HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story

[BO BARON]

Hip hop killed hip hop because everybody wanted in

Everybody cant be complex & nikkas have their own perspectives

Hoes just want to vibe dont get mad because they vibe more with the music you'll hate

Hoes been that way even the introspective & political soul, blues, rock & r&b music was radio friendly & had vibes in the 60s, 70s, 8os & 90s

 

[Murkman]

Hip hop killed hip hop because everybody wanted in

Everybody cant be complex & nikkas have their own perspectives

Hoes just want to vibe dont get mad because they vibe more with the music you'll hate

Hoes been that way even the introspective & political soul, blues, rock & r&b music was radio friendly & had vibes in the 60s, 70s, 8os & 90s

What makes this intriguing is women who support their own female artists don't.
Most are only there for drama, media shyt, label politics, commercial products, etc.

I always theorized that was why you have less females becoming storytellers, or who have concepts, but most of them try to be punchline-rappers/bars lyricists.

It's lyrically the perfect format - has the most humor, easily quotable, limited subject matter, usually is based on pop culture, accessible in small amounts, etc.

 

[Wild self]

You can't absolve Atl just because your from the south breh.
Reality is Atl started this Strip club/Trickin/Glorifying hoes culture that everyone emulates now.
Hot 97 plays what people wanna here and they ONLY cater to three states so..
How You gonna say hoes killed hip hop and not place majority of the blame on the city that makes majority of they music for strippers and hoes?

Facts

 

[Wild self]

This is true. Im from Miami and not necessarily a southern hip-hop music fan but the south been on this shyt. Player's Club was made in 1998 so it was a history before then. The powers put it to the forefront after seeing the positive responses.

Oldheads used to say that strip clubs used to be another world before"Player's Club" existed. They said that ever since that movie dropped, strippers felt more entitled and stubborn and it ruined the culture. Strait up messed up the balance,of everything.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Interesting, a duo who talked about being hos in the most politically correct way (also had ghostwriters), a lesbian who's a hypocrite on female empowerment when it suited her (too ironically had ghostwriters), a chick who's a wannabe Black Thought, a fake deep bytch with shytty nonsense bars, - and the epitome of not living up your own career, having several kids out of wedlock, fukking Rasta nikkas just because, never pay her taxes, fails to follow her own advice, is always late to concerts, lies to her fans 24/7, had to settle for millions and pay back the producers and songwriters that helped MAKE her only classic album, (should I go on for Lauryn?), etc.

Is somehow "Black female empowerment" to you?

Lmao, take 0 responsibility or actual autonomy with your own careers, but label that "Black female empowerment".
No wonder females have been in the generational shytter since the old days, like this generation had a chance.
You nikkas should be pulling everyone else's cards while you're at it, because that practically doesn't exist at all.

Just like Rapsody signing with Roc Nation (only an idiot that's masquerading as a Conscious Rap artist would be that desperate to be on a major label who wants hits from you), and joining Zulu Nation (The Bronx's pedoring and breeding ground for child molestation), but okay she's for our "Young Black Queens".


You wonder why these fake ass, old hags don't make songs with each other.
They "empowered" themselves, nikka please Black women don't give a fukk about each other in Rap, one-time collaborations to get people talking, etc. For a bunch of finger-pointing bytches who's a majority didn't display one realistic example of "Being my own woman" - it's astounding how THEY are still revered as role models. Not even gonna comment on their one-dimensional, utter lack of versatility, or being unable to distinguish themselves from male peers as their influences, etc.

If people want to blame Nicki, Remy, etc, you might want to stop scrutinizing the "children". Ask why the "mothers" aren't held to higher standards, for letting this become a problem in the first place?

Because the OG generation of female parental figures in Rap, are still the worst of the worst and yet the Coli puts them on a pedestal everyday.

You make some valud points and also some personal attacks, based on the lack of blacks controlling the music.

The woman I mention had a positive impact on rap music, and their personal lives, where just that.

Your judgement of their lifes comes AFTER the fact of their careers, not during.

The diff is they didnt promote sex and promiscuity.

Lil Kim, Foxy, Eve, Trina, Nikki, Cardi B etc came in the game looking like hoes/selling flesh cuz that was to be the narrative for women in rap.

We can speak about the personal lifes of all great artists from coke head r&b singers(marvin gaye)/rappers to artists who beat on their woman(treach). That didnt stop you from listenening to the music.

Rappers are not owners of the music or control the machine behind the music.

And the blame starts at home, not with entertainers.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Then why earlier did you blame a couple of women, when in reality all women are guilty to some degree of ruining Rap for women everywhere?

Everyday they waste beefing, spreading alternative facts, being hypocrites doing reunion shows, talking about "social values", and shyt but never talking about linking up to make music together etc.
- Is one small instance that overtime would be leading to women changing for the better in Rap overall. They let the "Queen title" go to their heads and forget why men are remembered as monarchs, and not women.

Is it possible for Black women in Rap to actually appreciate another exists, and can weild that power as a group?


There is time, but I know for a fact they won't be doing that anytime soon.

Whom am I blaming?

Rappers dont control shyt, they either down for the fukkery nowdays or not.

Rap Music has been sold out a long time ago.

I blame the people in control who directly influence the consumers of rap.

At one time informative rap was more prevelent that rap focused around sex/drugs/violence.

Now most rappers are on the hood/street/drug wave because the direction the powers that be took it and its popular.

If any female rapper today wants success, shes gonna have to show flesh and convey a image of hypersexuality, not speak on education or self empowerment.

So you want to hold all 90s females rappers accountable for todays image of women in rap?

Again, they have no power and will do what they need to do to get put on or lose their spot, simmilar to you working a job.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Akinyele was first to do that not Luke. New York came up with the first form of everything positive and negative as far as influence, impact and trends go.

Luke and the 2 Live Crew came out with Throw the D and we want some puzzy in 86'

Akinyele came out in 93' with Vagina Diner.

Can you show the receipts of sexually charged music that Akinyele produced prior to 2 Live Crew, please.

Can you show ANY NYC music that was talking about fukkin and freaking the way 2 Live was back in 86'?

To my recollect, most music coming out of NYC with commercial impact was lyrical, street, or dance oriented.

 

[Murkman]

My point was the following:

You make some valud points and also some personal attacks, based on the lack of blacks controlling the music.
, and their personal lives, where just that.

Your judgement of their lifes comes AFTER the fact of their careers, not during.

The diff is they didnt promote sex and promiscuity.

Lil Kim, Foxy, Eve, Trina, Nikki, Cardi B etc came in the game looking like hoes/selling flesh cuz that was to be the narrative for women in rap.

We can speak about the personal lifes of all great artists from coke head r&b singers(marvin gaye)/rappers to artists who beat on their woman(treach). That didnt stop you from listenening to the music.

Rappers are not owners of the music or control the machine behind the music.

And the blame starts at home, not with entertainers.

Nice, goalpost moving. MC Lyte had really dirty ass lyrics way before Kim did, and Salt N Pepa were sexual in everyway you could imagine. Lauryn was a typical "Coffee Shop" Conscious sista, a moral front hiding a slew of one personal issue after another. I already said what said about Monie, and Bahamadia basically appeals to nikkas who dress and act like Shaft.

Hard for me to ascertain what exactly equals them having a "positive impact"?
Queen Latifah lying about her sexual orientation isn't an exact moment of having an honest character, which is why some females who are lesbian try to hide it.

My point was a sexual image is amoral, it doesn't make you a good or bad person, your character does. Black women will always be sexual to some degree, so that isn't even the problem. And yes you can blame the 90's, because it was evident not a single woman knew what "being yourself" was or having a shred of integrity. If you career was about promoting one thing, yet your entire life and the reality said something else, that's a problem bro. I pondered for over 10 years why women in Hip-Hop "ignore each other", and this all makes sense now.

Also this is an instant

"That didn't stop you from listening to the music"?

Which reminds me how is R. Kelly doing inspiring a generation of nikkas who probably piss on underage bytches, or fukk with women like Aaliyah to have their way with them? Because, it's alright and acceptable, as it's just "music", right?
This is how music perpetually doesn't change for the better, it's always used as a fallback to the excuse the behaviors of a particular generation. Like how MC Lyte inspired a bunch of women to act and dress like dykes, or like how Kim inspired women to become Animorph hos with Michael Jackson level skin bleaching, and absolutely no control over anything they did?

These aren't "personal attacks" as everyone knows them by now for decades throughout Rap history, on public record.

I am just figuring out, what makes the Booth overlook all these flaws and still be able to bump their music - knowing they are the OG fake ass bytches and hos you guys lambaste this current generation about?

I personally, can't bump anyone's music, (male or female) who have no reality or legitimacy to who they are as a person.
It's exactly why and how Conscious Rap has slowly lost its grip over the years, people saw through the bullshyt, fallacies and the political correctness of it. No other form of Rap music has consistently let down, lied, and betray people more than Conscious Rap, as there is always an angle with "Moral High Horse" ideology type of people.

Even @PhonZhi knows what I am talking about here.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

My point


My point was a sexual image is amoral, it doesn't make you a good or bad person, your character does. Black women will always be sexual to some degree, so that isn't even the problem.

And yes you can blame the 90's, because it was evident not a single woman knew what "being yourself" was or having a shred of integrity. If you career was about promoting one thing, yet your entire life and the reality said something else, that's a problem bro.

I pondered for over 10 years why women in Hip-Hop "ignore each other", and this all makes sense now.

Also this is an instant

"This shouldn't stop you from listening to their music"?

This is how music perpetually doesn't change for the better, it's always used as a fallback to the excuse the behaviors of a particular generation.
Like how MC Lyte inspired a bunch of women to act and dress like dykes, or like how Kim inspired women to become Animorph hos with Michael Jackson level skin bleaching, and absolutely no control over anything they did?

These aren't "personal attacks" as everyone knows them by now for decades throughout Rap history, on public record.

You are basically agreeing with me.

Blacks/rappers will NEVER control even HALF of the entertainment establishment because they are looking to just get paid and survive, not sacrifice and create generational wealth for the future.

Its about here and now. Not "What legacy can I leave for my youth".

Image is everything in entertainment based on fans being sheep, nobody cares about your character, just who you are in front of the screen(see Rick Ross)..if you dress and look like a hoe, guess what...most people are gonna believe you live that life(see Trina)..

The issue with "promoting" in your career is you are TOLD what to do, wear, and say in front of the public to get to the bottomline, sell records...because you signed a contract saying the label has control over your image-


Music is so powerful it had mislead boys to putting a hole in the cheek emulating 50 cent because he got shot in the mouth.

Mc lyte didnt have people dressing like dykes, Lyte got her style from the street, her being a rapper on tv and fans wanting to emulate the culture is what got young girls outside of the inner city, dressing like her.

Lil Kim had personal esteem issues which lead her to believe she wasn't beautiful enough in her own skin and lead her to think the eurocentric standard of beauty would make her feel better about herself.

That narrative been popping since blacks decided to conk their hair back in the day, breh.

 

[Murkman]

Luke and the 2 Live Crew came out with Throw the D and we want some puzzy in 86'

Akinyele came out in 93' with Vagina Diner.

Can you show the receipts of sexually charged music that Akinyele produced prior to 2 Live Crew, please.

Can you show ANY NYC music that was talking about fukkin and freaking the way 2 Live was back in 86'?

To my recollect, most music coming out of NYC with commercial impact was lyrical, street, or dance oriented.

My bad, well I guess on ratchet shyt, there was "Cool & Vicious" by Salt N Pepa. Hell "Push It" by itself predated what Luke did and probably inspired him to do that. They worked on it 2 years prior, so that had to be before Luke dropped his later in '86, but overall I made a mistake saying Akinyele. Regardless, NY still began that.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

My bad, well I guess on ratchet shyt, there was "Cool & Vicious" by Salt N Pepa
Hell "Push It" by itself predated what Luke did and probably inspired him to do that.

They worked on it 2 years prior, so that had to be before Luke dropped his later in '86, but overall I made a mistake saying Akinyele. Regardless, NY still began that.

Okay. Thats like saying Melle Mel invented Coke raps, tho..

But.

Push it was the B-side single to Tramp which came out in 87.

Then they made it a single in 88'

Throw the D still predates Push it, by 1 year as a b-side and 2 years as a actual single.

You may feel SnP introduced the "ratchet" concept into hip hop.

Yet 2 live crew was talking about straight up fukking, and thats why the are recognized and purveyors as such.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

I am just figuring out, what makes the Booth overlook all these flaws and still be able to bump their music - knowing they are the OG fake ass bytches and hos you guys lambaste this current generation about?

I personally, can't bump anyone's music, (male or female) who have no reality or legitimacy to who they are as a person.
It's exactly why and how Conscious Rap has slowly lost its grip over the years, people saw through the bullshyt, fallacies and the political correctness of it. No other form of Rap music has consistently let down, lied, and betray people more than Conscious Rap, as there is always an angle with "Moral High Horse" ideology type of people.

Even @PhonZhi knows what I am talking about here.

Because its entertainment.

 

[Murkman]

Mc lyte didnt have people dressing like dykes, Lyte

Oh come the fukk on, really?

The lack of make-up, blazers, dress slacks, wearing the belt past the wasteline, short haircuts, having mannerisms of a NY nikka, and not even sounding feminine, etc.?
This was before Queen Latifah too, who ironically was more ladylike than she was.

You still have women who adhere to that "Look, talk and act like a man" image.
How many look like her AFTER she quit Rap and transitioned into this?

You telling me women didn't find having an exclusively masculine appeal, a benefit for reaching to lesbians? It's a sign that eventually women masquerading like they're men to be accepted by them. It's a standard as to still how even the Coli acts like fakkits in secret, for getting with that shyt.

That is why there was the other extreme with the oversexualized female rappers, nikkas didn't want gay shyt to get in the Mainstream as far as women. So it makes sense how Kim, Foxy, Trina, etc. got hot and had an image to counteract that. A woman acting or resembling a man is in no way attractive, and to think some of you nikkas get turned on by that?

To me, it's a clusterfukk of nonsense and illogical proportions, but whatever it's "Keeping it real" to a majority.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Oh come the fukk on, really?

The lack of make-up, blazers, dress slacks, wearing the belt past the wasteline, short haircuts, having mannerisms of a NY nikka, and not even sounding feminine, etc.?
This was before Queen Latifah too, who ironically was more ladylike than she was.

You still have women who adhere to that "Look, talk and act like a man" image.
How many look like her AFTER she quit Rap and transitioned into this?

You telling me women didn't find having an exclusively masculine appeal, a benefit for reaching to lesbians? It's a sign that eventually women masquerading like they're men to be accepted by them. It's a standard as to still how even the Coli acts like fakkits in secret, for getting with that shyt.

That is why there was the other extreme with the oversexualized female rappers, nikkas didn't want gay shyt to get in the Mainstream as far as women. So it makes sense how Kim, Foxy, Trina, etc. got hot and had an image to counteract that. A woman acting or resembling a man is in no way attractive, and to think some of you nikkas get turned on by that?

To me, it's a clusterfukk of nonsense and illogical proportions, but whatever it's "Keeping it real" to a majority.

Nope.

Thats your perspective. Early female mc's dressing like men to push a lesbian agenda.

Rap is from the street..nobody was going to respect, listen to or buy into a glamorized female rapper, because AT THE TIME, thats not what the music was about.


Like @The HONORABLE SKJ and @Art Barr said. Hip Hop lost its authenticity when it was packaged and they put a barcode on it.

Did we stop listening to Ice Cube and NWA after we found out Eazy was the only true gangsta out the crew and Cube, Dre and Ren really didnt live those lives?

I wasnt concerned that Queen Latifah or Mc Lyte had lesbo vibes, it was obvious...long as they spit decent bars.

I looked at her as having a tomboy vibe who grew up playing in the streets, wanting to be like her older brother Milk and Giz.

So I take it Yo Yo was also a dyke, because she dressed like less feminine and more masculine, too?

Same with Roxanne Shante...

What about Finesse and Synquis..I take it they where perceived as a dyke duo?

Even Miche'le looks like a around the way girl on the cover on turn off the lights.

Glamour was not in the forefront for female mc's early on in the rap game..they where just trying to compete.

 

[Way Of The Gun]

Amongst other things yes they did.
And nikkas sat there and let them.
I blame Atlanta.
nikkas let strippers dictate everything down there.
They pushed this strip club music and everybody followed suit.
Fast forward now every bytch wanna be a stripper and simple shyt like Bad and Boujie (crafted Strickly for hoes) gets hailed as the best song of the decade.

Very true..these young thots want to be strippers but afraid of the attention it brings(the irony). I have no problem with strippers because I'm a strip club vet myself (lol) but it brought imbalance. It's obvious these females wanna shake their ass and we don't mind that as long as it's in the STRIP CLUB.