What I mean by atheists are those that believe that the universe was all accidental and not purposeful. I say that I'm in between those who believe that the universe is purposeful or whether it was random. I feel like we really haven't been able to answer that question. If you believe that the universe was purposeful or created at some level by some conscious force its possible for someone to consider that force to be a God. If you believe that the universe was created by random physics your an all out atheist.
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What I mean by atheists are those that believe that the universe was all accidental and not purposeful. I say that I'm in between those who believe that the universe is purposeful or whether it was random. I feel like we really haven't been able to answer that question. If you believe that the universe was purposeful or created at some level by some conscious force its possible for someone to consider that force to be a God. If you believe that the universe was created by random physics your an all out atheist.
First off. I don't BELIEVE much of anything. I just tend to follow the evidence.
YOU BELIEVE in a "purpose" of some sort. I don't.
No I don't necessarily believe in purpose and I do believe in evidence. I believe in a lot of things that atheists believe I just don't think there's enough evidence to discredit God in terms of their being a universal consciousness. The reason for this is based on empirical evidence. Take the Big Bang for example. First there was nothing all of a sudden an explosion happens and creates things. Stars are made that contain the elements which create us and our world and so we go. But no one, not even scientists can answer the question of how something arose of nothing. Everything we know of in our universe comes from a source. Every action has a reaction. Yet no one can explain how something arose of nothing. Maybe one day science will have an answer to that question but for now we do don't know. Also look at any science that involves our universe and the fact that there are laws to it. There are many instances in the universe, on our planet, and in our bodies and even in the process of evolution which can give the impression that we live in an intelligently designed universe. Again, I don't know that for sure thats why I won't even say I'm a panthest. All I'm saying is that when Atheists say well science has trumped up enough evidence to show that their is no God. Their really only talking about the Gods of the abrahamic religions and other God's of of ancient religions. If you consider broadening the interpretation to what a god is as just a force that created the universe and allows the system of our universe to flow as it does, than its possible for someone to interpret why their is a God. Belief in something that has not been proven is a matter of interpretation. When I say I'm agnostic I say that I believe its possible that the force which created all that we have could be considered a God but at the same time it may have just been a random coincidence. That's why I say that the idea that you either have to believe or not believe in something is a false choice. If someone observes a trial going on on television. And there's some evidence on the defendent but nothing concrete. Its very possible for someone to say they aren't sure yet whether the person is guilty or not.
I don't discredit god.
The notion of god hasn't proven itself. I can't prove a negative.
The understanding of the "big bang" is based on the notion that the universe is expanding. That does NOT answer everything before that or why it happened, if you will. Stop looking for answers to questions that weren't being asked.
As far as we know, but this may not always be true.
but that doesn't give you license to make stuff up.
on a macro scale, maybe. The laws we've derived worked in our models...it doesn't mean our models always work.
Giving an impression doesn't mean actually being indicative of such a thing.
which i think is pretty dumb since you're just calling "everything" god, as if you don't have better explanations for some of that stuff.
i.e. your notion of god will get smaller as time progresses since you can't CLEARLY call photosynthesis "god" if you know how that works as opposed to like 300 years ago.
TO DATE, all evidence supporting god has been debunked.
That doesn't mean theres no god.
The burden of proof is on the person asserting the claim.
Blame theists that their arguments don't hold up.
so?
if you're not defining something, then you're not talking about anything.
thats faith. faith is belief in something in spite of a lack of evidence. if you have such low standards, don't expect me to as well.
so just say "I don't know" instead of presupposing everything
Its not a false choice.
Do you KNOW if there is a god or not?
If you know: Gnostic
if you don't know: agnostic
Do you BELIEVE (based on whatever evidence) that there is a god(s)?
If you believe? theist
If you don't believe: atheist
THIS DOES NOT MEAN A GOD DOES NOT EXIST..merely the believe in the claim isn't supported.
The question is NOT: Do you believe there are no gods.
Too bad.
Defend your stance instead of hoping to slide by on minimal evidence.
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I believe there is a God. I don't feel like God casts any judgement on human morality like in Abrahamic religions. I'm on board with the one consciousness perspective, although I feel the Bible does impart much truth about God, but obviously it was distorted to keep society ignorant of the truth. I do believe in a Devil too, an evil spirit that is trying to discredit and pervert God's creation at every turn. I have a pretty complex set of beliefs though. I get a lot of insight from Buddhist practices, Hermetics, and other spiritual writings.
In the end, I believe God resides in all of us, and we were all giving similar traits to him - intelligence, creativity, the capacity to love, etc. A spirit close to God fights a righteous fight, has faith in himself and the abilities of our connected consciousness, and most of all loves unconditionally.
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I don't believe in god nor religion. Not sure what one would call me 
I don't discredit god.
The notion of god hasn't proven itself. I can't prove a negative
Again the notion of a god hasn't been disproven either, unless your talking about the God of creationism and greek, roman egyptian gods etc.
The understanding of the "big bang" is based on the notion that the universe is expanding. That does NOT answer everything before that or why it happened, if you will. Stop looking for answers to questions that weren't being asked.
Why can't I ask my own questsions? Thats how scientific discoveries are made in the first place. Scientists are actively trying to figure out the cause of the big bang to this day.
As far as we know, but this may not always be true. but that doesn't give you license to make stuff up. on a macro scale, maybe. The laws we've derived worked in our models...it doesn't mean our models always work. Giving an impression doesn't mean actually being indicative of such a thing. which i think is pretty dumb since you're just calling "everything" god, as if you don't have better explanations for some of that stuff.
When did I say everything around me was god. The whole point of my response in this whole thing is that I have no absolute belief. Your talking from a perspective of someone who believes I lean more towards spiritualism and pantheism which I have no proof is actually true so I don't outright go by that label. I just don't think what we know if science necessarily discredits it either is what I'm saying.
i.e. your notion of god will get smaller as time progresses since you can't CLEARLY call photosynthesis "god" if you know how that works as opposed to like 300 years ago. TO DATE, all evidence supporting god has been debunked.
Yes all evidence of the god's that we have known about in previous religions I would agree, but I also don't agree with the idea that a lot of what we know about in terms of science doesn't necessarily denounce got in the pantheist sense.
That doesn't mean theres no god.
The burden of proof is on the person asserting the claim.
Blame theists that their arguments don't hold up.
I'm not a theist but I can't denounce the pantheistic view of God because theres nothing currently in science that necessarily denounces it.
so? if you're not defining something, then you're not talking about anything. thats faith. faith is belief in something in spite of a lack of evidence. if you have such low standards, don't expect me to as well. so just say "I don't know" instead of presupposing everything Its not a false choice.
Dude your douchiness in these responses are mad unnecessary. The reason why I'm pre-supposing things is because I'm justifying my "I don't know" responses by looking at other things which could be possible. Again no one understands how something was created of nothing. All the scientific evidence that we have "only" disproves God in the sense of the kind we've known about in the religions of the civlizations we've had on this planet. Until you've proven how something was created out of nothing its difficult to disprove the nature that their isn't a conscious force just as its hard to prove the nature that their is a force.
Do you KNOW if there is a god or not?
If you know: Gnostic
if you don't know: agnostic
Do you BELIEVE (based on whatever evidence) that there is a god(s)?
If you believe? theist
If you don't believe: atheist
or if your not sure "I don't know". The question of whether you believe in something is not always yes or no. If I'm seeing a trial on television and there's some evidence against the client but nothing concrete its very possible that if someone were to ask me whether I believed the person to be innocent or guilty or not that I say "I don't know" The evidence that science has against God is mostly related to the way God has been interpreted in terms of the religions that civilizations have had in the past. We don't know how anything arises out of nothing. We don't know how elements just arose out of this huge random explosion to which we don't know how it started. Lets not act like we've gotten to a point in our discoveries that we've outright proven that everything is random.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN A GOD DOES NOT EXIST..merely the believe in the claim isn't supported.
The question is NOT: Do you believe there are no gods.
Too bad.
Defend your stance instead of hoping to slide by on minimal evidence.
This is completely ignorant. This whole idea that you have to have certainty on all questions presented to is bullshyt. No one has yet to really understand what the mind is? How the Big Bang just arose from nothing? How DNA can trigger and un-trigger genes in species depending on their environments? Why are genes all have the same genetic coding in all living species to feed, stay alive and reproduce. Yes I know evolution triggers things like our immune systems response to pathogens but where does that consciousness in our genetics come from? I believe that evolution played a part in our digestive system but you take a look at the digestive system and you wonder how years of evolution bio-engineered such a perfect system. Bottomline is I don't deny that science can prove such things but I can't deny the idea that their may be some type of universal consciousness What created the Higgs field that allowed all particles to have mass, which led to gravity, which allowed this planet to be able to orbit our nearest star. I'm aware a lot of these questions could be answered scientifically but the fact that all things are born and die out, even non-living things like stars and what not. Our emotions are triggered by chemicals in our body but if we are all the results of some random primordial soup how do we trigger these chemicals that exist in our body from external or mental visualizations. Our construction is so perfect in many ways and the fact that the universe has measurable laws allows can logically allow someone to speculate about the universe being an absolute random accident and nothing more. There's still so much to learn about universe that I can't denounce the idea that a conscious force exists in at least a sub-atomic level. We can interpret the force that we have in this world in a way which isn't necessarily a god either. Which is why my answer to whether I believe in God or not is simply "I DON"T KNOW".
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oh wow...
Which god?
so you're just creating the god concept you want to believe in, right?
but only the truths you want to accept while discarding the rest, huh?
and only YOU know the true meaning, huh?
of course you do.
yet that god allows to exist?
yeah...you're pretty opened minded.
Quite the imagination too. 
Yes. Esoteric bullshyt thats hard to understand cause its devoid of actual substantive conclusions but masks its interpretation in continued obfuscation. Got it.
What you believe has no bearing on whether or not such an entity exists.
You believe this? Prove it.
More empty platitudes and poetic jargon.
Prove it
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college was good to a nikka Then stop speaking on things you don't KNOW.
Invoking 'god" doesn't answer anything.
Invoking god doesn't answer anything
DNA Methylation, Histone modification, and other effects are fairly well understood in the realm of epigenetics.
this makes no sense. cause its not true.
thats not how evolution nor immunology works.
Neurons reacting to stimuli in a concerted fashion. "Consciousness" is a myth.
Its not perfect. It just works based on its environment.
Part of the reason you don't need your appendix much anymore is because no one eats raw grasses anymore.
because you're not educated enough on the things you think you understand. Paying attention in bio 101 would have answered this.
What?
If you can accept that your body reacts to chemicals, then you shuld be able to understand how external stimuli also can cause the body to react. Its all stimuli and receptors.
stop right there.
its NOT "perfect" since you don't have anything else to compare it to.
Humans work because they work. not because they're "perfect"
you're just rambling here.
I guess you don't understand what you're even suggesting. Not only is there no evidence of this, but its just not true.
You sound like the type to only have watched youtube videos on science instead of actually paying attention in class.
So you want to interfere with my religious right to interfere with secular society!!??!! that's racist
I don't believe in god nor religion. Not sure what one would call me
You, sir, are an atheist. Welcome. It's a secret society, all we ask is trust.
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Don't atheist still believe in some high being or whatnot?
