How the Arab Conquests/Invasions transformed North Africa

LuuqMaan

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“Arab” is not a people, it’s an ideology, movement and way of life that was adopted by the warriors and leaders who ruled those empires.

And yea it didn’t even begin with “Muhammad” but he allegedly wrote the handbook on anti blackness which influenced what would become the “Arab world”.

Christianity didn’t flourish when Jesus was alive either. He only had 12 followers. :manny:
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And there we have it folks.
The most consistent weirdo islamophobe couldn’t help himself and turned the thread to anti Islam as usual.

Thread could’ve been informative with history but this is all he wanted to do.

Insert Jesus vs everyone else
 

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1 - From some of the studies I have seen before, ancient Egypt(ANCIENT, from the beginning, not Ptolemaic-Greek or Roman Egyptians that Cacs try to pass as eras close to the beginning of Egypt) was originally a place consisting of Nilo-Saharan, Nilotic and Cushytic(These Cushytic were already a mix of ancient Nilotic with ancient Levantine) speaking people. These people eventually mixed for many generations, creating a new group of their own. These were the founders of ancient Egypt that were later invaded by a range of different groups. The change didn't start with Arab invasions. It started way back.

1.1 But all this situation is funny because Cacs used to say that the true ancient Egyptians were Copts and spoke a coptic language. However, Copts are a recent group, developed after the introduction of Christianity into Egypt. I mean, Nabta Playa dates to 7500 BC, showing affinity to Nilo-Saharan speakers but heavily admixed Copts(ethnoreligious group born out of 1st Century AD Christianity) are the ancient Egyptians?

:stopitslime::mjlol:


2 - Also, some more context is needed:

2.1 Berbers were not really related to ancient Egyptians. And today, they are mostly mulattoes ruled by Arabs and Turkish descendants. Some Jewish descent rulers too, because some Jews that were expelled from Iberia ended up in the Maghreb. Anyways, true berbers are not close to white. They are mostly brown like Tuaregs PS: Funny, even Gaddafi(described by many as a true Berber) was an Arab descendant. He was a Qadhadhfa, an Ashraf Arab tribe, related to Bedouin nomads from Arabia.

2.2 Originally, Berbers came to exist from a mix of ancient native black Saharans(that lived in the region during the Green Sahara period), ancient Levantines and also ancient Southern Europeans. Plus, they have constantly received Middle Eastern DNA through multiple conquests. From Phoenicians to Ottoman Turks and even modern Arab rule in places like Morocco. PS:To this day, in places like Morocco they are still ruled by an Arab dynasty, called the Alawi/Alaouite dynasty, that immigrated from Saudi Arabia to Morocco and has been ruling them since the 17th century.
So, the idea of grouping "Ancient North Africa" into one and also projecting it to modern populations in North Africa is just Cac nonsense.


I seriously don't care much about North Africa or even Egypt, since the northern part of Africa is one of the most conquered regions in history but yeah, I don't think the video is entirely correct.



PS: The picture above gives you a good perspective of the multiple changes that happened in the North, specifically Egypt. And it is missing some. For instance, it doesn't even include the Nubian rule or the fact that most rulers from 1952 - Present haven't been really Egyptians. They have been mostly Arab descendants, with some Albanian elites still controlling important sectors. I think the only somewhat native ruler since 1952 was Anwar el-Sadat. Modern Egypt is an Albanian project.

Also, I seriously wonder how Cacs will spin most of their traditional lies about history. Archaeology is starting to receive a lot of funding and attention. And right now, they are too deep into their lies. Also, I think that archaeology will end up proving that African oral history has been more reliable and consistent than "I'm white and I say so" writings.

They're slick with it because they'll say the Copts are the same people that have always been in the region but, they're forgetting to mention that 10 BC, while very old, is not the same thing as 3000 BC or 2000 BC. They also ignore the mounds of evidence (DNA, migration patterns, oral history) that point to East Africa as the place of origin.

Second bolded. Agreed.

Third bolded. Cacs are gonna pretend like they never argued tooth and nail about North Africa not having black origins. The gaslighting will be monumental. They'll probably shift to saying that even if the Egyptians were black/mixed-black/black adjacent, AfAms had no connection to it being as we're West African.
 

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That’s a really complicated question. Like asking where do “white people” come from.

I ask myself what are “Arabs” all the time. :manny:

There was a time before “Arabic” so at some point in history “Arabs” became a thing….. but what do I know. I’m just a college dropout :yeshrug:

You're good 😊
 

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And there we have it folks.
The most consistent weirdo islamophobe couldn’t help himself and turned the thread to anti Islam as usual.

Thread could’ve been informative with history but this is all he wanted to do.

Insert Jesus vs everyone else

The thread is about the Arab influence in North Africa

We can’t talk about the history of the region without mentioning Arabs, Muslims and Islam

Sorry that you’re insecure about the history of your people/religion

Should I censor myself because of your feelings?

I think the topic is complex and interesting why would I be afraid to talk about :what:

It’s being discussed everywhere else on the internet.



If I’m wrong, just educate me on what it means to be “Arab” in your opinion and more particularly how someone like Dr Umar should reconcile “arabness” with blackness as a Black Muslim.
 

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Muhammad wrote the book of anti blackness? please share with me and do not send me hadith quotes.

It contains passages and teachings that can be interpreted as “anti black” by the reader and reflects the culture of the time

It’s really an overall theme but a simple google search will give you examples such as:

concerning the dream of the Prophet (ﷺ) in Medina: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a. I interpreted that as (a symbol of) the epidemic of Medina being transferred to Mahai'a, namely, Al-Juhfa."

The Quran says that people who will go to heaven will turn white and that people who will go to hell will turn black (Surah 3:106 - Surah 3:107). On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve [i.e., reject faith] after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject.

Muhammad analogized Satan's appearance to that of a black man. Ibn Ishaq, p. 243: 'Whoever wants to see Satan, let him look at Nabal b. al-Harith!' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.

Muhammad owned black slaves and valued them less than white/ Arab slaves. Sunan an-Nasa'i, The Book of Financial Transactions, 4625: A slave came and gave his pledge to the Messenger of Allah to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said: 'Sell him to me.' So he bought him for two black slaves, then he did not accept the pledge of anyone after that until he asked: 'Is he a slave?'

I’d feel uncomfortable reading these verses as a Muslim but that’s just me

Some others might not have a problem. And they could even interpret it differently. But it’s there undeniably

I don’t like it. Am I allowed to say it this? :leon:

This is my perspective….. but what do I know? And im not a Muslim so it’s not my problem :manny:
 

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The thread is about the Arab influence in North Africa

We can’t talk about the history of the region without mentioning Arabs, Muslims and Islam

Sorry that you’re insecure about the history of your people/religion
:mjlol:
I’d accept this from anyone else
But your deep obsession for Islam in this forum is a bit crazy.

Every single thread of yours has some strange relation to Islam which then turns into affection to Jesus.

You can praise Jesus all you want without needing to insert Islam in everything
 

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I’d accept this from anyone else
But your deep obsession for Islam in this forum is a bit crazy.

Every single thread of yours has some strange relation to Islam which then turns into affection to Jesus.

You can praise Jesus all you want without needing to insert Islam in everything

All my threads generally revolve around black history, religion, basketball and music

Seems well balanced to me :manny:

Would you prefer I make endless threads about Pawgs or P DIDDY? :russ:

Threads go where people take it. I just respond to the comments directed to me.

You just seem to focus on what triggers you and ironically that is Jesus (I wonder why) because I don’t anyone’s mention him until now.

If you’re Muslim you should be honored I’m interested in your religion :salute:

I’m not obsessed with islam (what is “Islam” anyways? :jbhmm:).

Like most history scholars I’m obsessed with learning about a part of the world and culture I know little about and period in history that often gets overlooked despite having the most impact we have on the world today

The media today talks non stop about Muslims (Palestinians) and Islam. Are you mad at that?

It’s the world we live in. Deal with it :yeshrug:
 
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White people like playing games. They always over-exaggerate any non-black influence and diminish any black influence.

Being passionate about history helped me a lot. And through history, one of the 1st things I noticed was that Cac propaganda has heavily relied on compressing history in order to make it easier to disseminate their lies. And through this compression is how they are able to exacerbate or falsify influences into native African concepts. With one of the main compression terms being "Sub-Saharan Africa".

To start, so-called Sub-Saharan Africa is extremely huge and extremely diverse. From Niger-Congo groups to Afro-Asiatic groups. For instance, in West Africa, the largest group, Hausa, are Afro-Asiatic.
2nd, so-called Sub-Saharans or black people lived and still live in the Sahara. Dhar Tichitt was developed in the Sahara. And even the ancestors of Bantu are said to come from the Saharan part of Niger, around the time of the Kiffian culture in Gobero. We also have enough proof that Lake Mega-Chad existed(most of it being into the heart of the Sahara) and that it was occupied by black people for thousands of years.

Sub-Saharan is a way to compress history and apply generalizations.

North Africans originally were Black. The Sahara Desert was an oasis 7,000 years ago. Black Africans would have been traveling up and down and across from coast to coast. So why wouldn't these people have been black? There were no "barriers" then. Everyone would have been a similar skin complexion. Then the Sahara dried at some time between 7,000 BC to 5,000 BC and some Africans went to the Nile River, some to the Niger River, some to the Mediterranean Coast. Then you account for some White European back migration. Then for Middle Easterners when they came with the spread of Islam. Then you account for the fourth group which was the mixed offspring of all these people. And you get the range of phenotypes you have there now. I remember looking on Wikipedia at North African mummies and a whole heap of them mofos had E Haplogroups. I brought this up on Reddit and some racist cacs tried to pretend like it wasn't indicative of race. Like they could've still been Middle Eastern :heh: The wide, wide, wide majority of the time if you have an E Haplogroup, it means you originate directly from East Africa.

Not just that. Studies have also shown that black people from West Africa crossed into Europe in multiple waves. 11,000 years ago and also 4,000 years ago. How will Cacs spin this and adapt into their historical lies?

"Here, we provide evidence of much older gene flow from Africa to Iberia by sequencing whole genomes from four human remains from northern Portugal and southern Spain dated around 4000 years BP (from the Middle Neolithic to the Bronze Age). We found one of them to carry an unequivocal sub-Saharan mitogenome of most probably West or West-Central African origin, to our knowledge never reported before in prehistoric remains outside Africa. Our analyses of ancient nuclear genomes show small but significant levels of sub-Saharan African affinity in several ancient Iberian samples, which indicates that what we detected was not an occasional individual phenomenon, but an admixture event recognizable at the population level."

"Ancient people from sub-Saharan Africa may have crossed the Strait of Gibraltar into current-day Spain 1300 years earlier than we thought. A genetic analysis of human samples is the first evidence of such a migration in prehistoric times."


"As early as 11,000 years ago, Sub-Saharan West Africans, bearing macrohaplogroup L (e.g., L1b1a11, L1b1a6a, L1b1a8, L1b1a9a1, L2a1k, L3d1b1a), may have migrated through North Africa and into Europe, mostly into southern Europe (e.g., Iberia)."
 
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And there we have it folks.
The most consistent weirdo islamophobe couldn’t help himself and turned the thread to anti Islam as usual.

Thread could’ve been informative with history but this is all he wanted to do.

Insert Jesus vs everyone else

What high level fukkery is going on in here ? LMAO i'M LEGIT TEARS

Damn don't tell me this forum is like this on the daily
 
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