How can you claim to be against white supremacy, but still perpetuate its legacy?

[MeachTheMonster]

Deflections. You do know that disagreeing with something is not the same as DISPROVING it right?
You're the one who disagrees, so the burden of proof is on you.
Again, Explain how blacks as a whole are better off since integration. With proof. I'll wait

the original statement would have to be proven first in order to be disproven. you cant just throw random statement out and say "disprove it"

but anyway ive given proof of my stance

less poverty
more wealth
less drug use
more education
higher life expectancy
lower infant mortality rate
less crime
better overall quality of life
amongst other things.

so now I ask. Explain how black people are worse off since integration.

 

[marcuz]

the original statement would have to be proven first in order to be disproven. you cant just throw random statement out and say "disprove it"

but anyway ive given proof of my stance

less poverty
more wealth
less drug use
more education
higher life expectancy
lower infant mortality rate
less crime
better overall quality of life
amongst other things.

so now I ask. Explain how black people are worse off since integration.

there is not less poverty and more wealth. schools are just as segregated now as they were then.

using stuff like higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate, etc, those are from medical/technological advances that comes with time. i'm sure we'll live longer and have lower infant mortality in 50 yrs. but if we're still at the bottom of the totem economci totem pole, does that mean we've progressed?:

 

[MeachTheMonster]

there is not less poverty and more wealth.

Yes there is

schools are just as segregated now as they were then.

No they aren't

using stuff like higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate, etc, those are from medical/technological advances that comes with time.

Advances we wouldn't have without integration

i'm sure we'll live longer and have lower infant mortality in 50 yrs. but if we're still at the bottom of the totem economci totem pole, does that mean we've progressed?:

Yes we've progressed from being largely unemployed, and uneducated.

Now again you've yet to show any proof of your stance. Just empty rhetoric.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

the original statement would have to be proven first in order to be disproven. you cant just throw random statement out and say "disprove it"

but anyway ive given proof of my stance

less poverty
more wealth
less drug use
more education
higher life expectancy
lower infant mortality rate
less crime
better overall quality of life
amongst other things.

so now I ask. Explain how black people are worse off since integration.

are you comparing this to the black community or white community of yesteryears? cause whether integration or not, black folks are still on the bottom in many of those "proofs"?
Integration encouraged folks to be consumers, not entrepreneurs, which is what segregation forced upon the black community, you not building much wealth in comparison between being an employee and not owning a business

 

[marcuz]

Yes there is


No they aren't

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...chools-more-segregated-now-than-40-years-ago/

Advances we wouldn't have without integration

considering this country has advanced in medicine and technology during slavery and jim crow, how do you figure?

Yes we've progressed from being largely unemployed, and uneducated.

Now again you've yet to show any proof of your stance. Just empty rhetoric.

what progression, you fool? you think just because you play xbox and have a smart phone, that black people have progressed? what the fukk is wrong with you

 

[Free White & 21]

the original statement would have to be proven first in order to be disproven. you cant just throw random statement out and say "disprove it"

but anyway ive given proof of my stance

less poverty
more wealth
less drug use
more education
higher life expectancy
lower infant mortality rate
less crime
better overall quality of life
amongst other things.

so now I ask. Explain how black people are worse off since integration.

You have shown no proof of those things being directly related to integration.

Here's how we're worse since "integration" (aka desegregation):

-We own less businesses
-We hardly spend our money at our own businesses
-We no longer attempt to build up our own neighborhoods
-Our children have been taught by our enemies because we own less schools
-Our best and brightest students go to white schools to work at white businesses

I could go on...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...chools-more-segregated-now-than-40-years-ago/

Read headlines without thinking any further brehs. Brehs

From the study in which the headlines were grabbed:

For blacks, more than a third of a century of progress in racial integration has been lost--though the seventeen states which had segregation laws are still far less segregated than in the l950s when state laws enforced apartheid in the schools and the massive resistance of Southern political leaders delayed the impact of Brown for a decade

And the report is of the viewpoint that integration is a good thing and should be further pursed.
quote][/quote]
A YouTube video? Yeah unequivocal proof

considering this country has advanced in medicine and technology during slavery and jim crow, how do you figure?

Isolation stagnates innovation.

what progression, you fool? you think just because you play xbox and have a smart phone, that black people have progressed? what the fukk is wrong with you

I've detailed the progression. What you have not done is given any proof that integration hurt black Americans.

As usual just empty rhetoric

 

[marcuz]

Read headlines without thinking any further brehs. Brehs

What is surprising about these shifts is that they are not leading to more diverse schools. In fact, the Civil Rights Project has shown that black students are just as segregated today as they were in the late 1960s, when serious enforcement of desegregation plans first began following the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

A YouTube video? Yeah unequivocal proof

of course you wouldn't be familiar with dr claud anderson. you need white supremacist to tell you the same thing before you believe it. how about this, show me any stats that show blacks have gained a significant amount of wealth over the last 50-100 yrs.

Isolation stagnates innovation.

then why are homogeneous societies like japan so innovative? you aint making sense. how did integration increase the birthrate or life expectancy? i want direct answers, not bullshyt.

I've detailed the progression. What you have not done is given any proof that integration hurt black Americans.

As usual just empty rhetoric

you have not detailed the progression. schools are still segregated, blacks still dont control anything, our wealth has remained unchanged. your idea of progression is clinging to what "the white supremacist" are doing.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You have shown no proof of those things being directly related to integration.

Here's how we're worse since "integration" (aka desegregation):

-We own less businesses

Not true at all
Why the Growth of Black Businesses is Skyrocketing

It’s clear that over the past 40 years, black businesses have grown more rapidly and into a wider array of industries, from tech and food services to engineering and financial services, than at any previous time in American history. This is due in part to barriers to capital, corporate contracts and government contracts being lowered or eliminated by anti-discrimination legislation and equal opportunity efforts as a result of the triumphs of the 1960s Civil Rights Movement, and the subsequent election of African-American mayors in major cities in the 1970 and 1980s (most notably, Mayor Maynard H. Jackson, Jr. in Atlanta).

-We hardly spend our money at our own businesses

You got any proof of this or is it just more empty words?

-We no longer attempt to build up our own neighborhoods

We didn't "build" our neighborhoods then. We were placed there and made the best out if it.

Besides that there are plenty of affluent black neighborhoods today

-Our children have been taught by our enemies because we own less schools

When we owned schools they were poor and built out of necessity. Its why black people of the time wanted desegregation. They weren't this romantic realization of black power that y'all like to claim they were

-Our best and brightest students go to white schools to work at white businesses

What does this even mean? The best and brightest go where their skills are most needed

I could go on...

Do you understand what "proof" is? You need facts and figures. Not just repeated talking points.

of course you wouldn't be familiar with dr claud anderson. you need white supremacist to tell you the same thing before you believe it. how about this, show me any stats that show blacks have gained a significant amount of wealth over the last 50-100 yrs

.
I've already posted proof. Also check above

then why are homogeneous societies like japan so innovative? you aint making sense. how did integration increase the birthrate or life expectancy? i want direct answers, not bullshyt.

You see everything through a lense a race. Yes the majority of the country is Japanese. But their economic/innovative boom didnt come until after world war 2 when they became less isolated and more involved with the world community. Before that they were decades behind countries like the U.S.

Mere access to quality healthcare is what raised out life expectancy rates. Innovation in healthcare is what creates new ideas and methods of caring for people's health.

you have not detailed the progression. schools are still segregated, blacks still dont control anything, our wealth has remained unchanged. your idea of progression is clinging to what "the white supremacist" are doing.

This just isn't true. We control plenty more than we did then. We have more economic and political power. And the quality of life and opportunity for the average black person is much better than it was then

 

[Rekkapryde]

Not true at all
Why the Growth of Black Businesses is Skyrocketing





You got any proof of this or is it just more empty words?


We didn't "build" our neighborhoods then. We were placed there and made the best out if it.

Besides that there are plenty of affluent black neighborhoods today

When we owned schools they were poor and built out of necessity. Its why black people of the time wanted desegregation. They weren't this romantic realization of black power that y'all like to claim they were

What does this even mean? The best and brightest go where their skills are most needed


Do you understand what "proof" is? You need facts and figures. Not just repeated talking points.

.
I've already posted proof. Also check above



You see everything through a lense a race. Yes the majority of the country is Japanese. But their economic/innovative boom didnt come until after world war 2 when they became less isolated and more involved with the world community. Before that they were decades behind countries like the U.S.

Mere access to quality healthcare is what raised out life expectancy rates. Innovation in healthcare is what creates new ideas and methods of caring for people's health.


This just isn't true. We control plenty more than we did then. We have more economic and political power. And the quality of life and opportunity for the average black person is much better than it was then

 

[marcuz]

I've already posted proof. Also check above

you did not post proof of black wealth being gained.

just about every statistical survey shows black wealth stagnating, while the gap between races widens

You see everything through a lense a race. Yes the majority of the country is Japanese. But their economic/innovative boom didnt come until after world war 2 when they became less isolated and more involved with the world community. Before that they were decades behind countries like the U.S.

as someone who has to add "white supremacy" about 5 times in every response, how am i the only seeing everything through race? japanese isn't a race also. america was already involved in the world community during slavery/jim crow. like i said, japan is one of the most homogeneous societies out and they're pretty innovative. so how did integration bring about technological/medical advancements? answer the question directly and stop tap dancing. how did BLACK people attempting to integrate into white communities force technological/medical advancements.

Mere access to quality healthcare is what raised out life expectancy rates. Innovation in healthcare is what creates new ideas and methods of caring for people's health.

what does this have to do with integration?

This just isn't true. We control plenty more than we did then. We have more economic and political power. And the quality of life and opportunity for the average black person is much better than it was then

just because you see more black faces in high places does not mean we have more political or economical power. blacks have not gained wealth, schools are still segregated, we're still facing overt police brutality and discrimination. unemployment still disproportionately high in the black community.

frankly, sounds like you're just regurgitating what the white supremacist taught you.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

you did not post proof of black wealth being gained.

just about every statistical survey shows black wealth stagnating, while the gap between races widens

That starts in the 80s after "trickle down" took hold.

During that same time the wealth gap widened for the entire country. Not just along race lines.

as someone who has to add "white supremacy" about 5 times in every response, how am i the only seeing everything through race? japanese isn't a race also. america was already involved in the world community during slavery/jim crow. like i said, japan is one of the most homogeneous societies out and they're pretty innovative.

Being homogeneous is not the same as purposely segregating yourself.
Before ww2 Japan purposely segregated themselves from the rest of the world. Their technology was well behind because of it. After WW2 they began to open their borders and trade with the rest of the world and their technical innovation skyrocketed.

so how did integration bring about technological/medical advancements? answer the question directly and stop tap dancing. how did BLACK people attempting to integrate into white communities force technological/medical advancements.

I never said integration forced the advancements. I said without integration black doctors would not have access to learn about the advances and also share their findings.

what does this have to do with integration?

Before integration access to quality healthcare was very scarce for black people.

just because you see more black faces in high places does not mean we have more political or economical power. blacks have not gained wealth, schools are still segregated,

Not true as demonstrated above.

we're still facing overt police brutality and discrimination. unemployment still disproportionately high in the black community.

If anything this speaks to the fact that things weren't integrated enough. Inequality was reduced but not eliminated.

But anyway go ask an 80 year old black person about police brutality and poverty when they were coming up.

frankly, sounds like you're just regurgitating what the white supremacist taught you.

Yup white supremacists are total fans of integration.

 

[marcuz]

That starts in the 80s after "trickle down" took hold.

During that same time the wealth gap widened for the entire country. Not just along race lines.

i gave you a video of a black economist/statistician telling you black wealth has not increased in damn near 100 yrs. but you dont believe claud anderson, because he's not white

"the wealth gap widened for the entire country. Not just along race lines"

then why are blacks at the bottom?

Being homogeneous is not the same as purposely segregating yourself.
Before ww2 Japan purposely segregated themselves from the rest of the world. Their technology was well behind because of it. After WW2 they began to open their borders and trade with the rest of the world and their technical innovation skyrocketed.

you're arguing something irrelevant. you said integration fuels innovation. japans society isn't integrated and they're innovative.

I never said integration forced the advancements. I said without integration black doctors would not have access to learn about the advances and also share their findings.

you didn't say that originally, but lets go with it. your stance is black doctors actually fueled technological/medical advancements in the US? do you have any proof

Before integration access to quality healthcare was very scarce for black people.

quality healthcare is STILL scarce for black people living in poverty. at least we had our own black hospitals, which are all but gone now.

Not true as demonstrated above.

you didn't demonstrate shyt. you're the type of guy that thinks blacks are making moves cus they put obama in office.

If anything this speaks to the fact that things weren't integrated enough. Inequality was reduced but not eliminated.

things weren't integrated enough how far up whites ass do you want to go? you cant FORCE white people to accept you. even MLK understood that, which is why he wanted to push for reparations over integration.

But anyway go ask an 80 year old black person about police brutality and poverty when they were coming up.

an 80 yr old black person usually doesn't have to worry about police brutality, and they've more than likely accumulated enough wealth to uplift themselves out of poverty. how about asking some of these younger black folks living in government housing, trapped in generational poverty.

Yup white supremacists are total fans of integration.

white supremacist taught you that blacks are making great strides and racism is over. i mean, look, the president is black. oprah is a billionaire. black people are doing great!

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i gave you a video of a black economist/statistician telling you black wealth has not increased in damn near 100 yrs. but you dont believe claud anderson, because he's not white

"the wealth gap widened for the entire country. Not just along race lines"

then why are blacks at the bottom?

Because that's where we started. Simple math

you're arguing something irrelevant. you said integration fuels innovation. japans society isn't integrated and they're innovative.

They are integrated with the world. Before they integrated themselves with the world community they had no innovation. Simple concept.

you didn't say that originally, but lets go with it. your stance is black doctors actually fueled technological/medical advancements in the US? do you have any proof

Here's just one example of how sharing patients and ideas drove medical innovation
Henrietta Lacks: the mother of modern medicine

There's plenty more though. You got google.

quality healthcare is STILL scarce for black people living in poverty. at least we had our own black hospitals, which are all but gone now.

There's no comparison. People living in poverty do have access to healthcare. Back then even middle class/wealthy black didnt have access to healthcare.

you didn't demonstrate shyt. you're the type of guy that thinks blacks are making moves cus they put obama in office.

Never said anything about Obama. I think black people are making moves cause I see them making moves everyday.

Don't you have certs and a six figure income?

things weren't integrated enough how far up whites ass do you want to go? you cant FORCE white people to accept you. even MLK understood that, which is why he wanted to push for reparations over integration.

The fukk. You really arguing that MLK was against integration

an 80 yr old black person usually doesn't have to worry about police brutality, and they've more than likely accumulated enough wealth to uplift themselves out of poverty. how about asking some of these younger black folks living in government housing, trapped in generational poverty.

Impovershed black people today, have it much better than middle class blacks before integration. There's absolutely no denying that.

white supremacist taught you that blacks are making great strides and racism is over. i mean, look, the president is black. oprah is a billionaire. black people are doing great!

Watching black kids go to college tells me black people are doing well.

Watching black fathers drop their children off at school tells me black people are doing well.

Being able to care for my family better than my father could and better than his father before him, tells me black people are doing well.

The only "proof" that you have that black people aren't is by comparing us to white people.

Its funny y'all say "group economics" "we don't even have to talk to white folks" then your only measure of black success is a comparision to those same white folks

 

[marcuz]

Because that's where we started. Simple math

so blacks have made very little gains over the last 100 yrs simply because "that's where we started" started to sound a lot like those white supremacist.

They are integrated with the world. Before they integrated themselves with the world community they had no innovation. Simple concept.

and the US was already globally integrated as well, what's your point?

Here's just one example of how sharing patients and ideas drove medical innovation
Henrietta Lacks: the mother of modern medicine

There's plenty more though. You got google.

so your best example of "black doctors fueling innovation" is a poor black woman whose body was used for medical research? (by whites) you do realize they did that before integration and during slavery, right?

There's no comparison. People living in poverty do have access to healthcare. Back then even middle class/wealthy black didnt have access to healthcare.

the US ranks 26th in life expectancy because of the poor healthcare blacks are receiving. we were on the right path when we had our own doctors working at black hospitals.

Never said anything about Obama. I think black people are making moves cause I see them making moves everyday.

these individual moves do not reflect the collective. black people were more moves when we had our own grocery stores, hospitals, transit systems, movie theaters, post offices, etc. i can't stress enough that the wealth disparity has remained unchanged. we are not making the moves YOU think we're making.

Don't you have certs and a six figure income?

no, i dont have certs or 6 figure income. but even if i did, would it refute what i'm saying? we had individual "rich blacks" 80 yrs ago.

The fukk. You really arguing that MLK was against integration

"i've come to the realization that i think we may be integrating into a burning house" - king

Impovershed black people today, have it much better than middle class blacks before integration. There's absolutely no denying that.


Watching black kids go to college tells me black people are doing well.

Watching black fathers drop their children off at school tells me black people are doing well.

Being able to care for my family better than my father could and better than his father before him, tells me black people are doing well.

The only "proof" that you have that black people aren't is by comparing us to white people.

Its funny y'all say "group economics" "we don't even have to talk to white folks" then your only measure of black success is a comparision to those same white folks

my "proof" is the % of wealth that has remained unchanged. so yeah, i will compare our wealth to whites. if their median networth is 150k, and ours is 5k, we have a serious fukking problem. nikkas always trynna exist by a different standard.

yet you sit up here wanting to ask dumb questions like "why doesnt hiphop affect whites the same." shyt, maybe because they're living in much superior conditons?