People love to say we need authenticity, but when you have have real gang members and killers making music, you want to call it debauchery and demonic. You asked for this and you can't dictate who gets on and starts making music. This was all entertainment, but get mad when people simply entertained and wanted them to live what they talked about. Your favorite artists had rhymes full of debauchery and demonic lyrics too, but it is often overlooked. People act like they are scared of just not liking certain artists just because they don't like them. Its as if they need validation in not liking them and they will use whatever reasoning to justify the dislike just to see if people will either or agree or get people to side with them.
Hip Hop Really Deserves to Die At This Point
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Then you have so called fans of Nas and Jay Z, but either bash the artists because they aren't making the albums or type of music they want from them. Nas has made 6 brand new albums in three years and you got people mad because they aren't produced by Alchemist and Madlib. People cried about a DJ Premier produced album, now its about to come into fruition, its cries about Premo being washed up and how an imaginary album with Alc or Madlib would be better. "Jay needs to stop rapping", but you'll still check for it even if its to bash. It would be much easier if you stopped listening and checking for it.
Bash ghostwriting, but anticipate and expect disses from a artists with known ghostwriters.
Bash ghostwriting, but anticipate and expect disses from a artists with known ghostwriters.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Yup.
Around 2004, you would hear a lot of that, "I don’t have to know how to rap, this is just a hustle for me", in lyrics. I think we're still dealing with that mindset today with a lot of these dudes. They're not worried abut making classic music or adding to the culture's history. This is about something else for them.
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Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
TRUTH!
We could have this exact same talk about R&B. Which we did last year on here. Black music is really in the bushes right now. You go to the labels and the "black music" departments don’t even have any damn black people working in them! No coincidence there, at all. Hip Hop departments at Def Jam, Interscope, UMG and Warner are all 95% white and Asian now.
Now look at the music that's being pushed.
Streets dudes always existed within hip hop
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But they weren't pushed into the forefront during the beginning.
Existed, yes, but not in the spotlight and being the default template that aspiring rappers had/have to base their image off of to be taken seriously by the vast majority of listeners.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Very true.
Dres from Black Sheep spoke about this. He said right after they got their deal, he knew a lot of other dope MC's who were making conscious rap, who were being turned away from labels because they weren't "street enough". There was a concerted effort on the part of major labels around '93-'94, to not sign anything that wasn't driving that image, which was why so many people tried to switch to that. Just to get on. UMC's said they felt pressure to be "more hardcore" because they couldn't get promoted by EMI for their second album, without making the switch.
This is why Rawkus was started. To give people an alternative to what the system was intentionally pushing and promoting 24/7.
For real. Autotune is a NET NEGATIVE for black music
Record sales and #1 hits, while trying to be ratchet and hood, is a big contradiction. Like, 50 wanted to be Tupac in a Business Suit, mocking actual street dudes like The LOX for not having diamond and multi platinum albums, ans mocking (Black) pop stars for not being hood enough
Ironically, he was slained by Kanye West in 2007 and never was the same again.
Yeah, getting shot 9 times was a gimmick in itself, especially when that same rapper was nowhere near DMX quality musically or lyrically. It was white America's fascination with black gangsters as zoo animals.
Meh just listen to something else. Nothing you mentioned is even the worst thing about hip hop today.
Let me shoot you nine times and I'll let you determine if it's a gimmick or not........
It aint gonna makw me sound like Rakim or Nas.
Only CACs and c00ns like ignorant street gimmicks as if being a degenerate c00n will make you into a better MC
Oh yea you all the way just told on yourself. you out of the conversation for having 0 credibility off that dumb shyt u stated.
You can't deny 50's mixtape run during that time is what got people to pay attention to him.It aint gonna makw me sound like Rakim or Nas.
Only CACs and c00ns like ignorant street gimmicks as if being a degenerate c00n will make you into a better MC
50 is the sole purpose of how mixtapes are constructed today.