HOLD ON COLI: Is Nas The Goat?

[No1]

Its all opinions Nas is my fav, but you can't get mad when someone thinks Pac, Jay, Ra, or Kast is the GOAT.

Yes, you can.

 

[No1]

I KNOW y'all gonna be mad, but I don't think Pac is a top 3 MC.

I just don't think he had the mic skills Jay, Nas, Big and them had...He was very talented, and a good rapper, I just think he had quantity...volumes and volumes of work. I just feel that the quality was spotty. Not to say he didn't have fire shyt...

I guess y'all gonna label me as a "Jay Stan" but i listen to EVERYBODY, and try to be as fair as possible (but Hov my man tho lol)

Pac has too many classic songs. He made up for his lack of lyrical ability with content and emotion. But if we're talking straight spitting then Pac isn't top 20.

 

[inndaskKy]

BIG took from Nas, Pac took from Nas, Jay-Z took from Nas... Not just a sample I mean concepts, ideas, creative angles TAKEN from this nikka

He's the goat

I know Pac to the concept from one of his illest songs from Nasir. The Outlawz admitted this in 2002

Nas >

You make it seem like Pac's mind was blown by the concept of the personification of a gun because Young Noble said he 'got that concept' from Nas. It's just your interpretation that that counts as Nas being an influence on Pac's style, when he most likely did it to sh*t on Nas by outdoing him in the execution of a similar concept. It's like saying Pac was influenced by Junior Mafia because he used the Get Money beat to diss them.
The Outlawz have also stated that when Illmatic came out they immediately loved it and used to always talk to Pac about it and he said he didn't see what the big deal was, he thought the sh*t was just aight. So to say that Nas influenced Pac's music in any other way than that he mentions him in it is kind of disingenuous. Especially since Nas' style from IWW on clearly was influenced by Pac and he called him out on it. Pac influenced Nas' style, not so much the other way around..

 

[BamdaDon]

Man stop with the hyperboles.

You cant tell me that Jay-Z hasnt made good music since the Black Album.

American Gangster might be better than Life is Good let alone Watch the Throne. And I aint even tryna show my in-stan-ity right now I'm being fair.

Damn near every verse Jay has put out since So Appalled has been fire.

Prime jay is

I liked american gangsta but thats because them other albums were so fukking wack . Jay is lyricist trying to be one of them kayne type artist nowadays nikka needs to stick to just rapping hot verses its what he is good at. Thats why nas doesnt seem like he fell off he sticks to his lane

 

[ridge]

its just not possible to deny this anymore

hes by far the greatest

 

[NV-ME]

aint even close. when all the dust settles and that luxury rap looks like the dumbed down at the moment shyt it is in 20 years we're gonna be left with nas and pac as the voices of the past generation and a half.

 

[ridge]

what people dont realize is jay doesnt say anything that actually means something anymore and hasnt since a few tracks off blueprint 2 and kingdom come intro

hell, hes a good rapper but hes so basic compared to nas.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

smh at something that is strictly an opinion or personal preference being "indisputable"... you guys sound dumb as fukk right now

 

[JoelB]

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I STILL feel Hov is the better artist. Again, my opinion, but i knew soon as I first heard Jay it was a wrap. I have no probs with y'all sayin Nas da goat but I just can't agree. Minus one or two albums EVERYTHING Hov put out has been GREAT. They've all used influences from each other and other rappers so it's a bit of a draw that way...

I just feel like Jay has been hated b/c he was a bit more mainstream, but the man is a monster y'all got him in here sounding like he'd be nothing without Nasir the "goat" FOH...Hov BEEN that dude...Reasonable Doubt is tied with Illmatic to me...just my $0.02 tho


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So much mediocrity in this discography

 

[No1]

aint even close. when all the dust settles and that luxury rap looks like the dumbed down at the moment shyt it is in 20 years we're gonna be left with nas and pac as the voices of the past generation and a half.

And this post right here is why I wonder how I'm a Nas fan sometimes. It's like you guys live in another fukking galaxy. Nas is not the voice of shyt. This is the problem lol. Nas fans are like the douchebag underground rock fans that they they're so much more sophisticated than anyone else.

I love Nas' music, but you guys are on another galaxy. Half the reason people still give Nas his props is because he's not all the way mainstream so he's not a "sell out." How in the world can someone be the voice of a generation 20 years later? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Only a Nas stan would somehow state that Nas will become recognized as the voice of a generation after the fact. You are or you aren't. The rappers who love Nas the most who are mainstream: J. Cole and Lupe, take a back seat commercially to the guys who claim to be influenced by Jay-Z (they lost their way) --> Drake, Wayne, and one point TI and Jeezy.

He's a legendary rapper, but stop it. It's like you guys who think Pac was going to be Malcolm X.

 

[KILLAKUTT7]

There isn't a GOAT.

Pac/Nas/Hov.

Take you pick depending on the concept you're going for or the style of song you want. Nas has the most insecure fans on the internet though. It's like you guys feel the need to validate yourselves through him every chance you get. About 5 people heard Distant Relatives. I'm a borderline Nas stan and even I didn't want to bother with that.

I haven't heard Life is Good yet, but it sounds like he finally got his ear for music back. Nothing is more overrated on here than Untitled and I still play it. The worst thing about Nas fans is that they think everything he says is gospel so when he raps with a monotone flow over even worse beats they go crazy for it because they think he's spitting "truth." He does a lot of the time, but not always. Just because a song has a message doesn't mean it's executed well.

His execution has been inconsistent until this run of the last 18 months or so. shyt like "Who Killed It" was terrible. But then "Let There Be Light" would be really good. I wonder if some Nas fans remember that music is supposed to be listenable. His shyt has been uneven since Street's Disciple.

FUKK U- U bytch ASS nikka

fukk GAYZ- ill say it again- i feel bad that i hurt your gay feelings and u had to give neg rep to me cause u a gay homo just like jay

ur lucky Pac didnt make jay die slow before he passed

 

[Savior]

Nas is the GOAT to me easily....with Pac second. Nas still doing it after damn near 20 years though its undeniable. I got Jay in my top 5 but he only has 2 classic albums to me with the rest being hit or miss...and a bunch of really wack ones. I dunno how people can say his whole discography was fire....the dynasty, blueprint 3, kingdom come...really brehs?

 

[NV-ME]

And this post right here is why I wonder how I'm a Nas fan sometimes. It's like you guys live in another fukking galaxy. Nas is not the voice of shyt. This is the problem lol. Nas fans are like the douchebag underground rock fans that they they're so much more sophisticated than anyone else.

I love Nas' music, but you guys are on another galaxy. Half the reason people still give Nas his props is because he's not all the way mainstream so he's not a "sell out." How in the world can someone be the voice of a generation 20 years later? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Only a Nas stan would somehow state that Nas will become recognized as the voice of a generation after the fact. You are or you aren't. The rappers who love Nas the most who are mainstream: J. Cole and Lupe, take a back seat commercially to the guys who claim to be influenced by Jay-Z (they lost their way) --> Drake, Wayne, and one point TI and Jeezy.

He's a legendary rapper, but stop it. It's like you guys who think Pac was going to be Malcolm X.

who said anything about him not selling out. and your point is ridiculous. edgar allen poe and van gogh were appreciated much more after death than when they were alive. it took pac's death for mofos to appreciate him that much more to the point classes were taught about his work at universities. who's to say the same wont happen for nas? you?

 

[No1]

So much mediocrity in this discography

You're my homie, but stop. There's nothing mediocre about Volume 1. Volume 2 is only wack nowadays because the beats are dated.

Dynasty > Bravehearts shyt.

Blueprint 2 and Street's Disciple are the same caliber of double album.

 

[SoulController]

he been that, but putting out a 4.5 mic album 20 years deep doesnt hurt