How overrated is the "Spurs are fundamentally sound" mantra?

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otherwise you become the Indiana Pacers


but I think the point of this thread is not about team and spacing, its about those two players doing things that are not exactly "fundamental"

its not a critique of those players, its a critique of the media's coverage of them.

Its a pretty unnecessary critique. The media is highlighting what everyone is talking about here, nobody is saying Parker and Ginobli arent highly skilled.
 

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Ok...but what Gino and TP do is not fundamentally sound. You can't teach another player to do what it is that they do. They're gifted.

which is why when you mention the fundamentals of the Spurs, its mostly mention as a team and not the individual players.

i see what you're saying and understand the point in the thread. but its somewhat off base becuz we know what analyst really mean when they mention it.


put it like this, i dont think about they're individual play.
 

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As many other have pointed out hey move the ball extremely well and play great team basketball. Manu and Tony are great one on one players but the team isn't dependent on them to get theirs one on one or spoon feed their teammates all the time like the Thunder are with their big 3 or the Heat are with Bron and Wade.
 

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I wouldn't call it overrated. Especially when you have other NBA players commenting on how great it is to watch how the Spurs move the ball around and how they enjoy how fundamentally sound they are as a team. It's not just the media pushing that agenda.

Yes they have some talented individual players but they mainly get there's by running the offense and knowing the right spots to be in to attack.
 

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The Unappreciated Playground Genius Of The San Antonio Spurs

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The Unappreciated Playground Genius Of The San Antonio Spurs

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Last night in San Antonio, the Oklahoma City Thunder were the sum of their parts. It was a pretty good sum, even. The Thunder were solid on the glass against the Spurs; they lit it up from three-point range; they earned plenty of points at the free-throw line. Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden went a combined, balanced 30-for-54 from the field and 22-for-26 from the line. Oklahoma City showed steel and persistence and tactical shamelessness, going to the Hack-a-Tiago Splitter gambit to break San Antonio's momentum and ruin Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's late-third-quarter rotation plans.
And nevertheless, the Thunder got slaughtered.
What does that make these San Antonio Spurs? For a while, in the third quarter, the Spurs were playing basketball as some sort of unified, all-devouring superorganism, a collective consciousness stretching all the way from baseline to baseline. The Thunder would make a perfectly sound-looking foray into the paint, for what ought to have been a high-percentage shot, and suddenly big bodies and long arms would come together in a palisade around the rim. The Spurs would bat a rebound in the air, and bat it again, the white uniforms spreading out and moving on the attack without hesitating to see whether the ball was under control yet. The ball would be under control.
It was like seeing the second-term Chicago Bulls: a few defensive stops, Scottie Pippen nonchalantly spotting up at the top of the key for a three-pointer or two, and there would be a 12-0 run.
You see the ineffable, and the urge is to talk about the abstract and the inhuman. So: yes, teamwork. Yes, spacing. Yes, ball movement. What a system the Spurs are playing!
But then there's Manu Ginobili. San Antonio's player of the game yesterday was Tony Parker, unquestionably—a game-high 34 points, from all over the floor, with eight assists. Even so, the two plays above, the plays that defined the game, were Ginobili's.
The first one comes with the Spurs in excelsis, leading by 17 in the third, running out four-on-three after a defensive stop. Ginobili catches a pass from Parker, in perfect position for a three-point attempt from the right wing. Instead of shooting, he pump-fakes, draws Harden over to defend him, starts driving toward the lane—and then whips a behind-the-back pass to Parker, who is alone in the right corner. All alone, as alone as a player can be without being on a breakaway. Ginobili's move has cleared out the entire right-hand half of the court. As Parker squares up, the other nine players are spectators. The lead goes to 20.
Sure, that's unselfish ball movement. It's also playground filigree. Now the other play: fourth quarter, the Thunder within 8. Oklahoma City has dug in and made it a bit of a game, thwarting the Spurs' hopes of simply annihilating them in a blast of white light and white noise. San Antonio looks grumpy and a little out of sorts.
So Ginobili launches a one-man assault on the lane, slipping by Harden, heading straight at Durant, and then jumping sideways, holding the ball through the top of his jump, still holding it on his way down, and finally launching a push shot from somewhere near his ear. The ball hits the back rim like a beanbag and plops through the hoop.
Technically, Ginobili's foot comes down before the ball leaves his hand. Kobe does that too, sometimes. Occasionally the game's greatest athletes maneuver themselves around the letter of the rulebook. Feel free to disapprove. Also feel free to try to hit that shot yourself, legally or illegally, over Kevin Durant.
And the unlawful landing only affirms what a breathtaking garbage shot it is. It's a garbage shot the way Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain" was a piece of plumbing equipment. Sure, you have to be disciplined and focused to win 31 out of 33 games, and 20 in a row in the playoffs. You also have to be ridiculously good at playing basketball.
 

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Fundamentally-sound and athletic are not mutually exclusive ideas though.. plus it's more a description of the team as a whole, not what two of its best players do from time to time
 
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