How could someone stomach watching this game in its entirety?

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It wasnt so much physicality as it was players way past their expiration date playing valuable minutes because of expansion.

Im old enough to remember the Knicks signing old ass Rolando Blackman in 93’ just because MJ said he was his toughest defender back in 88’. :mjlol:

We saw a lot of long in the tooth players get valuable minutes in the 90s. It wasnt tough defense. It was players who had no business still playing professional basketball still playing. :scust:
:pachaha:You’re ABSOLUTELY right about that Blackmon signing. He was supposed to get them over the hump.

Question, if healthy, Bernard and Ewing. How far you think they would’ve gotten together with the Knicks? King left after ‘87, imagine if he never left.
 
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1- Rewatching a mundane game where you already know the outcome is ALWAYS boring. Would I rewatched Boston vs Dallas game 3? fukk no.

2- That can change when the battle is marquee. Bulls-jazz game 6 was like 87-86. Yet it’s >>>>>> any modern game you can name. And not just the last shot, the whole game was pins and needles. High stakes, the drama, the plot line of a potential game 7 in Utah with Pippen hurt, etc. And you can REALLY say the same about Bulls game 7 vs this very pacers squad

3- Some of us actually hooped :umad: And as you age, ‘those who can’t, teach’. So there is ALWAYS something at the heart of the game that still hasn’t changed that is appealing. Ie watching pros run the same offensive and defense sets and following the same principles you were taught in MIDDLE school.

But, if you not from a hooper cloth I’m speaking. Chinese to you :mjgrin:


Basketball fandom died when dweebs became the loudest voice. Dudes who caused fights bc neither side wanted to be stuck with them in the run. :beli:That’s who’s driving the cynical, disengenous discourse of NBA fandom
 

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:pachaha:You’re ABSOLUTELY right about that Blackmon signing. He was supposed to get them over the hump.

Question, if healthy, Bernard and Ewing. How far you think they would’ve gotten together with the Knicks? King left after ‘87, imagine if he never left.
Pat deserved better. He and Bernard along with Mark or Rod wouldve gotten over the hump once vs the Bulls. Pat had a combustible two in Starks. :scust:
 

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And youre here pretending that a mid January game between two bad teams is akin to me posting two of the BEST TEAMS IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE IN 1994. :scust:

I've learned to not debate fools. Those complaining about bad basketball today look at Chicago Bulls or Charlotte Hornets games. Those are bad teams so they gonna jack up 3s. That's the only chance they can win is hope they are hot from 3 that night
 

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No, Im not. Im old enough to have watched the 80s NBA and in REAL TIME call the 90s shyt I was watching, crap.

Yes you are. I watched it too. I agree that the 90’s wasn’t good as people make it out to be, heck I’ve said this a few times. You’re not the only :flabbynsick: one this board.

However, you’re dogging the era based on what you like, which puts you in the same boat of today’s naysayers. Everyone who witnessed the 90’s doesn’t feel the way you do, fans liked that 90’s low scoring style because of the physicality, intensity, and defense. You don’t. Guilty.
Offense was so deep in the gutter that the league moved in the 3 point line. The best team of the decade had 3 non scorers in the starting lineup with their 2nd best player missing half the season in 1997-98 and they finished 1st, 1st, and 9th in offense those years. Utah was 1 made shot/defensive stop away from hosting a game 7 in the finals with their 2nd and 3rd scorers combining for less than 21 points per game in the series. Offense was just plain bad. The year MJ was playing baseball a team came within a couple made shots of winning it all despite their 2 best players shooting 36% and 36.4% from the field on the finals.



This guy mythnix on twitter did a deep breakdown on how badly offense declined across the league as the decade wore on that I’ll try to find. The short version is that the best offensive minds started leaving and so many prospects didn’t pan out while the league expanded by almost 30% in less than a decade so athe product became horribly watered down. NYC rebel is the one who found his thread about how bad the Jazz were every spring.
 

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:pachaha:You’re ABSOLUTELY right about that Blackmon signing. He was supposed to get them over the hump.

Question, if healthy, Bernard and Ewing. How far you think they would’ve gotten together with the Knicks? King left after ‘87, imagine if he never left.

When Starks was so off in game 7 against Houston, Riley never put Blackman in the game.

It might have been because Riley was pissed at Rolando for publicly challenging Riley’s “no wives allowed on the trip” rule.


Even those who’d never doubted Riley were second-guessing his choice to keep Starks on the floor. “I wonder if maybe this would be the time for us to take a shot with [backup Rolando] Blackman,” ex–Knicks coach Red Holzman said as he watched the action from the crowd. (“It’s the closest I ever heard Red come to even mildly construing a disagreement with Pat,” says Ed Tapscott, then a member of New York’s front office, who was sitting next to Holzman during Game 7.)

Meanwhile, the Rockets were counting their blessings. “[Starks is] our best player right now,” Houston guard Scott Brooks recalls thinking from the bench that day. “After a while, his shot looked more like a medicine ball, with how much he was struggling to shoot it. All of us on the bench—players, coaches—kept waiting, thinking Pat was going to use Blackman. Because for years [with the Mavericks], he’d just killed us, and we couldn’t stop him, no matter how hard we tried.”

You have to go back two and a half weeks earlier, to what took place right after the Knicks’ Game 7 victory over Indiana in the Eastern Conference finals, to understand how the Rolando Blackman dilemma might have come into play against the Rockets.

The Knicks players, who collectively had zero rings, were in a great mood, having just won the biggest game of their careers. Riley had just congratulated them in the locker room. The next step was to head down to Houston.

But before dispersing, Blackman asked Riley a question: Could the players bring their wives along for the trip? Riley’s answer, in front of the entire team, was a swift no.

The four-time All-Star failed to understand the logic and pushed back—something that rarely happened with Riley, the league’s highest-paid coach and one with four rings to his credit. Blackman asked for an explanation.

But Riley simply repeated his answer from before: Wives wouldn’t be making the trip to Houston.

The tone of the exchange stunned the players, not only because they hadn’t seen Riley challenged that way in front of the group before, but also because of Riley’s terse response to such a respected veteran.

To an almost comical degree, Riley was a staunch believer in being either in or out as far as his teams were concerned. During his first training camp with New York, he overheard a phone conversation between team president Dave Checketts and Checketts’s wife, Deborah, who was purchasing an SUV. When she floated the idea of getting a green Chevy Suburban, Checketts said that was fine. But it wasn’t fine with Riley.

“She can’t buy a green car, Dave. Green is the Celtics,” Riley said.

Checketts began laughing, thinking Riley was making a joke. But Riley was completely serious.

When Checketts relayed that green wouldn’t work, his wife suggested red as an alternative. Again, Checketts was fine with that. And again, Riley wasn’t. “What? Red is the Bulls,” Riley said.

Checketts finally relented, telling his wife not to bring home anything other than a blue Suburban. But that was how Riley was wired. You were either in or you were out, down to the color of your car.

So when Blackman never got subbed into Game 7—despite the fact that he enjoyed a career-best scoring average against the Rockets, and despite Starks’s arctic spell—his teammates wondered whether the exchange with Riley had something to do with it. Blackman wondered, too.

“I don’t know if that caused some interior backlash or played a role in [Riley’s] choice,” says Blackman, who hadn’t played in the series prior to Game 7.
 

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Lot of folks don’t even realize that the pistons were entirely irrelevant after their 1991 loss to the bulls. They barely got past a :flabbynsick: Celtics team where Larry played like crap and missed a game. They won 3-4 super close games and had a 30+ point loss during that series. Then they didn’t win another playoff series until 2002 or 2003.




Most 90’s teams were unwatchable. The league expanded by 6 teams in 8 years and Orlando was the only one who caught a break early on so they could get good fast. The nets, 76ers, hornets, hawks, bucks, cavaliers after 1992, bullets, grizzlies, raptors, timberwolves, mavericks, nuggets outside of 1994 which is really on Seattle choking, kings, and clippers off the top of my head were irrelevant the whole era. It was the oldest, slowest, and lowest scoring era in league history by a pretty large margin. It’s a major outlier in league history how slow and low scoring things got.
Yep what carried the league was that the individual superstars were great and stuck out from the rest of the shytty teams. The diluted talent actually helped the big stars.

Nowadays it's the opposite. The average player can shoot 3s and euro step, so few stars outside of Curry and Bron stick out
 

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This has got lost in the rapid cycle of social media. Shaq ruined that show and really helped foster a lot of the division that we see today.

He only joined that show to help build his brand. IMO he doesn't even like basketball.

I stopped watching the show after his arrival
 

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Basketball fandom died when dweebs became the loudest voice.
Yahtzee! Dweebs have control of the media period. Call me :mjpls: but I still feel a way hearing white dudes in media who never played, criticize majority Black sports like Basketball and Football. Something just never seemed right to me listening to these non-players/coaches who didn’t grow up around Blacks having the audacity to critique how they walk, talk, and play. These are the dweebs that you speak of.

The same dweebs that destroyed OUR sneaker culture, the same dweebs who took over with “training” our basketball kids and capitalizing off of them. I hate seeing white dudes being so called,”gurus”, of young player development. They copied off us!

These are same dweebs that hire the Stephen A. Smiths of the world and pay them to parrot the BS so that it’ll be, “better”, coming from a Black man. And then thrown his ass to make the players into the villians when they choose to speak up for themselves. Then that niqqa SA get 2 niqqas. Them 2 niqqas get 4 niqqas. Them 4 niqqas get 5 more niqqas, them 5 niqqas get more niqqas…and here we are today’s messed up basketball media. Dweebs.

The so called, “New media”, coined by Draymond, will go overboard to clean up the false narratives created by dweeb media, and make themselves look stupid just like them. There’s no balance. Example, Bron says media coverage is too negative, but forgets when everyone was heads over heels with him and Bronny playin together in the beginning of the season. That’s all we saw on TV, he was cool with that. But when he proclaimed that his son was better than most players presently in the NBA even before he set foot on the floor, he didn’t realize how he disrespected HIS fellow player frat. Media dweebs suck, but players give them fuel and don’t like when they’re called out on it. Balance.
 
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Call me :mjpls: but I still feel a way hearing white dudes in media who never played, criticize majority Black sports like Basketball and Football. Something just never seemed right to me listening to these non-players/coaches who didn’t grow up around Blacks having the audacity to critique how they walk, talk, and play. These are the dweebs that you speak of.

The same dweebs that destroyed OUR sneaker culture, the same dweebs who took over with “training” our basketball kids and capitalizing off of them. I hate seeing white dudes being so called,”gurus”, of young player development. They copied off us!

:banderas: Yep. I been speaking on this since 2022

As with many things white folk have said screw being the talent we gon own all the auxiliary career paths. White boys teaching dribble moves that were created on the playground and giving them formal names.

Just like how 95% of rappers are black but it feel like 50% of DJs and producers are white
 
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