spliz
SplizThaDon
2 different conversations.Didnt the first hip hop thots come out of NYC a la Lil Kim and Foxy Brown tho?
HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story
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spliz
SplizThaDon
No. It's like me saying I love the East Coast but I don't fukk wit Philly's hip hop scene. Which is entirely possible.Last time I checked ATL was the south
That's like me saying fukk the boros....but I'm not dissing NYC
See how illogical that sounds
Hungerpain
Banned
Blah blah blah the south..Blah blah ATL...
breh nobody has
You can't absolve Atl just because your from the south breh.Last time I checked ATL was the south
That's like me saying fukk the boros....but I'm not dissing NYC
See how illogical that sounds
Reality is Atl started this Strip club/Trickin/Glorifying hoes culture that everyone emulates now.
Hot 97 plays what people wanna here and they ONLY cater to three states so..
How You gonna say hoes killed hip hop and not place majority of the blame on the city that makes majority of they music for strippers and hoes?
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
Not really..they ushered in the Slut Walk to enable female fans to emulate, and follow in their path of rathetness...that same ratchness thats attributed to strip club in the south.
Before that was Salt and Peppa, Queen Latifah, Bahamadia, Monie Love, Lauren Hill=Black female empowerment
Now the face of females in rap are Nikki, Remy, and now Cardi B.=Universal ratchness..wheres the balance?
Hoes/strippers dress as just as such...now hoe gear is everyday wear..
ATL has nothing to do with this breh..
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
The south been on ratchet shyt...the commercial establishment focused on that type of music and culture to continue to derail the authenticity of actual hip hop..
Niccas is like "its the Souths fault"
No..its the powers that be who are in control of what you watch and listen on a mainstream levels fault..
Niccas is like "its the Souths fault"
No..its the powers that be who are in control of what you watch and listen on a mainstream levels fault..
This is true. Im from Miami and not necessarily a southern hip-hop music fan but the south been on this shyt. Player's Club was made in 1998 so it was a history before then. The powers put it to the forefront after seeing the positive responses.
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
I was going to bring up 2Live Crew and M I A, yet that was just another version of hip hop and not the main focus.
And Luke was really the first rapper to introduce ratchetness to rap music..
spliz
SplizThaDon
We talking bout artists =/= fans. Kim n them is artists. And even right after them. There was still female rappers on they rhyme shyt cause regardless of image Foxy and Kim displayed skills. Also can't lump Remy in that. Cause Remy never really rapped about the same shyt that Jim and Fox was on. Remy's content was always more aggressive and masculine. shyt even Foxy and Kim to a lesser extent strayed away from the hoe shyt later in their careers and got on some street shyt. Cardi B is the result of this strip club culture tho. Indefinitely. They literally go straight to the strip club to find female artists now. I honestly don't know why cause it hasn't actually worked once. Unless u wanna count Eve who was a stripper in the past but not actually found in the strip club. It was in no relation to how she got on. This conversation is about how music LITERALLY has to go thru the strip club and bird bytches before it gets played. And ATL is the king of that fukk shyt. Yes. There has been ratchet artists from the south before. But they were a lane. This shyt is basically the business now cause the nikkas out there ended up being just as bad as the thots out there.
FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
My point is fans emulate their fav rappers, thats how the culture moves. Rappers get their style from the d-boys.
Whats promoted is whats emulated.
Remy was emualting Lil Kim and Foxy, not Queen Latifah and Bahamadia as far as style and fashion goes, which transcended into sex sells.
Which is also why female rappers have to sell their bodies first, lyrics come second.
Cats in the south who broke their music in the shake joints is no different than a rapper trying to get his song plugged at a regular club.
But you want to blame the South for strip clubs and the culture thats promoted behind it?
Naw, breh..that shyt been popping..The machine that runs and powers hip hop decided to focus on that aspect to move the culture the direction it is now.
Exactly...the Machine spearheaded by THIS GUY....whom has been at the forefront of making HIP HOP more appeasing to the female consumer and mainstream radio in general
since his early days working at Def Jam/Rush Management where he was instrumental in turning hardcore LL COOL J into LADIES LOVE COOL J the sex symbol
on up to now with him being instrumental with the 300 Music imprint and his current relationship with virtually every artist who relies on Youtube to make them brand worthy for the "consumers"
Murkman
Pro
Interesting, a duo who talked about being hos in the most politically correct way (also had ghostwriters), a lesbian who's a hypocrite on female empowerment when it suited her (too ironically had ghostwriters), a chick who's a wannabe Black Thought, a fake deep bytch with shytty nonsense bars, - and the epitome of not living up your own career, having several kids out of wedlock, fukking Rasta nikkas just because, never pay her taxes, fails to follow her own advice, is always late to concerts, lies to her fans 24/7, had to settle for millions and pay back the producers and songwriters that helped MAKE her only classic album, (should I go on for Lauryn?), etc.
Is somehow "Black female empowerment" to you?
Lmao, take 0 responsibility or actual autonomy with your own careers, but label that "Black female empowerment".
No wonder females have been in the generational shytter since the old days, like this generation had a chance.
You nikkas should be pulling everyone else's cards while you're at it, because that practically doesn't exist at all.
Just like Rapsody signing with Roc Nation (only an idiot that's masquerading as a Conscious Rap artist would be that desperate to be on a major label who wants hits from you), and joining Zulu Nation (The Bronx's pedoring and breeding ground for child molestation), but okay she's
for our "Young Black Queens".
You wonder why these fake ass, old hags don't make songs with each other.
They "empowered" themselves, nikka please Black women don't give a fukk about each other in Rap, one-time collaborations to get people talking, etc. For a bunch of finger-pointing bytches who's a majority didn't display one realistic example of "Being my own woman" - it's astounding how THEY are still revered as role models. Not even gonna comment on their one-dimensional, utter lack of versatility, or being unable to distinguish themselves from male peers as their influences, etc.
If people want to blame Nicki, Remy, etc, you might want to stop scrutinizing the "children". Ask why the "mothers" aren't held to higher standards, for letting this become a problem in the first place?
Because the OG generation of female parental figures in Rap, are still the worst of the worst and yet the Coli puts them on a pedestal everyday.
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Murkman
Pro
Akinyele was first to do that not Luke. New York came up with the first form of everything positive and negative as far as influence, impact and trends go.
Murkman
Pro
Then why earlier did you blame a couple of women, when in reality all women are guilty to some degree of ruining Rap for women everywhere?
Everyday they waste beefing, spreading alternative facts, being hypocrites doing reunion shows, talking about "social values", and shyt but never talking about linking up to make music together etc.
- Is one small instance that overtime would be leading to women changing for the better in Rap overall. They let the "Queen title" go to their heads and forget why men are remembered as monarchs, and not women.
Is it possible for Black women in Rap to actually appreciate another exists, and can weild that power as a group?
There is time, but I know for a fact they won't be doing that anytime soon.
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Murkman
Pro
This is because when Puffy deceived himself into thinking he could have a taste of that White power himself - he erroneously believed he could flip that into Black cultural influence as a figurehead. At least Hov still supported and tried his best to give HIS artists countless career opportunities, which they squandered out of youthful and inexperienced arrogance.
In fact, did you see this interview about Red Pill and Blue Pill discussing a part where Biggie purchased the publishing to ghostwrite Kim's "Hardcore" to evade Puffy taking his bread and artist rights?
That's why he kept it as a secret from him and Puffy never blackballed Kim.
He didn't own the power to do that to her at the time, makes sense why she lasted as long as she did.
Biggie and Kim were fukking retards, they had no idea how much they inadvertently had a huge hand in the downfall of NY Rap, allying with Puffy. But of course, NY nikkas will take anything at face value.
What that indicates is Puffy and Biggie were NOT on any terms of endearing respect, or real love for each other as friends.
