Religion/Spirituality House Of Konsciousness Thread
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So at first the debate was gonna be between ISUPK Founder General Yahanna vs Dr Ali Muhammad now its been changed to another Priest Officer for ISUPK and its not Tazaryach?
Sa-Neter also replaced the UFO debate between Shaka Ahmose vs Brother Polight with Brother Unk from the Amen-Ra Squad.
Sa-Neter better get his shyt together, you shouldn't be putting out false information of these debates and changing participate and topics as you see fit. shyt is getting sloppy and unprofessional.
Just my 2 cents.
Newark88
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Man, these ISUPK nikkaz are too damn emotional lol.
Looking at this 'weigh in' from an unbias perspective. Dr Ali Muhammad was able to show and prove his point, although some of his bible quotes were off. He did make many valid points about the bible being the worst book to follow for black people.
He also mentioned the Holy Quran was tampered with and that neither book is good for black people. Making a point that our ancestors were more intuned with nature and didn't need a book to know about general principles and morals. Another Great move by Dr Ali
The ISUPK nikkas didn't show and prove anything besides quoting bible scriptures. And constantly spewing out the same rhetoric they normally do, "Follow the law's statues and commandsments of the most high, under the direction of Commanding General Yahanna."
Well guess what? General Yahanna is an obese man. Most of the ISUPK camp has obese members, What does that say about you following the dietary laws of your doctrine?
Anther point, the Sawkawar dude really self destructed when Brother Sankofa during the Q&A Asked why the former leader of the ISUPK made a false prophecy about the year 2000.
The ISUPK dude got EXTREMELY emotional and called everybody a weak fakkit.
These dudes are gonna get slaughtered at the debate. Trust me all of the mishaps the ISPUK dudes showed will be used against them at the debate next month.
They couldn't rebuttal anything Dr Ali made against there doctrine, so you know Sawkawar is light work.
While I don't agree with either party's viewpoints, Sakawar really made me cringe when he tried using their fake version of Hebrew to explain Jeremiah 14:2. Talking about "black unto the ground" means the Jews were black like the dirt.
Not only does he not understand actual Hebrew, but the word translated as black in Jeremiah 14:2 (KJV) is קדרו or qad'ru (pronounced ka-drew) which means to become dark, sad/gloomy. It is not an adjective, but a verb... and is used in reference to the gates(click to see)
^This video goes more in depth on that point with irrefutable proof. Even quotes other ancient bible translations and commentaries (Septuagint, Peshytta, Targum Yonatan) and completely ethers the ISUPK's personal interpretation.
Then there was the embarrassing parts where Sakawar tried to discredit the Septuagint. Dude musta forgot the Septuagint was the same Old Testament translation the New Testament writers cited from.
It should also be noted that Ali Muhammad was twisting some of those verses in the Quran way outta context to fit his argument.
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I gotta disagree. Ali Muhammad's presentation was kinda shaky.
He was twisting some of those verses in the Quran outta context (especially surah 9 ayah 101 about Muhammad and the Bedouins) to fit his own agenda. He was also off on his arguments concerning the Hebrew language.
Then again, dude is known for his arrogance and use of false or misleading info. He's no better than the ISUPK in that regard.
Lol I'm glad someone else noticed that.
Alotta the higher ranking brothers were gluttons.You'd catch "elders" killin some Kennedy Fried Chicken or Mickey D's, only to see them scold others about eating right.
As for "following the commandments under the direction of General Yahanna" that's every camp's ploy. Go to the ICGJC and it's Tazadaqyah. Go to GMS and it's Tahar, etc.
But this should raise red flags to anyone in the ISUPK who is having doubts about their false teachings.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKnTQtqbxKil9uhNskG6r6Q/about
The "disclaimers" on all their videos carry the same dumb sentiment.
Sankofa is a former member of the original UPK. And while I don't agree with his viewpoints, I got a kick outta that.
Sakawar should be the last person to defend that nonsense since he wasn't around back then.
I've seen other UPKers upload videos in the past trying to spin and justify the false prophecy as being a test given to Ahrayah by the Most High himself.
But I can tell you for a fact it was no "test". Brothers were literally getting kicked out for NOT preaching it.
I really don't see either side getting the upper hand. Both are ignorant as sin. Both are going to be doing alotta twisting and spinning.
On another note, these debates are starting to turn into Fight Klub battles. Sa Neter is a shrewd businessman breh. I'm surprised nobody else has caught on to that yet.
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I gotta disagree. Ali Muhammad's presentation was kinda shaky.
He was twisting some of those verses in the Quran outta context (especially surah 9 ayah 101 about Muhammad and the Bedouins) to fit his own agenda. He was also off on his arguments concerning the Hebrew language.
Then again, dude is known for his arrogance and use of false or misleading info. He's no better than the ISUPK in that regard.
Lol I'm glad someone else noticed that.
Alotta the higher ranking brothers were gluttons when I was in there.You'd catch elders killin some Kennedy Fried Chicken or Mickey D's, only to see them scold us about eating right. Or you'd catch brothers eating hot dogs from street vendors. Whole time I'd be thinking "aren't those made with pig parts?"
As for "following the commandments under the direction of General Yahanna" that's every camp's ploy. Go to the ICGJC and it's Tazadaqyah. Go to GMS and it's Tahar, etc.
But this should raise red flags to anyone in the ISUPK who is having doubts about their false teachings.
ISUPK - YouTube
The "disclaimers" on all their videos carry the same dumb sentiment.
Sankofa is a former member of the original UPK. And while I don't agree with his viewpoints, I got a kick outta that.
Sakawar should be the last person to defend that nonsense since he wasn't around back then.
I've seen other UPKers upload videos in the past trying to spin and justify the false prophecy as being a test given to Ahrayah by the Most High himself.
But I can tell you for a fact it was no "test". Brothers were literally getting kicked out for NOT preaching it. When people used to hit us with Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32 on the street we used to shout them down and tell em they were perverting scripture. Ironic when looking back on it.
I really don't see either side getting the upper hand. Both are ignorant as sin. Both are going to be doing alotta twisting and spinning.
On another note, these debates are starting to turn into Fight Klub battles. Sa Neter is a shrewd businessman breh. I'm surprised nobody else has caught on to that yet.
This dude Sakawar is clearly not well equipped enough to expose and debunk the teachings of Dr Ali Muhammad. Based off what I saw at the 'weigh in' and how he conducted himself during the Q&A's. He's just too wet behind the ears and is not well studied outside the bible.
General Yahanna chose the wrong person to debate Dr Ali Muhammad in my opinion.
My question to you is besides General Yahanna who is the highest ranking officer under the ISUPK?
You were also right on point about Sa-Neter. He has takin his brand house of konciousness along the lines of the URL or KOTD and making these 'debates' and the so called 'conscious community' entertainment spectacles. Not saying there is anything wrong with that but his agenda is quite clear which is capitalism.
Sakawar is a new dude. Probably was recruited by someone in Yahanna's camp.
And that's another thing. The ISUPK (I.sraelite S.chool of UPK) you see today isn't the original (I.sraeli S.chool/C.hurch of UPK). The original actually became the ICGJC (I.sraelite C.hurch of G.od in J.esus C.hrist). So it's humorous watching Yahanna and his camp tell others he was the only one chosen to lead when:
1. He was never in the 7, who were main leaders of the old UPK (Ahrayah, Yaiqab, Mashah, Lahab, Yashiyah, Shar and Chaazaq)
2. He was among the brothers who left to start splinter camps.
As for the hierarchy of the new ISUPK, I honestly couldn't tell you. I can tell you that the loud, foul mouthed Yahanna you see today is an act. He was actually a laid back, well spoken brother back then.
Lol he got their angles down to a T. "so and so is 3-0, can ___ beat them?". Even got brothers in interviews braggin on their knowledge the way these battlers brag on their bars.
I remember when dude used to hype up Natural Tahuti. then it was Wesley Muhammad, then Seti, then Polight. Now it's the ISUPK and Ali Muhammed.
All for them page hits and DVD sales.
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I'm far from being versed on this subject, but I recall either reading or watching a documentary about the split. And it suggested that many brothers fell short to their goals and gave into the temptations of their environment by becoming the same "poisoned" person, that they sought to try and save. Then the direction of the movement and the teachings were then being questioned by bros who felt that it was not based in the original goals and teachings that were established by the 7. Any truths?
Newark88
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Lol at that Hebrew dude trying to interject
Lol at that Hebrew dude trying to interject
Pretty much. Except the environment within the original UPK was poisoned from the get go. Due to jealousy, envy, greed and the very false doctrines we were being taught.
I seen brothers get kicked out over petty disagreements, money issues or for simply being too popular.
If there's one person to blame for it all, it was Ahrayah. He held the most influence within the original school and was the brainchild behind the majority of the core teachings (which are still being taught). From the made up 12 tribe chart, to the fake Hebrew dialect, to the reincarnation doctrine etc. Nothing was authorized without going through him first.
He was single handily responsible for both splits. The 1st involving Mashah and a buncha other people around 95-96, and the 2nd after the failed Year 2000 prophecy.
Either way, the old UPK was a cult and every splinter camp that derives from it are also cults.
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Saneter at the ISUPK Passover