How many of y’all believe in god

[SNG]

God is all powerful and all knowing, no?

Yes indeed he is. But if you don’t believe or have faith in him and you don’t want to have a relationship with him that’s on you. You got 90 - 100 years in this life to figure out how to reach back to your soul if you lucky.

 

[Guizmo]

God Almighty exist, he is the King of all things, all knowing. He created everything. Every living things depends on him. To Him we belong, to Him we will return to face His judgment.

 

[Vandelay]

Yes indeed he is. But if you don’t believe or have faith in him and you don’t want to have a relationship with him that’s on you. You got 90 - 100 years in this life to figure out how to reach back to your soul if you lucky.

My soul is immaterial for this convo.

So if he is all powerful and all knowing, why does he permit the suffering that exists? It'd be much easier to let us chill in the garden, frolic around naked with Eve, and eat all the apples we want, no?

 

[SNG]

My soul is immaterial for this convo.

So if he is all powerful and all knowing, why does he permit the suffering that exists? It'd be much easier to let us chill in the garden, frolic around naked with Eve, and eat all the apples we want, no?

Because suffering is apart life and builds you spiritually matter of fact this is usually the time he wants you to seek him. He made his own son suffer for the greater good. Besides most humans suffer from there own dentriment which is all apart of free will. The free will of one individual if they persist in doing negative to others can create traumas and other negatives for others which can contribute to one’s suffering. This is why god says we are all connected. Maybe if humans decided to be better with each other there would be less suffering.

 

[MikelArteta]

I believe in God with all my heart. There are situations in my life I knew if not for God and God alone

 

[Vandelay]

Because suffering is apart life and builds you spiritually matter of fact this is usually the time he wants you to seek him. He made his own son suffer for the greater good. Besides most humans suffer from there own dentriment which is all apart of free will. The free will of one individual if they persist in doing negative to others can create traumas and other negatives for others which can contribute to one’s suffering. This is why god says we are all connected. Maybe if humans decided to be better with each there would be less suffering.

Making someone go through a process of suffering that very often, people don't come out on the other side of it, if he's all knowing and all powerful, why do all of this? He knows the outcome already.

 

[MikelArteta]

My soul is immaterial for this convo.

So if he is all powerful and all knowing, why does he permit the suffering that exists? It'd be much easier to let us chill in the garden, frolic around naked with Eve, and eat all the apples we want, no?

God gave humans free will — the ability to choose love, but also the ability to choose selfishness, violence, destruction. Suffering, in this view, is the byproduct of freedom.

This life is just a blip, I'm sure most of here are 30s, 40s. And i'm sure we can remember like 10-20-25 years ago and it doesn't even feel that long. Now just imagine 10-20-25 years from now if God willing we are alive it will be blur and we will be 50,60,70s we will have to deal with the pain of losing parents, grandparents but it's life. This is fleeting focus on the things unseen. This life is nothing breh

 

[Vandelay]

God gave humans free will — the ability to choose love, but also the ability to choose selfishness, violence, destruction. Suffering, in this view, is the byproduct of freedom.

This life is just a blip, I'm sure most of here are 30s, 40s. And i'm sure we can remember like 10-20-25 years ago and it doesn't even feel that long. Now just imagine 10-20-25 years from now if God willing we are alive it will be blur and we will be 50,60,70s we will have to deal with the pain of losing parents, grandparents but it's life. This is fleeting focus on the things unseen. This life is nothing breh

It's not free will if God is all knowing and all powerful.

Free will is an illusion for humans.

 

[SNG]

Making someone go through a process of suffering that very often, people don't come out on the other side of it, if he's all knowing and all powerful, why do all of this?

Well suffering can vary to each person and usually why people don’t come out on the other side is because they don’t have faith in him to help him walk you through it. Most people come to him when they are rock bottom and there’s testimony’s out there of people saying that god helped them over come their misery.

 

[SNG]

It's not free will if God is all knowing and all powerful.

Free will is an illusion for humans.

How is free will an illusion? and just because he’s knowing and powerful we mistake the power of his forgiveness when humans do the most heinous stuff to each other.

 

[Vandelay]

Well suffering can vary to each person and usually why people don’t come out on the other side is because they don’t have faith in him to help him walk you through it. Most people come to him when they are rock bottom and there’s testimony’s out there of people saying that god helped them over come their misery.

How is free will an illusion?

I appreciate the attempt. This isn't productive. Free will does not exist with all powerful entities. They know all and can do all. There is no need for rules or a code for living if there is an entity that can undo or change all of that.

I don't not believe in a God. I think we're in a universal terrarium, and he pushed the first domino.

 

[SNG]

I appreciate the attempt. This isn't productive. Free will does not exist with all powerful entities. They know all and can do all. There is no need for rules or a code for living if there is an entity that can undo or change all of that.

I don't not believe in a God. I think we're in a universal terrarium, and he pushed the first domino.

If you remove all the rules and the codes. Energy still remains. If you give a person 20 dollars from your heart and then say they have a beautiful soul they will feel good about themselves if you rob someone of 20 dollars and tell them there a piece of shyt they aren’t going to feel that good about the situation.

So yea remove rules and codes but energy still remains.

 

[Vandelay]

If you remove all the rules and the codes. Energy still remains. If you give a person 20 dollars from your heart and then say they have a beautiful soul they will feel good about themselves if you rob someone of 20 dollars and tell them there a piece of shyt they aren’t going to feel that good about the situation.

So yea remove rules and codes but energy still remains.

This logic works for you.

It doesn't for me.

I know that's the point of faith.

But that faith has to make sense, and I'm not talking about having all of the answers. There's other ways to bring people on a journey for faith, resilience, and knowledge without having to be subject to someone else's shortcomings, inconsistency, and malevolence.

 

[SNG]

This logic works for you.

It doesn't for me.

I know that's the point of faith.

But that faith has to make sense, and I'm not talking about having all of the answers. There's other ways to bring people on a journey for faith, resilience, and knowledge without having to be subject to someone else's shortcomings, inconsistency, and malevolence.

Fair enough

And your right you are your own individual and soul so God comes at you in ways your own soul understands. Some people may have to go through shortcomings, inconsistency and malevolence to become a believer. Because through that trauma the only way is too look up.

 

[CobaltBlue]

It's not free will if God is all knowing and all powerful.

Free will is an illusion for humans.

Who’s making your choices for you?