How many black people work for Vice/Noisey/Complex/SPIN/Rolling Stone? (UPDATE :BUZZFEED included)

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Yeah it's fukked up.

Haven't posted at length in this thread, but over the past two years I've been freelancing, writing about Hip-Hop, and it's a tough path. For me in particular I see how fukked up the game is, especially because I try to frame my articles in a larger social context. I'm not interested in writing about superficial topics, which most clickbait Hip-Hop journalism has become. The thing is, there's no market for a writer to actually make a living otherwise.

Like for instance I'm writing a piece about these dudes dancing on tables and how it beckons back to Minstrelsy, but I know most of these outlets would see the word Minstrelsy alone and ignore me off GP. That's a rabbithole most of these editors are unwilling to touch or are in denial about.

And the thing is, I don't want to be on those major sites for so many of the reasons listed in this thread, and I don't pitch to them, but then it's like, how do you get your shyt out there? It's like you have to be content with the moral victory of knowing you spoke the truth and maybe someone will read it. I read old Source magazines, and it's like night and day to today's content.

Luckily, the couple places I write at the most, the (white) owners/staff are "woke" enough to let me speak my piece on most issues (I wouldn't write for them otherwise) but there's always going to be a difference if it's not your own space. There's always gonna be certain lines you write or points you try to raise that will become a point of contention with an editor. There's always gonna be moments where editors don't understand why I reference a concept from a book just to get people to possibly pick it up.

I feel like Hip-Hop has all eyes on it, and a lot of the deepest issues in our community can be explained in the context of the Hip-Hop industry. That type of writing will go over better as far as reaching the youth IMO...but the thing is there is just such a small lane for it...never mind a lucrative one.

It's just another tenuous situation for Black people in America. I have my own Blog for artists of color, and I want to eventually find like-minded people to start a real outlet with (not just some "blog"), but it feels like a distant possibility for now. :yeshrug:
 

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They do this all the time to black applicants at those places. This is what this is about. Why is monopoly behind black music yet another good ole boys club? Why are black people overrepresented on these blogs as the source of their content and media but barely the ones on the staff? Why do you not see this as a problem?

BTW, I've already had my opinion on thsi matter, you're not gonna change it. I'm still sad black folks falling for the okey doke wThe issuhen the evidence is right there in your face. I researched this enough, talked to people on twitter and in real life after making this thread and doing my research, to know this is constant when it comes to this type of thing. Basically by saying this you're basically co-signing dishonest and discriminatory hiring processes and the whitewashing of black music/art/culture and there's no part of me that honestly can respect that at all.

We can't have shyt cause people with your thought processes are too eager to give it away for pennies and nikka trinkets.

The issue is bigger than employment. You've got situations in which schools are creating sh!tty employees by the dozen
and that effect is compounded when it concerns african americans. However when you start using it to validate this chip
on the shoulder/ego the responsibility falls on the employer not on getting better as an employee or marketing yourself better.
I've seen this happen with women ... where men ask for raises or put more effort and then they get salty because they
got promotions and it's somehow sexist.

All these outlets serve to satisfy their consumer base...it's cacs reporting on black culture for cacs

WE ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE

Yes we provide the content but we've also prevented cac domination on the artist side.

It's still black rappers supplanting black rappers after 30 years


I'd rather we move on beyond entertainment into finance. real estate, health care, bio-tech
and other industries and achieve true wealth as a race providing products/services
for the entire globe not just entertainment for white people
 

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The issue is bigger than employment. You've got situations in which schools are creating sh!tty employees by the dozen
and that effect is compounded when it concerns african americans. However when you start using it to validate this chip
on the shoulder/ego the responsibility falls on the employer not on getting better as an employee or marketing yourself better.
I've seen this happen with women ... where men ask for raises or put more effort and then they get salty because they
got promotions and it's somehow sexist.

All these outlets serve to satisfy their consumer base...it's cacs reporting on black culture for cacs

WE ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE

Yes we provide the content but we've also prevented cac domination on the artist side.

It's still black rappers supplanting black rappers after 30 years


I'd rather we move on beyond entertainment into finance. real estate, health care, bio-tech
and other industries and achieve true wealth as a race providing products/services
for the entire globe not just entertainment for white people


lol kills me folks dont understand the jig when things like that Noisey doc with Migos, they had to use subtitles. Black folk never want to realize they are being played. Posing with Guns and flashing drugs and such for the amusement of others.
 

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lol kills me folks dont understand the jig when things like that Noisey doc with Migos, they had to use subtitles. Black folk never want to realize they are being played. Posing with Guns and flashing drugs and such for the amusement of others.

but who is that audience for ?

Would you get offended if they put subtitles on an african kwaito artist ?

Say i'm a young cac in boston whose dad works in wealth mgmt and moms runs some charity
I have no direct connection to Migos/black people because they are miles away from my world
but I love the songs, the chains, the dreads, the attitude, the girls etc and I want more info

Am I supposed to travel to ATL ? get around more black people ?


^^^^ This is who is watching the videos, buying the music/merch and attending concerts
 

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The issue is bigger than employment. You've got situations in which schools are creating sh!tty employees by the dozen
and that effect is compounded when it concerns african americans. However when you start using it to validate this chip
on the shoulder/ego the responsibility falls on the employer not on getting better as an employee or marketing yourself better.
I've seen this happen with women ... where men ask for raises or put more effort and then they get salty because they
got promotions and it's somehow sexist.

All these outlets serve to satisfy their consumer base...it's cacs reporting on black culture for cacs

WE ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE

Yes we provide the content but we've also prevented cac domination on the artist side.

It's still black rappers supplanting black rappers after 30 years


I'd rather we move on beyond entertainment into finance. real estate, health care, bio-tech
and other industries and achieve true wealth as a race providing products/services
for the entire globe not just entertainment for white people

Black people are at the cutting of edge of everything you mentioned and I can provide lanks.

Vice will go down as one of the goats alongside nytimes. The hip hop coverage is trash , but not because they cover black artists , but because they are hipsters first .

They cover ALL kinds of music it just doesn't get posted here .

There world news coverage is some of the best .

I'm not here to cape or defend vice . I fukks with them tho .
 

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This whole thread reminds me of when dame dash was going on a rant about lyor and he was like "what white artist did he ever break? What did he even do in our culture to be put in a position as a decision maker over our music?" And that was years ago.

Fast forward to 2016 one of the biggest artists in the game now-- Young Thug is asking permission from that man to answer questions during a live interview. shyt is crazy.

We need to get @Brooklynzson in here and put serious thought into trying to turn the Coli into an entertainment website like complex but ran by Black people. We literally have everything in place from the name recognition to the traffic in order to make this shyt pop. I know there are industry heads that post on here too. We could be generating original content out the ass #fortheculture
 

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We need to get @Brooklynzson in here and put serious thought into trying to turn the Coli into an entertainment website like complex but ran by Black people. We literally have everything in place from the name recognition to the traffic in order to make this shyt pop. I know there are industry heads that post on here too. We could be generating original content out the ass #fortheculture
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This whole thread reminds me of when dame dash was going on a rant about lyor and he was like "what white artist did he ever break? What did he even do in our culture to be put in a position as a decision maker over our music?" And that was years ago.

Fast forward to 2016 one of the biggest artists in the game now-- Young Thug is asking permission from that man to answer questions during a live interview. shyt is crazy.

We need to get @Brooklynzson in here and put serious thought into trying to turn the Coli into an entertainment website like complex but ran by Black people. We literally have everything in place from the name recognition to the traffic in order to make this shyt pop. I know there are industry heads that post on here too. We could be generating original content out the ass #fortheculture
:obama:
 

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Any black person that supports Vice in any way is fukking dumb impressionable c00n that I refuse to accept. I'm just gonna deadass just tell you that straight up to your face. Go to their offices and see if they think about hiring your black ass son. Unless you a rapper, or african warlord, or some bizarrew stereotype of blackness that can be exploited for monetary gain, you ain't getting in them offices even as a waterboy. Maybe as an intern. So seriously, I would understand why you impressionable ass house nikkas wouldn't even see that. I used to check out that site from 2004-2010 and I can tell you as I picked up copies of Vice Magazine that I still have from 2007-2008 when it was free and it still is free at American Apparel...it was always free and supported by ads that was the whole point of the magazine to function as a media art wank rag that you[d see in deli magazine stands in the lower east side today. THEY NEVER INTERVIEWED RAPPERS PRIOR TO 2010. Or any black people really for that matter except for certain features but barely.
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you are SO not hip to this game at all. I have been a music head since the 90s besides my own music and DJ background (don't want to spill too much on this forum). I've invested so much time in the culture and researching about music, art, fashion, all of thast while trying to build up my own brand that would ultimately help the black communit in retrospect by providing a viable platform to present black creativity controlled by us for us to the masses. I ain't gonna discuss my moves on here no more, if you want to get at me get at my, I have experience in social media, I have my own successful blog that I have been running since 2011 with almost 4,000, I kno you don't know this shyt you blind as fukk. And I am not saying this as a diss cause I respect the opinions of other grown black men trying to make it in this world, but I am giving you the heads up! YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON! BEHIND THE SCENES!

Black people are being phased out of the entertainment industry from behind the scenes and just as entertainment!

DO YOU NOT SEE THE PARALLLELS TO MINSTRELSY!?

@PhonZhi been fukking telling yall for ages and you say his approach is corny but nikkas will not listen...cause they fighting to still be nikkaS!
WE ARE KINGS AND QUEENS SON! REMEMBER THIS! AND STAY BLACK AND PROUD!
Click to expand...​
 
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Any black person that supports Vice in any way is fukking dumb impressionable c00n that I refuse to accept. I'm just gonna deadass just tell you that straight up to your face. Go to their offices and see if they think about hiring your black ass son. Unless you a rapper, or african warlord, or some bizarrew stereotype of blackness that can be exploited for monetary gain, you ain't getting in them offices even as a waterboy. Maybe as an intern. So seriously, I would understand why you impressionable ass house nikkas wouldn't even see that. I used to check out that site from 2004-2010 and I can tell you as I picked up copies of Vice Magazine that I still have from 2007-2008 when it was free and it still is free...it was always free and supported by ads that was the whole point of the magazine to function as a media art wank rag that you[d see in deli magazine stands in the lower east side today. THEY NEVER INTERVIEWED RAPPERS PRIOR TO 2010.

I don't care about acceptance...I live for myself and that's it

My time is too valuable to work for Vice...

I like some of their Vice docs similar to Journeyman Pictures/AL Jeezera/Bloomberg/CNBC

I don't even pay attention to Noisey documentaries like that

And honestly if you are truely disgruntled...raise some capital and set up your own shop

It's 2016...grants are available...you can form partnerships with labels/brands/hotels/travel companies/tourism departments

Go for it...instead of using shaming tactics like a recalcitrant crybaby
 

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Any black person that supports Vice in any way is fukking dumb impressionable c00n that I refuse to accept. I'm just gonna deadass just tell you that straight up to your face. Go to their offices and see if they think about hiring your black ass son. Unless you a rapper, or african warlord, or some bizarrew stereotype of blackness that can be exploited for monetary gain, you ain't getting in them offices even as a waterboy. Maybe as an intern. So seriously, I would understand why you impressionable ass house nikkas wouldn't even see that. I used to check out that site from 2004-2010 and I can tell you as I picked up copies of Vice Magazine that I still have from 2007-2008 when it was free and it still is free at American Apparel...it was always free and supported by ads that was the whole point of the magazine to function as a media art wank rag that you[d see in deli magazine stands in the lower east side today. THEY NEVER INTERVIEWED RAPPERS PRIOR TO 2010. Or any black people really for that matter except for certain features but barely.
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you are SO not hip to this game at all. I have been a music head since the 90s besides my own music and DJ background (don't want to spill too much on this forum). I've invested so much time in the culture and researching about music, art, fashion, all of thast while trying to build up my own brand that would ultimately help the black communit in retrospect by providing a viable platform to present black creativity controlled by us for us to the masses. I ain't gonna discuss my moves on here no more, if you want to get at me get at my, I have experience in social media, I have my own successful blog that I have been running since 2011 with almost 4,000, I kno you don't know this shyt you blind as fukk. And I am not saying this as a diss cause I respect the opinions of other grown black men trying to make it in this world, but I am giving you the heads up! YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON! BEHIND THE SCENES!

Black people are being phased out of the entertainment industry from behind the scenes and just as entertainment!

DO YOU NOT SEE THE PARALLLELS TO MINSTRELSY!?

@PhonZhi been fukking telling yall for ages and you say his approach is corny but nikkas will not listen...cause they fighting to still be nikkaS!
WE ARE KINGS AND QUEENS SON! REMEMBER THIS! AND STAY BLACK AND PROUD!
Click to expand...​
Breh I don't go to vice for entertainment .Sorry. Before they was following rappers around I was down with them. The entertainment is just there as an option to me .

nikkas also be saying Vice is propaganda. I don't believe that either .
 

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I don't care about acceptance...I live for myself and that's it

My time is too valuable to work for Vice...

I like some of their Vice docs similar to Journeyman Pictures/AL Jeezera/Bloomberg/CNBC

I don't even pay attention to Noisey documentaries like that

And honestly if you are truely disgruntled...raise some capital and set up your own shop

It's 2016...grants are available...you can form partnerships with labels/brands/hotels/travel companies/tourism departments

Go for it...instead of using shaming tactics like a recalcitrant crybaby
That wasnt a diss...or directed towards your or @Colilluminati and I dont want you to take it as such. But real reason this is important is for the next generation of black men and black women to be represented fairly and to be able to have opportunities to advance their respective craft in the black community. I was one of them young black kids that never aspired to go into music or become a dj until i saw dj spooky back in the day and here i am now. Music and art kept me out of trouble. And i just want to provide outlets for them to stay out of trouble and become productive and successful young adults.

I started my own business years ago and Im happy to say i can live comfortably off of it but I still have numerous side hustles. I personally care way too much about the well being of my people mentally and physically to slide through the cracks or just be too focused on myself these days.

I am just respectively saying this is where the action begins and this conversation ends and pm me if anybody wants to continue this discussion in the thread and discuss solutions that will actually benefit us instead or hinder us collectively


That me and mines is good mentality aint sitting well with me. And im not continuing this convo for tye vultures visible lurking this board that take our ideas and intellectual property and run with them. We are ten times better than this and we deserve ten times more than this.
 

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That wasnt a diss...or directed towards your or @Colilluminati and I dont want you to take it as such. But real reason this is important is for the next generation of black men and black women to be represented fairly and to be able to have opportunities to advance their respective craft in the black community. I was one of them young black kids that never aspired to go into music or become a dj until i saw dj spooky back in the day and here i am now. Music and art kept me out of trouble. And i just want to provide outlets for them to stay out of trouble and become productive and successful young adults.

I started my own business years ago and Im happy to say i can live comfortably off of it but I still have numerous side hustles. I personally care way too much about the well being of my people mentally and physically to slide through the cracks or just be too focused on myself these days.

I am just respectively saying this is where the action begins and this conversation ends and pm me if anybody wants to continue this discussion in the thread and discuss solutions that will actually benefit us instead or hinder us collectively


That me and mines is good mentality aint sitting well with me. And im not continuing this convo for tye vultures visible lurking this board that take our ideas and intellectual property and run with them. We are ten times better than this and we deserve ten times more than this.


That's a great story but your success should be inspiration enough...

I sincerely believe we need to let them have this and attack lucrative industries full force

1000 black billionaire businessmen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000s of entertainers

Honestly the only people I want to help are liberian/philliphino/aboriginal kids
and Nigerian kids who get burned when accused of witchcraft

And after that debuckle I read about a well to do brother helping the hood
got robbed/shot by the very same kids he was helping

it left a bad taste :francis:

I'm beginning to understand how wealthy blacks just distance themselves all together

but my compassion for the third world will always be there so I can focus
my philanthropic efforts on children who have much more severe handicaps

My solution is simple...develop products/services for all races
hire all races .....sell then rinse and repeat with special preference shown to
competent black workers

We can practice group economics once we have a few trillion in production power
NOT consumption power and lobby for our causes or just invade a whole state
on some Tulsa sh!t

Probably will need some arms in case these cacs see it being prosperous
and get jealous...

but yeah it all starts with doing for self :dame:
 
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