Historical Beefs #6: W.E.B. versus Booker T

[Kyle C. Barker]

Booker T pretty much laid the blueprints for Asian immigrants over the last 40 years. The man was right about community progress and self sufficiency.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

A good modern equivalent would be charter school leaders and public school proponents. The best examples of both are each working to improve Black education, they need to realize that both of their efforts are essential and stop getting in each other's way.

I don't know if that's the best parallel. At least with the DuBois and Booker beef, their ideas could reside in the areas they were in. DuBois' ideas worked better in the North. Booker's in the South.

Now from what I understand of charter or public, charters are eating off of publics.

 

[Reality]

@Rhakim this was dope as fukk

actually wish this wasn't the first of these I'd come across

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I don't know if that's the best parallel. At least with the DuBois and Booker beef, their ideas could reside in the areas they were in. DuBois' ideas worked better in the North. Booker's in the South.

Now from what I understand of charter or public, charters are eating off of publics.

I'm certain they can both work together just fine.

First off, charter schools just take the same per-student funding that public schools do. So they aren't siphoning any money off of public schools, the public schools always get to work with the same per-student funding they always work with. All they're doing is siphoning off students, which should be a GOOD thing as overcrowded as many public inner-city schools are. Unfortunately, a lot of people are more about control then what's best for the students, so both sides are fighting over control of the biggest budgets rather than thinking of what's best for the kids.

The only serious problem comes when charter schools siphon off the best kids and leave the worst with the public schools. That is illegal in most states, but there are ways around it (such as the charter school notices only being advertised to in-the-know parents). This is the biggest conflict of interest - we need to ensure that charter schools work with the same population and aren't siphoning off the best students. That can be done by ensuring that charters work with neighborhood populations the same way that publics do, or that all public students have automatic access to the charter lottery and get to opt out rather than opt in.

But in an ideal world, the charters can be small pools of innovation that bring a lot of energy and new ideas into inner-city public school systems where things have stagnated. Public schools should be watching charters carefully, seeing which ones succeed and which ones fail, and then copying the characteristics of the ones that succeed in order to better themselves. They could be a fantastic two-pronged approach in this way - keep setting up small innovative schools to help some students where the education is really substandard, and using the lessons learned there to slowly improve the whole system.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim this was dope as fukk

actually wish this wasn't the first of these I'd come across

Thanks breh.

Here is the whole series:

ALEXANDER HAMILTON AND AARON BURR BEEN DEAD 200 YEARS N STILL REALER THAN YA FAVORITE RAPPER (not mine, @th_412 just gave me a style to run with)

Historical beefs #2: When Kozo Noshino had to drop da bomb

Historical beefs #3: Robert Smalls vs. the Confederates

Historical beefs #4: Cleopatra

Historical beefs #5: The Greatest Sports Rivalry of All Time

Historical beefs #6: W.E.B. versus Booker T



Oh, and I forgot earlier to tag @Cole Cash, @Orbital-Fetus and @PewPew

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Rhakim the north vs south narrative is a criticism between MLK and Malcolm X actually. People in the south Malcolm was too recklessly radical because he never lived in the South like MLK did.

 

[MMS]

You have to go way deep into alternative history to come up with that narrative. His entire program was that Black people needed their full rights here and now and shouldn't have to wait for White people to warm up to them. And I downplayed it in the story cause W.E.B. DuBois downplayed it in his own life (and believed in intergration and anti-racism as the only real way forward, and the best way), but the brother hated white people. I mean, intensely despised them.



W.E.B. Du Bois - 65.11

when you look at the outcomes between 1890s to the 1910's it could be construed that Booker was right

the race riots, the inability to win public support outside of black circles...WEB inadvertently may have set us back

It's weird because if you look at asian immigrants they slowly but steadily changed the cultural narrative. It's not perfect but it's a far cry from the path we've taken

 

[Professor Emeritus]

when you look at the outcomes between 1890s to the 1910's it could be construed that Booker was right

the race riots, the inability to win public support outside of black circles...WEB inadvertently may have set us back

I've seen the exact same arguments used to claim that that all proves that Booker was wrong, that White people in the South in that era weren't going to grant equal rights for Black people no matter how positively they improved themselves.

The Tragedy And Betrayal Of Booker T. Washington

I don't actually believe that either W.E.B. or Booker T did any meaningful harm. Booker T never kept any Black folk from fighting for equal rights, and W.E.B. never kept any Black folk from improving their own situation. Outside of the personal animosity, they both did their part to improve Black people's chances.

It's weird because if you look at asian immigrants they slowly but steadily changed the cultural narrative. It's not perfect but it's a far cry from the path we've taken

Nah, that's just the Model Minority Myth. It wasn't a slow change, it was started in the 1960s specifically to shyt on Black people. if Asians hadn't been used as a tool to attack Black people, and if an immigration policy wasn't in place that specifically pulled in Asian doctors/scientists/engineers/grad students and left all the poor ones in their own countries, there wouldn't have been no change in the narrative at all.

 

[MMS]

I've seen the exact same arguments used to claim that that all proves that Booker was wrong, that White people in the South in that era weren't going to grant equal rights for Black people no matter how positively they improved themselves.

The Tragedy And Betrayal Of Booker T. Washington

I don't actually believe that either W.E.B. or Booker T did any meaningful harm. Booker T never kept any Black folk from fighting for equal rights, and W.E.B. never kept any Black folk from improving their own situation. Outside of the personal animosity, they both did their part to improve Black people's chances.





Nah, that's just the Model Minority Myth. It wasn't a slow change, it was started in the 1960s specifically to shyt on Black people. if Asians hadn't been used as a tool to attack Black people, and if an immigration policy wasn't in place that specifically pulled in Asian doctors/scientists/engineers/grad students and left all the poor ones in their own countries, there wouldn't have been no change in the narrative at all.

While I was still in school I roomed with several African exchange students who were in the grad programs for forestry and fisheries programs respectively

That immigration policy effects black people too. I spent time at the African Students meetings to learn more about them at a few tailgates and you'd be surprised how many got the same chances as Chinese, Japanese and Koreans

It's my belief that the fear of black men is a sexual fear more than an economic one from my travels but that is a whole other story entirely.

 

[Sukairain]

Amazing thread

 

[Starman]

A poster of the year posting like a poster of the year .

You don't see that every day.

Please keep this series coming.

 

[Jimmy from Linkedin]

Amazing.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Amazing thread

A poster of the year posting like a poster of the year .

You don't see that every day.

Please keep this series coming.

Amazing.

Thanks y'all.

If you didn't see them, I've put up two more so far this year:

Historical Beefs #7: Bloody Scottish b*stards

Historical Beefs #8: John Boyd Jr. versus the USDA

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

got some reading material for later tonight.

 

[DrBanneker]

You going to do WEB vs. Marcus Garvey or Mao vs. Chiang Kai Shek?