Religion/Spirituality House Of Konsciousness Thread

[theworldismine13]

The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History by Karl-Heinz Ohlig and Gerd-R Puin (Jul 30, 2009), available at Amazon.

The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran: A Contribution to the Decoding of the Language of the Koran by Christoph Luxenberg (Mar 2007)

Here a link to one of Gert Puins publications:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/402793/Gerd...

The virgins and the Grapes: the Christian origins of the Koran:

http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/...

The standard histories of Muhammad and the early development of Islam are based on Islamic literature that dates to the ninth and tenth centuries--some two centuries or more after the death of Muhammad in 632. Islamic literary sources do not exist for the seventh and eighth centuries, when, according to tradition, Muhammad and his immediate followers lived. All that is preserved from this time period are a few commemorative building inscriptions and assorted coins.
Based on the premise that reliable history can only be written on the basis of sources that are contemporary with the events described, the contributors to this in-depth investigation present research that reveals the obscure origins of Islam in a completely new light. As the authors meticulously show, the name "Muhammad" first appears on coins in Syria bearing Christian iconography. In this context the name is used as an honorific meaning "revered" or "praiseworthy" and can only refer to Jesus Christ, as Christianity was the predominant religion of the area at this time. This same reference exists in the building inscription of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, built by the caliph `Abd al-Malik.

The implication of these and other findings here presented is that the early Arab rulers adhered to a sect of Christianity. Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity. Linguistic analysis also indicates that Aramaic, the common language throughout the Near East for many centuries and the language of Syrian Christianity, significantly influenced the Arabic script and vocabulary used in the Koran. Finally, it was not until the end of the eighth and ninth centuries that Islam formed as a separate religion, and the Koran underwent a period of historical development of at least 200 years.

 

[Czar]

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[Czar]

These are the 5 reasons why Tazaryah ended up sticking his foot in his mouth.

1. He tried to justify his claims using their fake Hebrew, called Lashawan Qadash, which was created by ICGJC high priest Ahrayah, who was the leader of the OG UPK. This is the same man responsible for pushing the failed "Jesus is coming back by the year 2000" prophecy.






Although I'm not a fan of using Geocities or Angelfire as a source, Freemecca thoroughly expose the fake Hebrew used by UPKers.

Lashawan Qadash


2. The Magen David, which the UPK humorously refer to as the dawada magan.

The Dalet in Paleo Hebrew Alphabet was not shaped as a triangle, but as a number 4 or a backwards L. Only in the Phoenician and Greek script does it appear as a Triangle. Vertically for the Greek, Horizontally for the Phoenician. It never appears vertically in the Phoenician btw.


Paleo-Hebrew alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phoenician alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Greek alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. Using books which promote the Hamitic Hypothesis.

Zondervan bible dictionary uses the Hamitic Hypothesis (A Eurocentric theory) which claims Hamites, particularly the Egyptians, were not "negros".

Hamitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the mid-19th century, the term Hamitic acquired a new meaning as a few European writers claimed to identify a distinct "Hamitic race" that was superior to "Negroid" populations of Sub-Saharan Africa. The theory arose from early anthropological writers, who linked the stories in the Bible of Ham's sons to actual ancient migrations of a supposed Middle-Eastern sub-group of the Caucasian race.
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He was also twisting Black image in the White mind out of context, which was explaining Samuel George Morton's claim about the A.E being "Caucasians".


4. Their claim that God hates Africans actually falls flat on it's face, considering scripture actually contradicts them.

Isaiah 19:20-25

It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. So the LORD will make himself known to the Egyptians, and in that day they will acknowledge the LORD. They will worship with sacrifices and grain offerings; they will make vows to the LORD and keep them. The LORD will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the LORD, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them. In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance."
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That and..

1 Chronicles 2:34-35

Sheshan had no sons—only daughters.

He had an Egyptian servant named Jarha. Sheshan gave his daughter in marriage to his servant Jarha, and she bore him Attai.
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1 Chronicles 4:18
(His wife from the tribe of Judah gave birth to Jered the father of Gedor, Heber the father of Soko, and Jekuthiel the father of Zanoah.) These were the children of Pharaoh's daughter Bithiah, whom Mered had married.
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Not to mention Abraham's servant (and mother to his son Ishamael) Hagar, who was Egyptian. Mose's Cushyte wife (Numbers 12), Joseph's son's Ephraim and Manasseh (founders of 2 tribes of Israel) who were half Egyptian (Genesis 46:20)




5. He claimed the big split happened due to Masha in the 90's. That was a half truth. While Masha indeed left to start House of David and Tahar(GMS) and Nathanyel(IUIC) came up outta there, most of the long time members from both camps (along with subsequent groups) actually came up outta the OG UPK (later changed to the ICGJC) after the failed prophecy of 2000. In fact, the new ISUPK split from the ICGJC.

The irony is Ahrayah, who was lowkey the brainchild of the UPK at the time, actually gave Masha the title "King David reincarnated". He also called himself "John the Revelator reincarnated" and later endorsed Tazadaqyah;s claim of being "The Comforter/Holy Spirit"

 

[LionofJudah]

Don't pollute the House of Konsciousness thread with your lies. We know you're trying to infiltrate everything Black, but have some decorum.

 

[OsO]

For me, it is the suggestion that islam was written by followers of the two major religions that it "competes" with today

the implications of the koran being written by christians or jews would indeed be huge. but shakka hasnt proved that yet. he made the connection between the languages and terms, and while that evidence is highly suggestive, it's not definitive evidence concerning who created the religion or wrote the koran.

im not sure how that would change anything if isalm and chistianity were originally black, chistianity of today went through the council of nicea and islam of today went through islamic/arab imperialists, so any "black" was washed off centuries ago from both religions

it depends a lot whether islam was created by a black person, arab person, or white (re: Jewish) person...

 

[theworldismine13]

the implications of the koran being written by christians or jews would indeed be huge. but shakka hasnt proved that yet. he made the connection between the languages and terms, and while that evidence is highly suggestive, it's not definitive evidence concerning who created the religion or wrote the koran.

lol @ highly suggestive, i think the proof is enough to question whether its the black man's religion

the claim that it was actually written by chritians and jews hasnt been proven, but him looking up islamic words like iman and allah, prove that its not the black man's religion and that, for example, an iman and pastor are the same people

it depends a lot whether islam was created by a black person, arab person, or white (re: Jewish) person...

not really, islam and christianity is bullshyt no matter who wrote it, both in its original and modern forms, i think the only issue is setting the the historical record straight

 

[Czar]

Don't pollute the House of Konsciousness thread with your lies. We know you're trying to infiltrate everything Black, but have some decorum.

This coming from a dude who hates Africans and adheres the "HI" belief that Africans aren't actually black?

 

[Drummage_EL]

whether we're talking about the act of physical creation... or talking about things in the world that deserve to be worshipped, in either case--THE BLACK WOMAN IS GOD

Now explain to me exactly why the black woman is god.

 

[theworldismine13]

 

[theworldismine13]

i found some interesting stuff about syriac and islam while googling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_of_the_Koran
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20832646?uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21103127905597
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Mingana/Influence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahira#cite_note-5

 

[Mojoe]

http://www11.zippyshare.com/v/44657325/file.html

 

[theworldismine13]

 

[emoney]

Shakka Ahmose makes a lot of sense. He seems to be saying that:

1) Christianity was created by Hellenistic or Hellenized Jews (Greek speaking Jews or Jews who had Greek citizenship) for the Gentile populations (Greeks and Romans)

2) Islam was either created by Syrian Christians (directly) or borrows heavily from the early Christianity being practiced in the Levant.

Black Muslims need to stop banging on the religions that they steal or borrow from.

 

[Hannibal Fox]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/56132459/HEBREW-IS-GREEK-Joseph-Yahuda-Book

 

[theworldismine13]

Shakka Ahmose makes a lot of sense. He seems to be saying that:

1) Christianity was created by Hellenistic or Hellenized Jews (Greek speaking Jews or Jews who had Greek citizenship) for the Gentile populations (Greeks and Romans)

2) Islam was either created by Syrian Christians (directly) or borrows heavily from the early Christianity being practiced in the Levant.

Black Muslims need to stop banging on the religions that they steal or borrow from.

yeah even i had a picture in my head that islam started way in the desert by some isolated people who also happened to acknowledge jesus, but from the points shakka made and some of the links ive been reading the links between islam and christianity are quite deep, its quite accurate to say that islam came from christianity the same way christianity came from judiasm

in other words islam isnt the brother of christianity, its the son