How did a powerful black empowerment speech turn into a diss towards black men

[Black Magisterialness]

I see...a butt hurt, entitled white woman's mixed child who resents my not wanting them as the head of our table....have several stadiums of seats, not everything needs to center around your white supremacist self. My Blackness was not a decision made for me by non Black mother, it has been a part of my tapestry since the dawn of time and the newly Black mixed spawned from my oppressors that benefit from the systemic racism we're fighting should not be prominently representing us in the media, it looks ridiculous. Be lucky that we have seats for you at our table, unlike your non Black half.

So because this mixed man (who didn't choose his parents) chose to champion our cause we shouldn't accept that? No, for most of us blackness was not an "option", but if we were to all of a sudden take away the efforts of those of mixed race heritage you wouldn't see a LARGE portion of our resistance. It is precisely BECAUSE of being denied HALF of who they are that we should be the ones to embrace the other half and eventually the whole. Us African-American's technically don't even really have a genetic platform like that, if you were born in America chances are you are a mutt, mixed with the blood of slaves and slave owners AND natives.

Now because your dominant black traits shown through doesn't make you more of a freedom fighter than this man who decided to take up the mantle when he could have easily shunned us....like many of ACTUALLY "full-blooded" black celebrities have. You really think Jessie Williams has room to be this guy if Lebron or Jay or D. Wade or Will Smith or any other MEGA-celeb stood up PROUDLY and said the things he says?

No, because they are all cowards in their own rights too. With the passing of Ali this all became tragically apparent to me, but to deny mixed people is to also in a way deny the way that our foremothers were raped by white men, or denies the work that mixed race people have done for our cause. Its all about who's effective. We are beyond having "heroes that look like us" we have to move into the "we need heroes who can forward our cause" way of thinking. Period. But instead, cats want to waste time playing genetic gymnastics or justifying why black men (really all men) have been shytty to black women, instead of circling the wagons, creating groundswell and coming to the world with the full brunt of our collective creative, legislative, intellectual and economic power. Part of what made the Movement so powerful in the 60's was everything was energy for it, the music, the art, the movies, the clothing, the groups....everything was geared towards the central theme of black power and black mobility. This will never happen again as long as we sit here and argue about fukking Jessie Williams.

Should Brother Malcolm have not have represented us?
Kathleen Cleaver?
Bob Marley?
Fredrick Douglass?

 

[ezrathegreat]

You'll be a lot happier when you stop listening to women.

 

[Master Teacher]

Please do not call people half breeds...my younger brother is mixed, but has always identified as Black since he was raised solely by us. I understand what he's doing in part, however, we've always pander to white supremacy by having those whites deem less threatening represent us, look at the leadership of the NAACP since the beginning. I refuse to embrace Euroracist aesthetics that white supremacy deems better than SSA physicality...even as they inject, butcher and damage their skin to emulate thos every features they used to mock. We need the Blackness that they fear to be in their faces, not perpetuate the plantation hierarchy which WE CHOSE to continue.

Your post is full contradiction. You say your brother is mixed and identify has black, but don't see Williams as the same lol.

Who is we? Who is pandering to white supremacy? Where do you get this moronic belief? Nobody is having Williams represent us he chooses to do what he does well his black peers do not, that's just that simple.

The NAACP was started by jews and never was meant to empower black people, the problem is you c00ns always denounce the black movements has hoteps, and hold vocal black people to ridiculous standards yet give passes for everyone else.

Jessie Williams spoke for himself. Nothing is stopping the other black men in the room from being vocal other than they are OWN COWARDICE.

nikkaz like you are part of the problem. You are weak and cowardly. You're made this biracial man has more courage to not only stand up for himself but your weak ass as well, so you feel some type of way about so you conjure up this dumb ass shyt like somehow this gesture is pandering to white supremacist lmao.

Everything in the bold has nothing to do with anything presented in this whole situation, this is a manifestation of your OWN PERSONAL INFERIORITY COMPLEX which is why your deflecting that heat onto some invisible target because your not man enough to look in the mirror and stop hating yourself.

Do us all a favor and hang yourself, weak men like you have no place in the future of the black community,

And as for his actually statements, I address those in other thread, and what he actually said makes no sense and holds no weight

but the fact he's willing to cause a discussion in a public forum is more than what his peers have done.

 

[Frostmage]

So because this mixed man (who didn't choose his parents) chose to champion our cause we shouldn't accept that? No, for most of us blackness was not an "option", but if we were to all of a sudden take away the efforts of those of mixed race heritage you wouldn't see a LARGE portion of our resistance. It is precisely BECAUSE of being denied HALF of who they are that we should be the ones to embrace the other half and eventually the whole. Us African-American's technically don't even really have a genetic platform like that, if you were born in America chances are you are a mutt, mixed with the blood of slaves and slave owners AND natives.

Now because your dominant black traits shown through doesn't make you more of a freedom fighter than this man who decided to take up the mantle when he could have easily shunned us....like many of ACTUALLY "full-blooded" black celebrities have. You really think Jessie Williams has room to be this guy if Lebron or Jay or D. Wade or Will Smith or any other MEGA-celeb stood up PROUDLY and said the things he says?

No, because they are all cowards in their own rights too. With the passing of Ali this all became tragically apparent to me, but to deny mixed people is to also in a way deny the way that our foremothers were raped by white men, or denies the work that mixed race people have done for our cause. Its all about who's effective. We are beyond having "heroes that look like us" we have to move into the "we need heroes who can forward our cause" way of thinking. Period. But instead, cats want to waste time playing genetic gymnastics or justifying why black men (really all men) have been shytty to black women, instead of circling the wagons, creating groundswell and coming to the world with the full brunt of our collective creative, legislative, intellectual and economic power. Part of what made the Movement so powerful in the 60's was everything was energy for it, the music, the art, the movies, the clothing, the groups....everything was geared towards the central theme of black power and black mobility. This will never happen again as long as we sit here and argue about fukking Jessie Williams.

Should Brother Malcolm have not have represented us?
Kathleen Cleaver?
Bob Marley?
Fredrick Douglass?

Skimmed.Those are culturally Black people who had no ties with the white community, therefore had no divided loyalties. There is a very big between these people and mixed ones with white influences.

-Bob Marley, whom most people still don't realize is mixed called himself a Black man and was NEVER acknowledged by the white people he shared DNA until he was famous had this to say about his father:
“My fadda was a guy yunno, from England here, yunno? Him was like…like you can read it yunno, it’s one o’dem slave stories: white guy get the black woman and breed her. He’s a English guy…I t’ink. Cos me see him one time yunno. My mother? My Mother African.” (Bob Marley, 1978)

Bob was a business man and I have no doubt said the BS about not being on anyone's side because it helped his career.

-Malcolm X's grandmother was raped by an unknown white man, his father, who was a follower of Marcus Garvey was beaten by six white men who put him onto a railroad track...it took two days form him to die. The life insurance compancy deem his death a suicide and refused to pay out, therefore during the Depression he lived join dandelions.....and you honestly think he didn't hate the white blood flowing through his veins?

-Frederick Douglas had no idea who is father was, it could have been a mixed slave, NA,etc. He never thought the Black freewoman who helped him and latermarried how to read and write, she supported him as the great orator ran around making speeches to help give white women the vote. He even had a white woman come to his wife's house to be served by her. He later married the white woman and she lived in the home Black woman slaved all her life to provide for her family.

Kathleen Cleaver is not directly mixed, she has no white shadows to claim her achievements.

"Kathleen Neal, who was born in 1945, spent her earliest years in what she remembers as a sheltered, segregated black community, almost Victorian in its conventions, in Tuskegee, Ala. Her mother had an advanced degree in mathematics. Her father taught sociology at Tuskegee University before joining the Foreign Service and taking the family to India and the Philippines."

Stop trying to have white people actively written into our narratives.

 

[Frostmage]

Your post is full contradiction. You say your brother is mixed and identify has black, but don't see Williams as the same lol.

Who is we? Who is pandering to white supremacy? Where do you get this moronic belief? Nobody is having Williams represent us he chooses to do what he does well his black peers do not, that's just that simple.

The NAACP was started by jews and never was meant to empower black people, the problem is you c00ns always denounce the black movements has hoteps, and hold vocal black people to ridiculous standards yet give passes for everyone else.

Jessie Williams spoke for himself. Nothing is stopping the other black men in the room from being vocal other than they are OWN COWARDICE.

nikkaz like you are part of the problem. You are weak and cowardly. You're made this biracial man has more courage to not only stand up for himself but your weak ass as well, so you feel some type of way about so you conjure up this dumb ass shyt like somehow this gesture is pandering to white supremacist lmao.

Everything in the bold has nothing to do with anything presented in this whole situation, this is a manifestation of your OWN PERSONAL INFERIORITY COMPLEX which is why your deflecting that heat onto some invisible target because your not man enough to look in the mirror and stop hating yourself.

Do us all a favor and hang yourself, weak men like you have no place in the future of the black community,

And as for his actually statements, I address those in other thread, and what he actually said makes no sense and holds no weight

but the fact he's willing to cause a discussion in a public forum is more than what his peers have done.

I stopped reading after contradictions..EDIT: saw the self lynch bit...I really ruffled your feathers, didn't I? Where did I say that Jesse couldn't call himself Black? He can call himself The Great Pumpkin, I still don't want a half white person to be the prominent face of pro Blackness.....I would oppose my own brother doing it. My AfroJewSpanic nephew also would be told to sit his cute little, couldn't tell if he was part Black butt down( I'm still hoping for an Afro, if not there is a Jheri curl in his future)

You're an entitled mixed person who definitely sprang from a whiny, white supremacist uterus that will never understand what pro Blackness really means in the face of the physical and psychological terrorism we've face from white supremacy for almost five hundred years.

You are not an ally to us or else you would realize the need of the many non mixed Black people for visibility and agency in our own Black struggle outweighs the needs of the fewer mixed Blacks to showcase their otherness that reflect the delusion of white supremacy. Your alliance is to the oppressor and your own need for validation, not the pro Black struggle.

You actually remind me of the whiny white women who took offence about the Black Girls Rock TWO HOUR TV show that was broadcasted on a minor cable station that had to be schooled by another white woman.

Let me tell you something, white folks. From one white person to another.

"You are in everything. 99 percent of Hollywood movies feature your faces. 99 percent of magazine covers are covered in you. The Emmy Awards and Oscars are almost entirely you. If you Google “beautiful people” the screen is covered in white faces. Black girls (and boys) are taught from birth that there is one version of beauty, and it is you. Many black girls go their entire lives thinking they are ugly, thinking they need to be lighter, straighter, whiter in order to have value. Everything that you see every day that reaffirms your whiteness; every commercial that has a nice white lady embodying the perfect “mom;” every magazine that has blue eyes and bone-straight hair; every Hollywood blockbuster that has a leading lady with skin never darker than Halle Berry... all of these things are reinforcements of your identity that you take for granted."


Why I'm Not Here for #WhiteGirlsRock

Everything is not about you, nor should it be.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Those are culturally Black people who had no ties with the white community, therefore had no divided loyalties. There is a very big between these people and mixed ones with white influences.

-Bob Marley, whom most people still don't realize is mixed called himself a Black man and was NEVER acknowledged by the white people he shared DNA until he was famous had this to say about his father:
“My fadda was a guy yunno, from England here, yunno? Him was like…like you can read it yunno, it’s one o’dem slave stories: white guy get the black woman and breed her. He’s a English guy…I t’ink. Cos me see him one time yunno. My mother? My Mother African.” (Bob Marley, 1978)

Bob was a business man and I have no doubt said the BS about not being on anyone's side because it helped his career.

-Malcolm X's grandmother was raped by an unknown white man, his father, who was a follower of Marcus Garvey was beaten by six white men who put him onto a railroad track...it took two days form him to die. The life insurance compancy deem his death a suicide and refused to pay out, therefore during the Depression he lived join dandelions.....and you honestly think he didn't hate the white blood flowing through his veins?

-Frederick Douglas had no idea who is father was, it could have been a mixed slave, NA,etc. He never thought the Black freewoman who helped him and latermarried how to read and write, she supported him as the great orator ran around making speeches to help give white women the vote. He even had a white woman come to his wife's house to be served by heart. He later married the white woman and she lived in the home Black woman slaved all her life to provide for her family.

Kathleen Cleaver is not directly mixed, she has no white shadows to claim her achievements.

"Kathleen Neal, who was born in 1945, spent her earliest years in what she remembers as a sheltered, segregated black community, almost Victorian in its conventions, in Tuskegee, Ala. Her mother had an advanced degree in mathematics. Her father taught sociology at Tuskegee University before joining the Foreign Service and taking the family to India and the Philippines."

Stop trying to have white actively people written into our narratives.

So fighting for black people's rights isn't culturally black... A mixed dude who's parents were teachers and has an African-American studies degree is some how "not participating in black culture"?

Sounds like you equate black culture with POOR people culture...they are not the same. Unless, black people with money aren't black now


Are you naive enough to believe that YOU have no white influences? If you live in western society then you do...there is no such thing as "mixed people with no white influences"

You speak a white mans language, wear his clothes, use his infrastructure and participate in his economy and you really think you are some how devoid of his influence...i'm just saying breh...that's a flimsy argument.


Your postings reek of inferiority complex and an inherent fear of white skin. A real nikka has no such insecurities.

 

[Frostmage]

So fighting for black people's rights isn't culturally black... A mixed dude who's parents were teachers and has an African-American studies degree is some how "not participating in black culture"?

Sounds like you equate black culture with POOR people culture...they are not the same. Unless, black people with money aren't black now


Are you naive enough to believe that YOU have no white influences? If you live in western society then you do...there is no such thing as "mixed people with no white influences"

You speak a white mans language, wear his clothes, use his infrastructure and participate in his economy and you really think you are some how devoid of his influence...i'm just saying breh...that's a flimsy argument.


Your postings reek of inferiority complex and an inherent fear of white skin. A real nikka has no such insecurities.

I really wish my African human ancestors never left Africa and interbred with your sub human ones. You people should have stayed like this:

 

[Black Magisterialness]

I really wish my African human ancestors never left Africa and interbred with your sub human ones. You people people should have stayed like this:

Ad Hominem

 

[Master Teacher]

I stopped reading after contradictions..EDIT: saw the self lynch bit...I really ruffled your feathers, didn't I? Where did I say that Jesse couldn't call himself Black? He can call himself The Great Pumpkin, I still don't want a half white person to be the prominent face of pro Blackness.....I would oppose my own brother doing it. My AfroJewSpanic nephew also would be told to sit his cute little, couldn't tell if he was part Black butt down( I'm still hoping for an Afro, if not there is a Jheri curl in his future)

You're an entitled mixed person who definitely sprang from a whiny, white supremacist uterus that will never understand what pro Blackness really means in the face of the physical and psychological terrorism we've face from white supremacy for almost five hundred years.

You are not an ally to us or else you would realize the need of the many non mixed Black people for visibility and agency in our own Black struggle outweighs the needs of the fewer mixed Blacks to showcase their otherness that reflect the delusion of white supremacy. Your alliance is to the oppressor and your own need for validation, not the pro Black struggle.

You actually remind me of the whiny white women who took offence about the Black Girls Rock TWO HOUR TV show that was broadcasted on a minor cable station that had to be schooled by another white woman.

Let me tell you something, white folks. From one white person to another.

"You are in everything. 99 percent of Hollywood movies feature your faces. 99 percent of magazine covers are covered in you. The Emmy Awards and Oscars are almost entirely you. If you Google “beautiful people” the screen is covered in white faces. Black girls (and boys) are taught from birth that there is one version of beauty, and it is you. Many black girls go their entire lives thinking they are ugly, thinking they need to be lighter, straighter, whiter in order to have value. Everything that you see every day that reaffirms your whiteness; every commercial that has a nice white lady embodying the perfect “mom;” every magazine that has blue eyes and bone-straight hair; every Hollywood blockbuster that has a leading lady with skin never darker than Halle Berry... all of these things are reinforcements of your identity that you take for granted."


Why I'm Not Here for #WhiteGirlsRock

Everything is not about you, nor should it be.

I'm the most pro black person on this site and go in on cac like no other, just stop it, know who you are talking to you?

Contradictions where, not in my post just yours? You're brother is mixed and you're talking crazy shyt, half your family is white, shut the fukk up?

Nobody crowned jesse williams has the face of pro blackness, this something conjured for your weak ass effeminate beta male ass mind, because you wish you was half white like your brother, and this is how you are dealing with your self hate issues.

And once again you are complaining about images of white media lmao, which has nothing to do with this thread, BECAUSE YOU WANT WHITE ACCEPTANCE.

Like I said hang yourself coward, take the anyway you want, chumps like you go out your way of addressing any type confrontation with reality and white surpemacy.

 

[Frostmage]

Ad Hominem

Doesn't it suck to know that SSA have no sub species neanderthal DNA and are stronger, less diseased than you? It really must also chap your asses that a Nigerian kid got into all eight Ivys he applied to, not to mention the amount of Africans that lead in academic fields thus proving they are highly intelligent. Fear of a Black Planet is apparent in you. Go gently into the night, my friend....as you should have done 100,000 years ago.

 

[Frostmage]

I'm the most pro black person on this site and go in on cac like no other, just stop it, know who you are talking to you?

Contradictions where, not in my post just yours? You're brother is mixed and you're talking crazy shyt, half your family is white, shut the fukk up?

Nobody crowned jesse williams has the face of pro blackness, this something conjured for your weak ass effeminate beta male ass mind, because you wish you was half white like your brother, and this is how you are dealing with your self hate issues.

And once again you are complaining about images of white media lmao, which has nothing to do with this thread, BECAUSE YOU WANT WHITE ACCEPTANCE.

Like I said hang yourself coward, take the anyway you want, chumps like you go out your way of addressing any type confrontation with reality and white surpemacy.

 

[Master Teacher]

Typical response when you shut down, tell your mixed brother not to go out too much this summer he might get cancer.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

@Frostmage is a white troll.

 

[Frostmage]

@Frostmage is a white troll.

I hope that's not you in the avatar. I thought you were a woman with how in your feelings you were with the neg rep you gave me. I thought you needed panty liners for your Jessie obsession, instead you want to give him the bussy. Go for it, kween!

 

[Master Teacher]

@Frostmage is a white troll.

I picked up on that too