How can you claim to be against white supremacy, but still perpetuate its legacy?

godkiller

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I see a lot of people on this site claiming to be "pro-black" or against white supremacy, but then they turn around and repeat talking points that stem directly from white supremacy itself.

Black on Black crime
Single mothers
Rap music bad influence
Anti-educational culture
Black women want thugs
Crabs in a barrel
The gay agenda
Immigrants coming to take black jobs
Integration was/is a bad thing
Social welfare was/is a bad thing
Who's black enough or not

All ideas brought to us directly by white supremacy.

You really want to end white supremacy, you have to reject all of its ideals that have been indoctrinated into your everyday thinking.

Wake up brehs, a lot of you are perpetuating white supremacy, and you don't even know it.

Your premise is wrong, thus making your entire argument invalid. These arguments don't "stem from white supremacy". White supremacy did not "create" the idea that immigration is bad for black people. This, among other arguments, is merely a line of argument white supremacists use to back up their position when convenient, not arguments which belong to them as a whole. The argument stand alone as relevant and valid points; they aren't necessarily tied to white supremacy. Immigrants do take black jobs, crabs in a barrel do exist and integration is a bad thing. White supremacists will variously advocate for immigration and integration when these arguments are convenient for them. White supremacy is not necessarily for or against immigration or integration or social welfare.
But white supremacy will use all of these talking points when necessary to advance white supremacy. Black people in turn must use these talking points when necessary to advance our talking points.

You err in separating an idea into the "white supremacist" category merely because some white supremacist uses it. If a white supremacists values science and math, following your logic math and science are accordingly "white supremacist ideals". That's absurd and so is your assertion that the arguments you give are "white supremacist". No, they are not.

Under scrutiny your argument is :trash:
 
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Immigrants do take black jobs

No they don't.

White supremacists told you this in order to get you concentrate on the wrong things.
crabs in a barrel do exist
Its called human nature. Has nothing to do with skin color.

and integration is a bad thing.
No, it absolutely is not. Again. They told you this, in order to further place the blame on you and your ancestors and to remove the blame from the continued systemic discrimination.
White supremacists will variously advocate for immigration and integration when these arguments are convenient for them. White supremacy is not necessarily for or against immigration or integration or social welfare.

They are all for divisiveness and misinformation. Its obvious they are doing pretty good at it
 

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Yes, it does.

In his list of things perpetuating white supremacy, OP put "rap music has bad influence".

OP thinks white supremacists "own ideas" merely because some of them use some ideas. White supremacists also use math and science ti imply black inferiority. Should we then rail against math and science and label them as "white supremacist"?
 

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Yes, it does.

In his list of things perpetuating white supremacy, OP put "rap music has bad influence".

OP is me and its about the narrative around rap music. Not simply that it can be a bad influence.

All pop entertainment "CAN" be a bad influence. Only when it comes to black people is it every blamed for poor behavior.

A mother stopping her kids from listening to bad music is fine. A person taking that idea and saying "listening to rap music is why black kids are doing crime and going to jail" is what's wrong and what white supremacy told people to think.
OP thinks white supremacists "own ideas" merely because some of them use some ideas. White supremacists also use math and science ti imply black inferiority. Should we then rail against math and science and label them as "white supremacist"?


They absolutely do own ideas. And they have indoctrinated them into the minds of all Americans.

Its the only way white supremacy persists. Controlling minds and ideas.
 

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No they don't.

White supremacists told you this in order to get you concentrate on the wrong things.

Wrong. I have my own research into how immigration affects Americans and immigration does lead to losses in black employment. That fact has nothing to do with white supremacists like the fact the sky is blue has nothing to do with white supremacists. Mexicans are just another form of white supremacist.


Its called human nature. Has nothing to do with skin color.

Murder is also called human nature. Just because something comes natural to people doesn't make it right. Moreover I never said a non-black person cannot be a crab in a barrel, I said crabs in a barrel do exist.


No, it absolutely is not. Again. They told you this, in order to further place the blame on you and your ancestors and to remove the blame from the continued systemic discrimination.

Integration does more harm for blacks than good. I did not get this from white supremacists; I got this from my own research and experience. I used to be a liberal black drone that believed in liberalism and multiculturalism until I opened my eyes and saw that blacks are frequently on the bottom in both liberal and multicultural societies. Blacks in said societies are isolated, confused and self-loathing. When I looked for the best examples of black unity and culture and community, I found it in the countries of my forbears: in homogeneous countries. And then I looked at the East Asian and Scandinavian countries, which are virtually segregated and homogeneous, and realized that success is possible WITHOUT integration and maybe even BECAUSE of homogeneity. The white supremacists did not tell me anything.


They are all for divisiveness and misinformation. Its obvious they are doing pretty good at it

No, white supremacists are for the white race's racial supremacy (or conversely the black race's inferiority). They change their arguments depending on what best supports their cause. For example, sme white supremacists advocate for immigration when they think it will advance their cause, like when racists jeer at blacks as Mexicans or Asians take over formerly black majority LA or NY boroughs, and ethnically cleanse it of black patrons. Some white supremacists advocate for integration when it involves stealing territory from blacks like in the case of white gentrification or colonialism. What you don't realize is that white supremacist's arguments are fungible (replaceable) and only a means to an end (white superiority). The arguments are like weapons guarding the castle (white superiority). A machine gun stands alone as an a weapon like an argument against immigration stands as a argument. It can be used for good or evil. You must stop focusing on the ideas themselves or the weapons and focus instead on what the ideas or weapons are mounted to defend.
 
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They absolutely do own ideas. And they have indoctrinated them into the minds of all Americans.

Its the only way white supremacy persists. Controlling minds and ideas.

White supremacists own no ideas. They parrot ideas in order to support their ideology, like a physicist uses math to support his theory, but the math stands alone and is not intrinsically tied to any physicists merely because a physicist happens to employ it to one end or another. Similarly an idea doesn't lose validity or relevancy because a white supremacist uses it to the wrong ends like math doesn't lose validity or relevancy because a poor physicist uses it to the wrong ends. Ideas stand alone and should be judged that way.

The white supremacists does control minds through their rhetoric and idea use, but not necessarily in the way you think. The white supremacists, after all, has managed to convince you that many ideas are forbidden merely b/c the white supremacist has used them (and not when convenient)! The ultimate mind control is that which the white supremacist has convinced you to place upon yourself (using nothing more but words)!

Chess, not checkers!
 
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If you're going to call people out then call people out. Just standing up to bytch and moan about people in general mentioning nobody in particular is so bytchmade.

What does white supremacy talking points have to do with the gay agenda? The peopoe responsible for creating/pushing the gay agenda are white supremacists:mindblown:
 

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Wrong. I have my own research into how immigration affects Americans and immigration does lead to losses in black employment. That fact has nothing to do with white supremacists like the fact the sky is blue has nothing to do with white supremacists. Mexicans are just another form of white supremacist.
What's some of this research you have done?


Murder is also called human nature. Just because something comes natural to people doesn't make it right. Moreover I never said a non-black person cannot be a crab in a barrel, I said crabs in a barrel do exist.
The term "crabs in a barrel" refers specifically to black people. When white people take advantage of others its called "good business"


Integration does more harm for blacks than good. I did not get this from white supremacists; I got this from my own research and experience. I used to be a liberal black drone that believed in liberalism and multiculturalism until I opened my eyes and saw that blacks are frequently on the bottom in both liberal and multicultural societies. Blacks in said societies are isolated, confused and self-loathing. When I looked for the best examples of black unity and culture and community, I found it in the countries of my forbears: in homogeneous countries. And then I looked at the East Asian and Scandinavian countries, which are virtually segregated and homogeneous, and realized that success is possible WITHOUT integration and maybe even BECAUSE of homogeneity. The white supremacists did not tell me anything.
You, just like the other guys in this thread have a very poor view of black people today.

Its the only reason you would say the things you are saying.

White supremacy is what gave you all those negative views about about black people.

"Weak, confused, self loathing, lacking culture and community"

That's not the black people I see.




No, white supremacists are for the white race's racial supremacy (or conversely the black race's inferiority). They change their arguments depending on what best supports their cause. For example, sme white supremacists advocate for immigration when they think it will advance their cause, like when racists jeer at blacks as Mexicans or Asians take over formerly black majority LA or NY boroughs, and ethnically cleanse it of black patrons. Some white supremacists advocate for integration when it involves stealing territory from blacks like in the case of white gentrification or colonialism. What you don't realize is that white supremacist's arguments are fungible (replaceable) and only a means to an end (white superiority). The arguments are like weapons guarding the castle (white superiority). A machine gun stands alone as an a weapon like an argument against immigration stands as a argument. It can be used for good or evil. You must stop focusing on the ideas themselves or the weapons and focus instead on what the ideas or weapons are mounted to defend.
White supremacy persist by making everyone else "other"
 

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OP is me and its about the narrative around rap music. Not simply that it can be a bad influence.

All pop entertainment "CAN" be a bad influence. Only when it comes to black people is it every blamed for poor behavior.

A mother stopping her kids from listening to bad music is fine. A person taking that idea and saying "listening to rap music is why black kids are doing crime and going to jail" is what's wrong and what white supremacy told people to think.

No. Some black people came to that conclusion by themselves. Black people don't need white supremacists to be very critic of their own community and it's a good thing.

And I repeat OP wrote : "rap music has bad influence". Don't change his words.
 

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White supremacists own no ideas. They parrot ideas in order to support their ideology, like a physicist uses math to support his theory, but the math stands alone and is not intrinsically tied to any physicists merely because a physicist happens to employ it to one end or another. Similarly an idea doesn't lose validity or relevancy because a white supremacist uses it to the wrong ends like math doesn't lose validity or relevancy because a poor physicist uses it to the wrong ends. Ideas stand alone and should be judged that way.
To use your analogy here. If a person comes up with a theory based on bad math that is proven wrong. Another person can't come along later with the same wrong theory but claim they used a different method.

The white supremacists does control minds through their rhetoric and idea use, but not necessarily in the way you think. The white supremacists, after all, has managed to convince you that many ideas are forbidden merely b/c the white supremacist has used them (and not when convenient)! The ultimate mind control is that which the white supremacist has convinced you to place upon yourself (using nothing more but words)!

Chess, not checkers!
I never said any ideas are forbidden. I said some ideas are simply wrong, and inspired by white supremacy.
 
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OP thinks white supremacists "own ideas" merely because some of them use some ideas. White supremacists also use math and science ti imply black inferiority. Should we then rail against math and science and label them as "white supremacist"?

Yeah.

Most black people speaking against Hip-Hop are doing that because they care about their people.
 

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No. Some black people came to that conclusion by themselves. Black people don't need white supremacists to be very critic of their own community and it's a good thing.
Never said they did. I said some of the specific narratives i posted in the OP stem directly from white supremacy and/or perpetuate it.

Never said anyone was told anything. Its the institution of white supremacy that leads to the ideas.

And I repeat OP wrote : "rap music has bad influence". Don't change his words.
I am the OP I'm not changing my words. "Rap music is a bad influence" refers to the talking point blaming black music for the ails of black people.
 
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