How overrated is the "Spurs are fundamentally sound" mantra?

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The Unappreciated Playground Genius Of The San Antonio Spurs

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The Unappreciated Playground Genius Of The San Antonio Spurs

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Last night in San Antonio, the Oklahoma City Thunder were the sum of their parts. It was a pretty good sum, even. The Thunder were solid on the glass against the Spurs; they lit it up from three-point range; they earned plenty of points at the free-throw line. Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden went a combined, balanced 30-for-54 from the field and 22-for-26 from the line. Oklahoma City showed steel and persistence and tactical shamelessness, going to the Hack-a-Tiago Splitter gambit to break San Antonio's momentum and ruin Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's late-third-quarter rotation plans.
And nevertheless, the Thunder got slaughtered.
What does that make these San Antonio Spurs? For a while, in the third quarter, the Spurs were playing basketball as some sort of unified, all-devouring superorganism, a collective consciousness stretching all the way from baseline to baseline. The Thunder would make a perfectly sound-looking foray into the paint, for what ought to have been a high-percentage shot, and suddenly big bodies and long arms would come together in a palisade around the rim. The Spurs would bat a rebound in the air, and bat it again, the white uniforms spreading out and moving on the attack without hesitating to see whether the ball was under control yet. The ball would be under control.
It was like seeing the second-term Chicago Bulls: a few defensive stops, Scottie Pippen nonchalantly spotting up at the top of the key for a three-pointer or two, and there would be a 12-0 run.
You see the ineffable, and the urge is to talk about the abstract and the inhuman. So: yes, teamwork. Yes, spacing. Yes, ball movement. What a system the Spurs are playing!
But then there's Manu Ginobili. San Antonio's player of the game yesterday was Tony Parker, unquestionably—a game-high 34 points, from all over the floor, with eight assists. Even so, the two plays above, the plays that defined the game, were Ginobili's.
The first one comes with the Spurs in excelsis, leading by 17 in the third, running out four-on-three after a defensive stop. Ginobili catches a pass from Parker, in perfect position for a three-point attempt from the right wing. Instead of shooting, he pump-fakes, draws Harden over to defend him, starts driving toward the lane—and then whips a behind-the-back pass to Parker, who is alone in the right corner. All alone, as alone as a player can be without being on a breakaway. Ginobili's move has cleared out the entire right-hand half of the court. As Parker squares up, the other nine players are spectators. The lead goes to 20.
Sure, that's unselfish ball movement. It's also playground filigree. Now the other play: fourth quarter, the Thunder within 8. Oklahoma City has dug in and made it a bit of a game, thwarting the Spurs' hopes of simply annihilating them in a blast of white light and white noise. San Antonio looks grumpy and a little out of sorts.
So Ginobili launches a one-man assault on the lane, slipping by Harden, heading straight at Durant, and then jumping sideways, holding the ball through the top of his jump, still holding it on his way down, and finally launching a push shot from somewhere near his ear. The ball hits the back rim like a beanbag and plops through the hoop.
Technically, Ginobili's foot comes down before the ball leaves his hand. Kobe does that too, sometimes. Occasionally the game's greatest athletes maneuver themselves around the letter of the rulebook. Feel free to disapprove. Also feel free to try to hit that shot yourself, legally or illegally, over Kevin Durant.
And the unlawful landing only affirms what a breathtaking garbage shot it is. It's a garbage shot the way Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain" was a piece of plumbing equipment. Sure, you have to be disciplined and focused to win 31 out of 33 games, and 20 in a row in the playoffs. You also have to be ridiculously good at playing basketball.

biggest over-analysis of one on one performances i have ever read.

no one is depreciating what those two cats bring to the table as one on one players. being able to take what the can do off the dribble to create within an offense is what makes this team special.

Typical Spurs Sequence:

*Parker dribbles to top of key*

*Duncan sets pick on defending PG*

*Parker makes dribble move. Drives to FT line. Kicks it to Green in corner*

*Green makes extra pass to Ginobli*

*Ginobli takes wide open three or decides to drive on defending closing in*


all the while people are moving around to either get in position for a rebound or getting to a spot where the defense has to close on them and not be able to help on defense. thats just smart offensive execution.
 

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I guess it is tied to how the basll moves around, which I already.

But I think people underrate how athletic and freakish some of their players are.

People think these are the same OLD Spurs and that isn't a fact. They are one of the younger teams age wise and they play more uptempo than in the past. They are athletic, but the fundamental talk is more so a reflection on how well coached they are. I have grown to respect Pop so much as a coach. I thought he lucked into the twin towers, but he actually is good at what he does and they have a GREAT organization (which iswhat you need to win)
 

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People think these are the same OLD Spurs and that isn't a fact. They are one of the younger teams age wise and they play more uptempo than in the past. They are athletic, but the fundamental talk is more so a reflection on how well coached they are. I have grown to respect Pop so much as a coach. I thought he lucked into the twin towers, but he actually is good at what he does and they have a GREAT organization (which iswhat you need to win)

I remember in the beginning of the season parker was on a 3 on 2 fast break, and instead of running it into the whole he took it back and tried to slow the tempo. Pop sat him down and started flailing his arms forward telling him to attack attack. The tempo we are playing at this year is much faster and complicating then last years although our offense was atop the league last year also.
 

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SINCE WHEN HAVE I BEEN A KNICKS FAN?

I have ZERO HISTORY of ever being one.

What the hell?

OK then, what team are you a fan of then?

just out of curiosity, because from what I can recall you were always down for the Knicks on SOHH
 
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