How Black Middle-Class Kids Become Poor Adults

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

I know cats that still go to the clubs on the regular doing this same shyt. barely have shyt in their bank, but will spend it all that night to give the impression of having bread. I mean we are all in our 30's. why behave like this?

In my opinion they do it for the following:

Instant gratification, "the gram", or just plain ole underdeveloped minds as a few posters on here call it along with many other negative qualities to long to list. I used to also associate this type of behavior with uneducated folks but you would be surprised at how many accomplished and educated people surround themselves with individuals of lower "status" or quality to feel better about themselves and often mirror the behavior and traits of these lowly individuals.

I once had a mental midget tell me that she was "righteous in her sexual exploration" because she hasn't spawned any children from these relations. Oh, and before you ask, the woman is knocking on 40, single and literally on banging the door down on depression. She sees no correlation between her actions of past and present day situation. Mind you, she was middle class but hung out with trash in school because "they were cool".

 

[philmonroe]

This thread has a lot of,truth but this is honestly a people problem not just black people problem even though we are talking about blacks. I just don't like when people romanticize whites and other groups. They got this that and the other when in most cases you can have the same stuff its honestly just a matter of your parents not being up on things. Everything people have said about leaving money, etc that seems to be attributed to other groups my family has done so its possible we just need more black people to be up on this stuff. Now y'all know so its no reason your kids can't have it better than y'all did.

 

[philmonroe]

In my opinion they do it for the following:

Instant gratification, "the gram", or just plain ole underdeveloped minds as a few posters on here call it along with many other negative qualities to long to list. I used to also associate this type of behavior with uneducated folks but you would be surprised at how many accomplished and educated people surround themselves with individuals of lower "status" or quality to feel better about themselves and often mirror the behavior and traits of these lowly individuals.

I once had a mental midget tell me that she was "righteous in her sexual exploration" because she hasn't spawned any children from these relations. Oh, and before you ask, the woman is knocking on 40, single and literally on banging the door down on depression. She sees no correlation between her actions of past and present day situation. Mind you, she was middle class but hung out with trash in school because "they were cool".

I'm going to be honest I don't really get into what others are doing on stuff like clubbing unless I'm paying their bills and or they are a burden to me. That's not often at all by the way if ever lol. Otherwise honestly this type of,stuff comes off as uppity I'm better than people talk IMO.

 

[Originalman]

It's obvious to me. Black people have no networks, no old boys club, no nothing.

We step out at 18 into enemy territory occupied by people who hate us and want to see us fail.

You could call it regression to the mean but it's more than that. somebody out there has put a lot of effort into making sure we stay exactly where we are..

Not only that but the manufacturing and government jobs which mostly created the black middle class is shrinking and the jobs have been moved to the south or overseas.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

I'm going to be honest I don't really get into what others are doing on stuff like clubbing unless I'm paying their bills and or they are a burden to me. That's not often at all by the way if ever lol. Otherwise honestly this type of,stuff comes off as uppity I'm better than people talk IMO.

On the surface, yes we can ignore issues and treat everything as not my problem; however, how would society/communities advance if everyone simply mind their business?

 

[philmonroe]

On the surface, yes we can ignore issues and treat everything as not my problem; however, how would society/communities advance if everyone simply mind their business?

I just don't think this is a big enough problem that's why its not worth it IMO. People posting/stunting on the gram, clubbing, etc isn't big at all in the grand scheme of things. Its not noble to tell people to stop doing these things. If they were shooting drugs, not paying bills, taking care of kids, yeah that's worth saying something but the stuff you mentioned is more personal choices than any type of worthwhile stuff to tell people about. Just like you said a lot of people do it to feel better about theirselves so why try to downplay their way of doing because you don't like how they do it?

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

I just don't think this is a big enough problem that's why its not worth it IMO. People posting/stunting on the gram, clubbing, etc isn't big at all in the grand scheme of things. Its not noble to tell people to stop doing these things. If they were shooting drugs, not paying bills, taking care of kids, yeah that's worth saying something but the stuff you mentioned is more personal choices than any type of worthwhile stuff to tell people about. Just like you said a lot of people do it to feel better about theirselves so why try to downplay their way of doing because you don't like how they do it?

Because you "believe" that it isn't that big of a problem doesn't mean that it isn't. There are plenty of things we believe that simply aren't true. Im talking facts here. The OP said people are stunting and are known to be putting themselves into debt to do such. If that isn't a problem for you, cool; but lets not act like its not a problem in the grand scheme of things. It is proven that personal choices have effects on not only the individual themselves, but others who are indirectly or directly involved.

Take the emotion out of your posts, read OPs post then read what I said. I am using facts and logic and not a simplistic view of variables.

 

[philmonroe]

Because you "believe" that it isn't that big of a problem doesn't mean that it isn't. There are plenty of things we believe that simply aren't true. Im talking facts here. The OP said people are stunting and are known to be putting themselves into debt to do such. If that isn't a problem for you, cool; but lets not act like its not a problem in the grand scheme of things. It is proven that personal choices have effects on not only the individual themselves, but others who are indirectly or directly involved.

Take the emotion out of your posts, read OPs post then read what I said. I am using facts and logic and not a simplistic view of variables.

Please don't go down the I'm emotional road that is straight up chick shyt my dude. Its nothing in these post going back and forth that has anything emotional in it.

Now that that's out of the way your first sentence could be turned right around on you too. There are really no facts on either side just anecdotal evidence. I also don't like when people don't read because they might be hype to type up a response. I already said if a person is putting themselves into debt that wasn't cool so,how did you miss that part? Your not using facts at all because you know a person or two who fits the narrative don't mean that's all or most people at all. Most people I know that do the stuff you are talking about are just as regular from a living perspective as you and I. Most people also have been about making theirselves feel better so its nothing new just new ways of doing it.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

Please don't go down the I'm emotional road that is straight up chick shyt my dude. Its nothing in these post going back and forth that has anything emotional in it.

Now that that's out of the way your first sentence could be turned right around on you too. There are really no facts on either side just anecdotal evidence. I also don't like when people don't read because they might be hype to type up a response. I already said if a person is putting themselves into debt that wasn't cool so,how did you miss that part? Your not using facts at all because you know a person or two who fits the narrative don't mean that's all or most people at all. Most people I know that do the stuff you are talking about are just as regular from a living perspective as you and I. Most people also have been about making theirselves feel better so its nothing new just new ways of doing it.

You are emotional. Where did I not list facts in my post? I only read what you quoted me on. I have not read all of your comments in the thread. Lastly most people do stuff like go into debt etc as far as living perspectives; however, they outgrow it and that was my original point. At some point, folks have to stop doing these things and graduate to a different stage was my point. Where did you get lost in that statement?

 

[philmonroe]

You are emotional. Where did I not list facts in my post? I only read what you quoted me on. I have not read all of your comments in the thread. Lastly most people do stuff like go into debt etc as far as living perspectives; however, they outgrow it and that was my original point. At some point, folks have to stop doing these things and graduate to a different stage was my point. Where did you get lost in that statement?

Im emotional because I disagree with you? That's straight chick shyt but online for some reason dudes want somebody to be mad and or emotional because of the, for some strange reason. Where didn't you not list facts? Everywhere stuff you posting is based off a few people not indicative of most people at all. I never got lost in your statements they aren't deep. I'm just saying you worried about people at the clubs when its way bigger stuff to worry about. That's my point you focused on silly stuff that doesn't even affect most people. If you know a bunch of people like the post I quoted I feel sorry for you.

Also I'm just responding to the post I quoted of yours not the whole thread. Where did you get lost in that? Anyway I see we not going to agree so you can post your reply but I will just agree to disagree at this point. Peace

 

[godkiller]

It's really just white privilege and a lack of black people attaining education.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Is this only a black phenomenon? What about Asians and Latinos? Any census on were they fall on this issue?

 

[Wild self]

whats crazy is this dude has two parents that are still together. hell, they have been black business owners since before I met him and that was over 20 years ago. no its not like he don't have a good role model.

Guess he figured out that portraying himself as an underachieving bum with social credibility is better than a "square" that came from a good upbringing.

 

[Wild self]

In my opinion they do it for the following:

Instant gratification, "the gram", or just plain ole underdeveloped minds as a few posters on here call it along with many other negative qualities to long to list. I used to also associate this type of behavior with uneducated folks but you would be surprised at how many accomplished and educated people surround themselves with individuals of lower "status" or quality to feel better about themselves and often mirror the behavior and traits of these lowly individuals.

I once had a mental midget tell me that she was "righteous in her sexual exploration" because she hasn't spawned any children from these relations. Oh, and before you ask, the woman is knocking on 40, single and literally on banging the door down on depression. She sees no correlation between her actions of past and present day situation. Mind you, she was middle class but hung out with trash in school because "they were cool".

Thats the fukked up part. Our lower class is associated with being the "real" culture. From fashion to music to slang, our underachieving black folk are the ones that get worshipped to death.

 

[Danny Up]

You're fillibustering under the guise of giving critical critique, which is nonsensical. I know your MO though. You're contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, especially when dealing with issues of black empowerment. Basically, you're a troll.

None of what you stated takes away from anything I stated. Regardless of the anecdotal gibberish you provided, blacks need to focus on their own businesses and their own pockets. This isn't about Kumbaya.....this is about practical action steps to alleviate poverty and mistreatment.

Peace

Nah, you're an idealist. I'm a realist. I don't pretend that black people woes are solely from being poor and mistreated. Once upon a time it MAY have been true, but today, no. Black people as a whole have to take responsibility. All the black businesses in the world will not fix whats wrong with the black community. A neighborhood store in the hood MAY make the owner an ok living, but it's not going to make him rich and if it affords him a decent living, he's not going to pay the employees a living wage or offer benefits. Yeah, he can help them cheat the system with under the table pay and the like, but in the grand scheme of things he's doing what? You want him to build a playground? Why will the black guys playground have a better fate than the one put up by the City/State?