africans when considering pairwise similarity across the entire genome. These results place indigenous Arabs as the most distant relatives of all other contemporary non-Africans and identify these people as direct descendants of the first Eurasian populations established by the out-of-Africa migrations.

So basically ARAB = Mixed people.

People without a pure RACE

So in todays society there can be referred to Afro Arabs and EURO Arabs

There is no “PURE” Arab race

Arab is just a word to label these people.

Jewish is just a label to separate themselves (Jews) from the other Arabs around them who don’t believe in the same God or practice the same religious customs

Ok issue resolved. No more race talk :beli:
 

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So basically ARAB = Mixed people.

People without a pure RACE

So in todays society there can be referred to Afro Arabs and EURO Arabs

There is no “PURE” Arab race

Arab is just a word to label these people.

Jewish is just a label to separate themselves (Jews) from the other Arabs around them who don’t believe in the same God or practice the same religious customs

Ok issue resolved. No more race talk :beli:

'Race' is pseudoscientific nonsense.
The Arabs are not a distinct ethnic group, since there are both white Arabs and black arabs. Some of the black Sudanese Arabs claim descent ln the male line from Arabs of Mohammed's time, and may well be correct in their claim. Nor is language a sufficient criterion of Arabness since there are many Arabic-speaking jews who are not normally called Arabs. The figure of a hundred million come from the populations of the states in the Arab League. For membership ln the Arab League the primary criterion appears to be language: but, despite the presence of Lebanon, which is half Christian, this tends to be coupled with the acceptance of Arab-Islamic culture.

Modern Arab intellectuals are well aware of the difficulty in defining an Arab. As long ago as December, 1938, a conference of Arab students in Europe, held in Brussels, declared that "all who are Arab in their language, culture and loyalty (or "national feeling") are Arabs." Some of the same intellectuals, however, have spoken of the present disunity of the Arabs as the result of European imperialism during the last century or more. It does not take much knowledge of history to demonstrate that is a complete misconception
 

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Because Yahweh made specific promises to his nation. If you believe in the Bible, this figures significantly in the end-times.

It matters to those who believe. :yeshrug:

Believe what exactly? :leon:

Are we in the end times?:patrice:

Every generation before has thought this and died believing this

This type of mentality is irrelevant to the here and now and the purpose of the Bible (if you believe in it)

All that matters is if you believe in Jesus or not.

The promise of “Yahweh” was fulfilled in Jesus

knowing his descendants/people/tribe (or Davidic line) is how Jews and we know he’s the messiah. And that’s the part of gods promise that matters most otherwise Jews wouldn’t STILL be waiting for the “messiah”.

There’s no point in talking about race, genealogy or “nations” after this….unless you are JEWISH or MUSLIMS

You’re focusing on and thinking about prophecies you probably won’t even live to see it fulfilled honestly

But I see what you mean:manny:
 

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What does it matter what race Moses was? Like someone said, it’s not even provable. And these are Bible stories that take believing in anyways. The message is of more importance than the insignificant details like skin color. All that matters is if you believe in God or not. Most people caught up on race don’t even believe the stories 100% let alone understand them. Just ask @MMS :youngsabo:

That said, historically if we go by hieroglyphics, statues, sculptures, Egyptians are closer to black people by todays standards

You can be a “middle eastern” person and still be considered “black” or from African descent

Depends on the definition of black which is fluid these days

We are in USA so most Yemeni are “black” just like Dominicans although they might not claim it.

I remember going to elementary school with one girl for years and everyone assumed she was African American and one day in class the teacher had a discussion on religion where he assumed all the class (black students) was Christian and she said she was Jewish

Everyone looked at her like :mjtf:

Turns out she was Yemeni all along :manny:


I HAVE YEMENI FAMILY … THEY ARE DEFINITELY DARKER JEWS, BUT DONT FALL UNDER “BLACK” BY TODAYS DEFINITION

BUT YEA, LIKE U SAID.. RACE DOESNT MATTER BIBLICALLY. ITS LITERALLY A MAN MADE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT USED TO SEPARATE PEOPLE BASED ON NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE… BIBLICALLY, THE EMPHASIS WAS ALWAYS ON NATIONS, NOT SKIN TONE

THE REASON THE DIVERSITY IN COLOR IS BEING NOTED IS DUE TO THE WEIRDOS WHO TRY TO CLAIM THAT MANY OF TODAYS JEWS ARENT JEWISH DUE TO COLOR.

THERE WERE 12 DISTINCT TRIBES, SO IT DOESNT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS DIVERSITY EVEN WITHIN THE ISRAELITES.

SAME WITH EGYPT.
 

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never heard of these people

imma do a thorough research and say my thoughts

i'm open to be proven wrong, i just think its a slippery slope when we try claim everyone history as black
You're absolutely right breh, it is and I wouldn't do that.
 

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Because Yahweh made specific promises to his nation. If you believe in the Bible, this figures significantly in the end-times.

It matters to those who believe. :yeshrug:
but the term "end times" and "end of days"

is explicitly associated with Jacob.

Thats why when it says "Balak saw all that Israel did to the Amorites" is actually a judgment on gender.

Genesis 45:1

45 Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.

Genesis 49:1-2

1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

but if they do not gather together :umad:

Genesis 1:9
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

dryness is a plague :wow:
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the Yemenis are technically the original Arabs

The pure Arabs are the Qahtanis
In Islamic tradition, Hagar found a well (modern day Makkah) and a tribe (Jurhum) found her and her son Ismail in the middle of the desert near the well.


This tribe came from Yemen. Yemen since king Solomon days would be considered black in todays context.

You can also see these original Arabs in Modern day Oman.

I thought so as well. The documentary I watched tried to paint them as immigrants but I couldn't agree with that. Thanks for the information too!
 
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