Again, since you didn't seem to get it the first time. Popularity or notoriety outside of the city isn't as important as representation and visibility INSIDE the city. The local black culture is a more intrinsic part of Houston's identity than and is much more visible and ubiquitous here than chi's local black culture is inside Chicago. I gave clear examples of that all the way to the level of our official sports team and mayor(s) on top of blacks contributing a lot of firsts and greatests to our city. You can't do the same for Chicago so that argument is a dud on your part.
Chicago is known for blues, gospel, and house(which ain't even associate with aados culture today).
Houston is known for blues, zydeco, and rock and roll(also not associated with aados culture today).
Houston is produced some of the greatest blues guitarist ever like Lightnin Hopkins and Albert Collins(who jimi hendrix cited as an influence many times), not to mention was home of the largest black owned record company before Mo Town, Duke-Peacock, which developed an R&B style which was become hugely influential in the development in Rock & Roll. Big mama Thorton and Little Richard were signed and recorded here, and Goree Carters "rock awhile" is one of the strongest candidates for the first true rock & roll song. Sounds like we register to me.
Neither city was a huge jazz player. Although we did have the Crusaders(charted #1 jazz albums, #3 black albums, #15 pop albums), the Laws family(grammy nominee), and The Kashmere Stage Band, the most successful black high school band in history, doing tours all the way in Japan.
And yeah lets not mention contributions to hip hop, cuz Chi don't even come close to the H when it comes to that. Of all major genres this is the most recent one and the one where we smoke y'all the worst, ESPECIALLY if you're talking from cultural aspect. Our Hip Hop scene is much richer, thicker, and more influential than y'alls is. We created the 1st(or 2nd depending on how you look at Uncle Luke) indie hip hop label Rap A Lot which largely pioneer southern Hip Hop, which was home of the legend status group the Geto Boys, and was responsible for breaking some of y'all early hip hop artist like Do or Die. In 2018 Travis Scott had second highest selling album of the year and the second most charted songs on the billboard both after Drake(a rapper who bites off H town culture). And furthermore and most importantly we turnt our whole city out with our scene which created an entire subculture that has been adopted as part of our entire city's identity and used to help market it as a 'cool' modern southern city to live and visit. Why you think the slang term "H town" which was introduced by the local hip hop scene is the most popular nickname for Houston today? What other city do you know that has happened in. Even white soccer moms in the white neighborhoods in Houston know about lean, slabs, chopped and screwed music and DJ screw and how to throw up the H. The bbc ain't doing documentaries on Chi hip hop. There's a reason Nipsey Hussle and Lil Wayne dedicated whole songs to the hip hop culture in my city and not Chicago's. There's a reason ASAP Rock and Drake bite off the Houston sound and culture and not Chicago's. There a reason everyone talking about they drippin or got the drip and talking about double cupping & lean. Until recently all y'all really had was a few popular super stars like Kayne, who's more associated with the east coast and is more known for his outburst and antics than music nowadays and Lupe. The drill movement is the first time y'all actually have a real live successful organic grass roots rap scene. And that shyt fell off almost as quick as it came in.
From the the beginning I made it clear I was referring to established AADOS communities, not a St. Dominiquean mullato individual in colonial French North America who established a trading post in what would later become the incorporated city of Chicago in 1833(3 years before Houston) that didn't even stay there permanently later moved to Missouri with his family and died there. Cuz if that's the case the Houston area was the landing place of the "first black man in America", Estevanico the moor, in 1528 in Galveston Island, TX. So, we got y'all beat there too.
Houston was founded in 1836 three years after Chicago was and black slaves were the ones who cleared the land and dredged the swamps for the the city to be built from the very beginning and have been at least a quarter of the population ever since.
Houston vs Chicago black percentage -
As you can see Houston was proportionately MUCH blacker than Chicago during this time. And it doesn't matter much that they were mostly enslaved before 1865, as they were still a distinct community of people. The first black church in the Houston area was a congregation for the enslaved established in Galveston TX in 1840, and in Houston proper in 1848. Both still exist today.
Bronzeville is the oldest black neighborhood in Chicago, but is actually a transitional neighborhood that was established as the Forrestville Settlement, and then Grand Boulevard before becoming Bronzeville and originally settled by white Irish, Scottish, and English, and then German Jews in the 1900s. Bronzeville didn't become majority black until after 1920 and had virtually zero blacks before 1890.
Whereas Freedmen's Town in 4th ward Houston was founded and built completely from the ground up by free slaves who bought the cheap empty swampy parcels of land in 1865 as an all black settlement from the very beginning, hence the signature shotgun style houses that line the streets of the hood which is a traditional African-American architectural style. There are at least 11 of such historically all black settlements within the city proper of Houston. Freedmen's Town was also the sight of Camp Logan which housed the 24th Infrantry Regiment of the Buffalo soldiers, which was the sight of the Camp Logan riots, in which the soldiers committed munity as a backlash to the police brutality against one of the soldiers who intervened on two white cops brutalizing a black woman. It's one of only two race riots in American history in which white deaths, 16 including 5 cops, were higher than the black deaths(DC red summer riots was the other). And is tied with the Micah X shooting in Dallas for the most cop deaths done by a black man. In other words them brehs beat the shyt out them cacs somethin serious here.
African-Americans in the Houston area also participated in the Battle of Galveston as sailors for the Union Army before being captured and sold into slavery in Houston proper.
https://exhibits.library.rice.edu/exhibits/show/dikk-dowling/slavery-and-sabine-pass/5
Just off the top of my head.
Art-
LA black culture has exported more than just gang culture. They also exported gangster rap, g funk, hood movies, various slang, and even though it's technically a Mexican creation, lowriders.
LA black culture is definitely more influential nationally than Bay Area black culture. The vast majority of the most famous rappers from Cali are from LA. Bay Area black culture is hyperlocalized, but HIGHLY influential within the bay. Moreso than LA local black culture is inside of LA.
Mexicans in LA tend to accuse Mexicans in the Bay of "acting black" because they're more influenced by black bay culture than LA mexicans are by LA black culture.
Same thing for Asians. See :50-1:10 & 4:10-5:37
Houston black culture tends to function more like the Bays, and not so much LAs. Atlanta's black culture is more comparable to LA's in that regard. Get it?
That enough for ya or should I continue?
Chicago is known for blues, gospel, and house(which ain't even associate with aados culture today).
Houston is known for blues, zydeco, and rock and roll(also not associated with aados culture today).
Houston is produced some of the greatest blues guitarist ever like Lightnin Hopkins and Albert Collins(who jimi hendrix cited as an influence many times), not to mention was home of the largest black owned record company before Mo Town, Duke-Peacock, which developed an R&B style which was become hugely influential in the development in Rock & Roll. Big mama Thorton and Little Richard were signed and recorded here, and Goree Carters "rock awhile" is one of the strongest candidates for the first true rock & roll song. Sounds like we register to me.
Neither city was a huge jazz player. Although we did have the Crusaders(charted #1 jazz albums, #3 black albums, #15 pop albums), the Laws family(grammy nominee), and The Kashmere Stage Band, the most successful black high school band in history, doing tours all the way in Japan.
And yeah lets not mention contributions to hip hop, cuz Chi don't even come close to the H when it comes to that. Of all major genres this is the most recent one and the one where we smoke y'all the worst, ESPECIALLY if you're talking from cultural aspect. Our Hip Hop scene is much richer, thicker, and more influential than y'alls is. We created the 1st(or 2nd depending on how you look at Uncle Luke) indie hip hop label Rap A Lot which largely pioneer southern Hip Hop, which was home of the legend status group the Geto Boys, and was responsible for breaking some of y'all early hip hop artist like Do or Die. In 2018 Travis Scott had second highest selling album of the year and the second most charted songs on the billboard both after Drake(a rapper who bites off H town culture). And furthermore and most importantly we turnt our whole city out with our scene which created an entire subculture that has been adopted as part of our entire city's identity and used to help market it as a 'cool' modern southern city to live and visit. Why you think the slang term "H town" which was introduced by the local hip hop scene is the most popular nickname for Houston today? What other city do you know that has happened in. Even white soccer moms in the white neighborhoods in Houston know about lean, slabs, chopped and screwed music and DJ screw and how to throw up the H. The bbc ain't doing documentaries on Chi hip hop. There's a reason Nipsey Hussle and Lil Wayne dedicated whole songs to the hip hop culture in my city and not Chicago's. There's a reason ASAP Rock and Drake bite off the Houston sound and culture and not Chicago's. There a reason everyone talking about they drippin or got the drip and talking about double cupping & lean. Until recently all y'all really had was a few popular super stars like Kayne, who's more associated with the east coast and is more known for his outburst and antics than music nowadays and Lupe. The drill movement is the first time y'all actually have a real live successful organic grass roots rap scene. And that shyt fell off almost as quick as it came in.
From the the beginning I made it clear I was referring to established AADOS communities, not a St. Dominiquean mullato individual in colonial French North America who established a trading post in what would later become the incorporated city of Chicago in 1833(3 years before Houston) that didn't even stay there permanently later moved to Missouri with his family and died there. Cuz if that's the case the Houston area was the landing place of the "first black man in America", Estevanico the moor, in 1528 in Galveston Island, TX. So, we got y'all beat there too.
Houston was founded in 1836 three years after Chicago was and black slaves were the ones who cleared the land and dredged the swamps for the the city to be built from the very beginning and have been at least a quarter of the population ever since.
Houston vs Chicago black percentage -
1850: %22.2(533) vs %1.1(323)
1860: %22.2(1077) vs %0.9(958)
1870: %39.3(3691) vs %1.1(3691)
1860: %22.2(1077) vs %0.9(958)
1870: %39.3(3691) vs %1.1(3691)
As you can see Houston was proportionately MUCH blacker than Chicago during this time. And it doesn't matter much that they were mostly enslaved before 1865, as they were still a distinct community of people. The first black church in the Houston area was a congregation for the enslaved established in Galveston TX in 1840, and in Houston proper in 1848. Both still exist today.
Bronzeville is the oldest black neighborhood in Chicago, but is actually a transitional neighborhood that was established as the Forrestville Settlement, and then Grand Boulevard before becoming Bronzeville and originally settled by white Irish, Scottish, and English, and then German Jews in the 1900s. Bronzeville didn't become majority black until after 1920 and had virtually zero blacks before 1890.
Whereas Freedmen's Town in 4th ward Houston was founded and built completely from the ground up by free slaves who bought the cheap empty swampy parcels of land in 1865 as an all black settlement from the very beginning, hence the signature shotgun style houses that line the streets of the hood which is a traditional African-American architectural style. There are at least 11 of such historically all black settlements within the city proper of Houston. Freedmen's Town was also the sight of Camp Logan which housed the 24th Infrantry Regiment of the Buffalo soldiers, which was the sight of the Camp Logan riots, in which the soldiers committed munity as a backlash to the police brutality against one of the soldiers who intervened on two white cops brutalizing a black woman. It's one of only two race riots in American history in which white deaths, 16 including 5 cops, were higher than the black deaths(DC red summer riots was the other). And is tied with the Micah X shooting in Dallas for the most cop deaths done by a black man. In other words them brehs beat the shyt out them cacs somethin serious here.
African-Americans in the Houston area also participated in the Battle of Galveston as sailors for the Union Army before being captured and sold into slavery in Houston proper.
https://exhibits.library.rice.edu/exhibits/show/dikk-dowling/slavery-and-sabine-pass/5
Just off the top of my head.
Art-
Slab culture(given official status in the Houston Art Car Parade, hence why you see the mayors being chauffeured in my last post)
Project Row House
Ensemble Theatre(largest black theater company in the country)
Politics-Project Row House
Ensemble Theatre(largest black theater company in the country)
Two landmark supreme court cases during the civil rights era
TSU sit ins responsible for ushuring desegregation into the city
Black mayor
Business-TSU sit ins responsible for ushuring desegregation into the city
Black mayor
Black owned Unity Bank
Higher percent of black owned business despite lower black population proportion than Chicago
Census Finds Houston Ranks High for Minority Entrepreneurs
Home of some of the hottest black restaurants in the country like the Turkey Leg Hut, The Breakfast Klub, and Frenchy's
Education-Higher percent of black owned business despite lower black population proportion than Chicago
Census Finds Houston Ranks High for Minority Entrepreneurs
Home of some of the hottest black restaurants in the country like the Turkey Leg Hut, The Breakfast Klub, and Frenchy's
Two HBCUs
Four HBHSs
Four HBHSs
LA black culture has exported more than just gang culture. They also exported gangster rap, g funk, hood movies, various slang, and even though it's technically a Mexican creation, lowriders.
LA black culture is definitely more influential nationally than Bay Area black culture. The vast majority of the most famous rappers from Cali are from LA. Bay Area black culture is hyperlocalized, but HIGHLY influential within the bay. Moreso than LA local black culture is inside of LA.
Mexicans in LA tend to accuse Mexicans in the Bay of "acting black" because they're more influenced by black bay culture than LA mexicans are by LA black culture.
Same thing for Asians. See :50-1:10 & 4:10-5:37
Houston black culture tends to function more like the Bays, and not so much LAs. Atlanta's black culture is more comparable to LA's in that regard. Get it?
That enough for ya or should I continue?
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Just looked it up. Y'all do turn up for that. Cool local tradition yall got going. I'll give y'all that.
