Hot Take: Jokic is the most dominating center since Shaq

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Stop it Jokic is more than capable of giving Shaq that work

The only area he would give Shaq trouble would be forcing Shaq to come out the paint to guard the 3. Sabonis always gave Shaq issues because he could shoot and was strong enough to back Shaq down on the block. Jokic isn’t moving Shaq at all.

 

[ISO]

The only area he would give Shaq trouble would be forcing Shaq to come out the paint to guard the 3. Sabonis always gave Shaq issues because he could shoot and was strong enough to back Shaq down on the block. Jokic isn’t moving Shaq at all.

Jokic would be one of the heaviest centers Shaq ever faced and he would pose a lot of problems because his game pretty much exploits Shaq’s biggest weaknesses on defense don’t even know why y’all boil these matchups to low post wars

Again this thought that Jokic couldn’t work Shaq is laughable era bias

 

[boskey]

You probably weren't outside but SHAQ was the most offensively dominant big man in the modern day era.. he literally would throw other centers around in the paint.. they came up with the hack a shaq to stop him... ill say jokic can do more offensively.. but 20+ years ago nothing scared teams more then having shaq in the paint with the ball in his hands.. he was a walking bucket

Shaq was also considered a great passer at the time

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Jokic would be one of the heaviest centers Shaq ever faced and he would pose a lot of problems because his game pretty much exploits Shaq’s biggest weaknesses on defense

Again this thought that Jokic couldn’t work Shaq is laughable era bias

Weight doesn’t equal strength. Jokic couldn’t even score one on one on Javale McGee consistently. Shaq isn’t an all world defender but Jokic isn’t backing him down.

You're also ignoring the fact he would have to guard Shaq on the other end. Jokic would either foul out or be out of gas when it mattered.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

U boys act like Shaq wasn’t swept a bunch of times and didn’t have a Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant and D-Wade.

Shaq was going up against Hakeem, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Tim Duncan, Mutumbo and others in the era of the big man. Jokic flamed out against a washed Dwight Howard and Javale McGee

 

[ISO]

Weight doesn’t equal strength. Jokic couldn’t even score one on one on Javale McGee consistently. Shaq isn’t an all world defender but Jokic isn’t backing him down.

You're also ignoring the fact he would have to guard Shaq on the other end. Jokic would either foul out or be out of gas when it mattered.

So what your saying is Jokic having a great game against Shaq is impossible?

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

So what your saying is Jokic having a great game against Shaq is an impossible?

It’s not impossible at all, Shaq could be pretty lazy on defense. But he wouldn’t consistently do anything to Shaq but get dunked on.

 

[ISO]

Shaq was going up against Hakeem, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Tim Duncan, Mutumbo and others in the era of the big man. Jokic flamed out against a washed Dwight Howard and Javale McGee

None of this bullshyt you typed up matters.

Flamed out? He lost to a better team.

I guess Shaq flamed out when Hakeem, Karl Malone, and Tim Duncan was sweeping his ass out the playoffs.

 

[Art Barr]

Until mike Malone grows a brain and allows the nuggets to go big frfr.
By putting bol bol in at the two like early durant in seattle.
Plus start magarant mpj at the three.
with jokic at five point one, murray at pg and milsap at the four.
Till this administered constant starting rotational change takes place.

Denver will forever be losers.
Where all this jokic. is this or that talk.
Is trumped up pr from the white flight legal states of the pacific midwest.
In the whole bullshyt think tank pyramid ponzi scheme ideal of the "national" news.
Where national news is damn near synonymous with the tabloids at this point.

In that this whole fascination with foreign players is puffed up.
As said foreign great white hope players with adequate personnel personnel..
Still has not yielded the same type of winner like magic in his rookie year.
Nor a championship round appearance and loss to subsequent title like bird.
So this whole great white hype fascination needs to die.
What needs to happen is real scout roster management. That represents forward counter thinking to auerach pro court to admin based strategies.
As all i can see right now is pro bball talks is the underlying ideal.
That we all should be fascinated with some fake second coming of bird. Under luxury white country club parochial play style based ideals.
Which is never happening domestically or internationally.
We seen both goats in russell and michael.
Both took the argument away from a racist pr strutcture. by true textbook urgency and skill.
We have also in that seen dr jay and then magic.
So all this deflection away from real skilled basketball play gets high jacked by this white hype mantra.

We saw luka and jokic fail in the timeline. That would make them this draw like they would like to occur. All that is left is comparison to dirk and whatever errant other race based narcissistic clandestined pervasive great white hype. Whom still are not bill or michael jordan.


So hopefully the general braintrust ideal becomes more what conversation can be made to make denver better. Which will only occur. When the starting rotational roster management features another likely sized multi faceted seven footer as well. Whom also could defeat the great white hype errant component in national news.






Art Barr

 

[Blaze500]

Weight doesn’t equal strength. Jokic couldn’t even score one on one on Javale McGee consistently. Shaq isn’t an all world defender but Jokic isn’t backing him down.

You're also ignoring the fact he would have to guard Shaq on the other end. Jokic would either foul out or be out of gas when it mattered.

Jokic ran all over Rudy Gilbert who is probably the best defending big man in the game

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Jokic ran all over Rudy Gilbert who is probably the best defending big man in the game

Rudy “Gilbert” sucks

 

[Blaze500]

Until mike Malone grows a brain and allows the nuggets to go big frfr.
By putting bol bol in at the two like early durant in seattle.
Plus start magarant mpj at the three.
with jokic at five point one, murray at pg and milsap at the four.
Till this administered constant starting rotational change takes place.

Denver will forever be losers.
Where all this jokic. is this or that talk.
Is trumped up pr from the white flight legal states of the pacific midwest.
In the whole bullshyt think tank pyramid ponzi scheme ideal of the "national" news.
Where national news is damn near synonymous with the tabloids at this point.

In that this whole fascination with foreign players is puffed up.
As said foreign great white hope players with adequate personnel personnel..
Still has not yielded the same type of winner like magic in his rookie year.
Nor a championship round appearance and loss to subsequent title like bird.
So this whole great white hype fascination needs to die.
What needs to happen is real scout roster management. That represents forward counter thinking to auerach pro court to admin based strategies.
As all i can see right now is pro bball talks is the underlying ideal.
That we all should be fascinated with some fake second coming of bird. Under luxury white country club parochial play style based ideals.
Which is never happening domestically or internationally.
We seen both goats in russell and michael.
Both took the argument away from a racist pr strutcture. by true textbook urgency and skill.
We have also in that seen dr jay and then magic.
So all this deflection away from real skilled basketball play gets high jacked by this white hype mantra.

We saw luka and jokic fail in the timeline. That would make them this draw like they would like to occur. All that is left is comparison to dirk and whatever errant other race based narcissistic clandestined pervasive great white hype. Whom still are not bill or michael jordan.


So hopefully the general braintrust ideal becomes more what conversation can be made to make denver better. Which will only occur. When the starting rotational roster management features another likely sized multi faceted seven footer as well. Whom also could defeat the great white hype errant component in national news.






Art Barr

some of you guys are insecure when it comes to race....not all, but alot of you get insecure when white basketball players are successful its like you view it as an attack on "black athleticism", don't worry, african americans are still the most premier athletes in the world

 

[Blaze500]

Rudy “Gilbert” sucks

its clear you obvious have a bias against white basketball players, from Luka to Jokic just seeing you co-sign the conspiratorial nonsense by Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It’s not impossible at all, Shaq could be pretty lazy on defense. But he wouldn’t consistently do anything to Shaq but get dunked on.

On the real


Shaq would destroy jokic.

Jokic is not as savy as the old guard.
Jokic is not some wilt passer or oljuawon level guy.
It is a lack of pedigree and volume of bigs to adequately give jokic credit againat shaq. As i see shaq in a off heavy final round. destroying jokic downlow like rik smits or someone like healthy big z to sabonis very easily. Not to mention
As jokic is nOt hand checked or physically counter imposed on.
Plus earvin johnson to horace grant would more than likely be the roaming defender and shut down jokic as well.
in defense scheme to cover for shaq on the perimeter.
Of which jokic possibly being able to get by shaq fully invested to counter him downlow.
i really do nOt see jokic doing to shaq.

in or out of shape as well.



Art Barr

 

[Blaze500]

On the real


Shaq would destroy jokic.

Jokic is not as savy as the old guard.
Jokic is not some wilt passer or oljuawon level guy.
It is a lack of pedigree and volume of bigs to adequately give jokic credit againat shaq. As i see shaq in a off heavy final round. destroying jokic downlow like rik smits or someone like healthy big z to sabonis very easily. Not to mention
As jokic is nOt hand checked or physically counter imposed on.
Plus earvin johnson to horace grant would more than likely be the roaming defender and shut down jokic as well.
in defense scheme to cover for shaq on the perimeter.
Of which jokic possibly being able to get by shaq fully invested to counter him downlow.
i really do nOt see jokic doing to shaq.

in or out of shape as well.



Art Barr

Jokic is literally unstoppable when he has the rock in his hand