HOLD ON COLI: Is Nas The Goat?

[Hyman Roth]

A couple points:

1) It's hard to say that anyone is the GOAT because of all the different era's in hip-hop but if you had to choose then the only contenders are Nas, Jay-Z & 2Pac really.

2) Everyone has there own opinion and criteria when it comes to measuring an MCs greatness but I believe it is possible to put your own feelings to the side and be subjective and break it down categorically by acclaim, commercial relevance, creativity etc.

3) I don't buy into the argument that because Jay-Z doesn't release tracks like 'Can I Live' or 'Where I'm From' that he's fallen off lyrically.
He still shows enough flashes of lyrical genius from time to time to show he still has the skills but he's in a whole other lane to Nas at the moment and where Nas places the greater emphasise on critical acclaim it's quite obvious that album sales are much more important to Jay-Z.

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

no doubt mannn- yea thats what i saw though- i guess it can be argued- i was just pissed at BarNone- somehow he made my rep go from pos 11 to negative 20 just for not liking jayz's music- but its all good

but i think if u listen to all the unreleased stuff (that has been leaked)- u can see he was making a change

his whole life reminded me of malcolm x's life from his autobiography- just Pac died too young n didnt get to make the final change to a Malcolm X type leader

PAC= THE GOAT- HANDS DOWN THOUGH!!!!

nikkas go that hard? Rep doesnt even have any effect on anything here. That shyt is meaningless.

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

That's the gayest sh*t ive ever read

Tell me how money is not the only fact in hip hop then. What are the other facts? Tell me or shut the fukk up. Lame nikkas be quiet.

 

[Loose]

*waits for jays next album bragging about the finest wines and euro cars/clothes*

 

[toetoe]

What are the other facts? Tell me or shut the fukk up.

Nas is a better rapper than Rampage Da Last Boyscout

Reasonable Doubt are more influental in Hip-Hop than The Wonderful World of Cease-a-leo

AZ is an underrated rapper, Shorty Sh*t Stain is not

Dj Premier is a better producer than Eminem

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

Nas is a better rapper than Rampage Da Last Boyscout

Reasonable Doubt are more influental in Hip-Hop than The Wonderful World of Cease-a-leo

AZ is an underrated rapper, Shorty Sh*t Stain is not

Dj Premier is a better producer than Eminem

These are facts? Or are they just opinions you think are fact because of your inflated sense of self?

 

[StackUp]

 

[toetoe]

These are facts? Or are they just opinions you think are fact because of your inflated sense of self?

These aren't facts?

Let me ask you:

Are The Beatles a better group than Hanson?

Are Michael Jackson a better artist than the retarded arm guy from Ying and Yang Twins?

I mean c'mon, don't give us any of that "men lie, women lie, number's don't" arrogant ass .com sh*t

 

[mastermind]

*waits for jays next album bragging about the finest wines and euro cars/clothes*

but thats deep, thought provoking music tho

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

No hate towards Nas I think he is up there in the GOAT, this album is really impressive and IMO already album of the year.

Sidebar: Nas needs to drop Cherry Wine as a single ASAP!

IMO I still go with Hov as the GOAT. The mix of lyricism, relevancy, catalog, history making moments, and longevity is unmatched.

Somewhere I'd like to think Hov heard this album and is plotting to take it back to the essence. Sadly I know it's not true. Hov is more concerned with his place on the Forbes list...while Nas is more concerned with his place on the GOAT list, thats the biggest difference between the 2 IMO.

 

[Lewis Black]

When it's all said and done pac is the goat. Now I don't think dude was malcom x lol but he in my opinion was hip hop. The good, the bad, the ugly, the violence, the greed, the good hearts, the kindness, the contradiction etc A young nikka could pick up illmatic and mimic nas but you can't mimic pac because his style was unique to him n anybody else tryna copy sounds horrible.

Edit: Nas/Jay switch between 2nd and 3rd constantly.

 

[inndaskKy]

When it's all said and done pac is the goat. Now I don't think dude was malcom x lol but he in my opinion was hip hop. The good, the bad, the ugly, the violence, the greed, the good hearts, the kindness, the contradiction etc A young nikka could pick up illmatic and mimic nas but you can't mimic pac because his style was unique to him n anybody else tryna copy sounds horrible.

Edit: Nas/Jay switch between 2nd and 3rd constantly.

Co-sign, except for the last part. Nas is always better than Jay to me.

 

[Lewis Black]

Co-sign, except for the last part. Nas is always better than Jay to me.

I don't know breh, jay-z has dropped so many jewelz on me as a young'n. So has nas but jay has dropped more.

 

[KILLAKUTT7]

nikkas go that hard? Rep doesnt even have any effect on anything here. That shyt is meaningless.

yea true mannn- people give each other daps more than reputation

i was just pissed he did that shyt for no reason

 

[No1]

I tried, but I couldnt get past this line. Im sorry breh, you entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

Bumping something in your car and at a party are not the same thing.

Radio does not equal party rapper. None of Jay-Z's most quoted songs are party records. None of Jay-Z most bitten lines are from his "party" records. A party rapper = someone you can only bump at a party or a club and whose music is directed towards that only. You and I both know that doesn't fit Jay-Z. You stopped reading because you have a preconceived notion in your head of Jay-Z and you took me saying "not a party rapper" to mean he can't be played at parties.

Jay-Z has literally 4 songs on any given album (not named Hard Knock Life or BP 2) that can be played at a party. Unless you have parties with a bunch of dudes just shooting the shyt. This is fact, not opinion. Take away Jay's singles and what songs on his albums are you playing at club or some party that isn't a sausage-fest of Roc jockers?


I've never seen you, gator and mr. "nas is the voice of our generation" so ostensibly wrong.

*goes to the club* *Puts on My First Song*