Higher Learning flooded with Politics unappreciation

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i do much more than complain, rant, and not vote

Like what?

youre saving thousands while theyre stealing billies, trillies actually. youre bragging over the crumbs falling from the table

More empty hyperbolic nothingness. I'm saying different elected officials enact different policies that affect us all in appreciable ways, including you, so it's fukking retarded to not pay attention to politics and not vote, and that's how it's always been in this country. You are just too stubborn to open your eyes.

im starting to see where the disconnect is tho. you dont see the full gravity of our predicament because you havent been personally affected yet. and for some reason you are either ignorant or apathetic to the struggle being endured by others.

Nah, actually you're ignorant and apathetic because you haven't been affected. You're like a spoiled child crying. Whatever oppression you're feeling today is NOTHING compared to 99% of what your previous generations in this country had to deal with and NOTHING compared to 99% of what the world is dealing with today.

whats happening to others is our problem.

you have to care what happens to other people. and more than sympathy you must take action to change the conditions that are oppressing other people.

to sit by and do nothing means you are condoning the oppression and exploitation of our people. you cant be neutral on a moving train, shoutout to the homey zinn.

im explaining the same concept in different ways in the hope it will finally sink in. whats happening to others is happening to you, and are you your brothers keeper? yes you muthafukkin are

What are you doing that has such an appreciable impact on peoples' lives and what does that have to do with whether or not people should be voting or involved in and cognizant of politics?

we give legitimacy to corrupt mechanisms of government by participating in them. we validate their authenticity and authority when in reality we should be questioning it.

I don't know if you didn't get the memo or something, but every single government that has ever existed in the history of this country and in the history of the world has been corrupt. What is your solution? No government? I'm not sure while I'm still even asking you at this point because it's obvious you have none.

but ive already said we should not abandon politics altogether. there are certain things its in our best interest to ensure, like obama getting that second term. but once thats in the bag then we have to get back to that "structural" problems issue you described above.

so i guess thats my issue. yea it may be possible for people to do both, but i dont see a lot of people doing both. i see people getting all the way caught up in the political aspect, and not giving any attention to the structural problems aspect, yourself included.

First reasonable thing I've read so far.

and shyt is really on the line right now, more so than has ever been in history. and we need all the soldiers focused on real solutions and common solutions, not the same solutions that HAVENT been working for the past 200 years and got us here int he first place.

So nothing positive has happened in participatory politics for the past 200 years?

100% is subjective but i can easily visualize a more economically balanced and sustainable economic system... emphasis on SUSTAINABLE.

we are 14 trillie in debt with prolly another dozen or so trillie in debt off the books and there is NO light at the end of this tunnel.

And where did that $14 trillion in debt go and why? Do you even know? You say fukk politics and don't pay any attention then bytch about the outcome of it. Do you not see how backwards your thinking is?

the dollar's world reserve currency status is about to be over and once that happens its a slippery slope to 300% inflation and mass poverty/unemployment... and 300% is a modest estimate

my larger point is that regardless of who is in the white house our country has always had the same general trajectory.

and now that trajectory has the human race on the brink of destruction on about 7 different fronts, am i wrong?

Yes your wrong. This country hasn't always been on the same trajectory since regardless of who's holding office (this is about all elected office btw, not just the presidency). I don't know even know what you're talking about.

i think he's doing the best he can as the head of the beast. but that doesnt mean we forget that it's a fukking beast.

if he came on tv and told everyone they were economic slaves, i would be more impressed.

but then again that would get him killed.

go ahead and vote for obama if it makes you feel better.

he's going to win either way, and your still going to be a slave either way.

More useless, trite hyperbole. Maybe your consider yourself a slave. I certainly don't. I am free to say and do almost whatever I feel like and I live better and more comfortably than 99.9999999% of the people who have ever lived on Earth.

Nat Turner and them would slap you if they had a time machine and saw you whining about being a slave on the internet. My question to you is what base standard of living or minimum conditions do you demand or think you are entitled to that would entail not being a slave?

it only had integrity in theory. it has never been properly practiced, which is a huge fukking part of the problem.

Yes, but you said the system has been "robbed" of its integrity. If it was robbed then when the fukk did the system have integrity? Did it have more integrity during the Jim Crow era? Answer the question, Leyet.

You conspiracy theorist "fukk the government" dudes always be acting like there was some time when America was noble and its bullshyt. I would much rather be alive now than any time in U. S. history.

hypothetically, if a million people marched into congress and demanded our unjust laws be changed, do you think congress would change the laws?

First of all, you would have to list what unjust laws be changed and how, and second, yes if people voting after they finished marching. If they didn't vote then fukk no. We already have a model for this. It's called the civil right movement. You may have heard of it. People organized, got together, highlighted and exposed the racial injustices going on and made it clear they weren't going to take it anymore. They helped change collective minds of the nation and we ended up with the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You keep talking to me like I'm dissing social activism. All I'm saying is it has to be couple with voting and paying attention and understanding what's going on in the political system.

as this point in time, community economics combined with a form of character (spiritual) development is our solution.

i talk about this stuff ALL THE TIME in different ways but part of the reason we cant dig deep into specifics is because i have to spend all my time convincing people of the reality of our situation, much like im doing now.

but i really understand now that some people are not going to have incentive to move in an ultra-progressive way until they feel the fire. and if thats what it takes, then thats what it takes.



its all based on principles of economic cooperation and community cooperation.

but you can see the challenges with implementing strategies around community cooperation as evidenced by our conversation here. the planet is headed to hell in a hand basket and youre telling me to vote

its time for far more direct measures

and im not talking about armed revolution because in reality thats the last thing we want. an armed confrontation with government and military forces would not end well for anyone.

again, its about economic cooperation at the community level, combined with some kind of character development that gets embedded into our CULTURE.

So why don't you spell about how communal economic cooperation (which I'm for) alone will fix all the issues you're always complaining about (tariffs, the Federal Reserve, etc.)

What do you mean ? Malcolm X told people to vote. You know that right? He didn't say it was a panacea, and he understood the limitations of voting, but he also understood the importance of it as part of the solution. Are you going to call Malcolm X a brainwashed c00n.

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public education strikes again ... black people who dont know their history

go watch hidden colors again sleep&eat

Huey Newton actively registered voters, you onionhead ass nikka! What is wrong is with you? Who doesn't know their history?

Please don't compare your position on matters to the Black Panthers. They had a vision. They were a revolutionary marxist organization, and they primarily focused on self-reliance and community activism. What's your political philosophy? Where's your 10 point program?

Newton, Seale, and them would never advocate your self-defeating "fukk politics" position. Even if they weren't all gung-ho about voting for a particular party, they were all about participatory politics and awareness of politics. Bobby Seale ran for fukking Mayor of Oakland.

On that podcast when we talked about the Ryan plan, you sat silent the whole time because you didn't know anything about what we were talking about. Then you ranted on the board about how "who gives a fukk about what a politician proposes."

I say this out of love, not hate...that is fukkING IGNORANT. If some of the ideas of the Ryan plan, privatization of Medicare, huge cuts to safety net programs, elimination of capital gains taxes, etc. get implemented that will have a HUGE effect of everyone.

It's retarded to just say "fukk politics they're all the same." The corporations and the banks and the lobbyists want people to be like you. You are Goldman Sachs and the Koch brothers favorite type of person. They want people to be so cynical and defeated that they resign themselves to saying "fukk politics" and not voting and not paying attention so they can reap more benefits without any informed electorate to provide a counterbalance to their money. They want 55 or 60% of people not voting. It saddens me that there are people who think like you.

Your view is deeply, poisonously flawed. Smarten up and grow up.

the irony

i forgot who i was talking too... the fed economists are the good guys right?

I never said that. Stop confusing me with other posters, please. But yeah, you can't even explain why Bernanke should be beheaded or what should be done with monetary policy. Zero asked you on the first podcast directly, "What would you do about monetary policy?" and you were like "Uh, I think there should be more transparency."

the only thing is youre under the assumption the drop off will be mild when in reality its going to be much worse.

You don't even know anything about economics or what's going on in the world right now, stop trying to predict the future.

but actually it wont because we're going to get organized in time and stop it

but no thanks to negores like you only looking out for themselves. have some empathy for your fellow man vic smmfh

I do have empathy, and that empathy combined with my knowledge is exactly why I know your "fukk politics, don't vote" position is stupid and self-defeating.

fukk the government. fukk the fed. they are evil.

love your brothers and sisters.

simple.

Looks good as a sticker on a 15 year old black fingernailed whiteboy's backpack, but means nothing in the real world.

 

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Community economics and spiritual development. This is the first practical method you've pointed out in thousands of words of typing and talking about this issue. In the earlier podcasts your rants although lengthy were mostly to the point.. but by the last podcast it got a bit aggravating to me because in the middle of detailed conversations about fiscal policy and so forth you swerve and regurgitate your basic talking points on this matter. We're talking politics, you're like hang on, politics sucks {insert cyclical rant here}. The worst part is that it's literally the same conversation each time.. it's not an accident we've talked about manufacturing tariffs repeatedly. Let's hear some action and results oriented language instead of your 5th rant about putting honey on excrement.

first off, from the first podcast ive been saying we need to step our manufacturing up, which is part of the community economics solutions. so i been on the solutions since jump yall just aint hearing me, as obvious from your post.

secondly, i can never go too deep into solutions on the podcast because we get caught up debating the basics of politics and economics. i would love to do deeper into the solutions, and in fact i think that would be the best use of our time. but thats difficult when people lack knowledge about the nature of their oppression.

third, the irony of a bunch of people who dissect every aspect of the dog and pony show that is the political process telling me i always talk about the same thing is hilarious. yall gonna be dissecting everything these people say and do from not until the election, and guess what, after the election shyt is still gonna be the same.

Don't act like the Panthers were about just sitting around talking about how we shouldn't talk about solutions cause everything is fukked. They were far too left for my taste but what they've got over you is that they were incredibly bright and knowledgeable about the institutional processes at play in the structures they were critiquing!

who portrayed the panthers in that light? certainly not eye...

I frankly find it offensive when there's such a stark contrast between the actual governing policies of the GOP & Dems that you'd sit back and be handwavey about it. The Iraq war would not have happened under Al Gore. Period. All this stuff you're pointing out, the Dems have been fighting about consistently on the same platform since the late 70s.

i find our whole political system offensive.

and i have already stated its important to get obama back in the white house, but thats already in the bag so we need to graduate to more important issues.

so wtf are you even talking about

Like what?

a lot

More empty hyperbolic nothingness. I'm saying different elected officials enact different policies that affect us all in appreciable ways, including you, so it's fukking retarded to not pay attention to politics and not vote, and that's how it's always been in this country. You are just too stubborn to open your eyes.

obama got this in the bag. hes gonna destroy romney in the debates and then its officially a wrap. so now its time to focus on the larger problem

Nah, actually you're ignorant and apathetic because you haven't been affected. You're like a spoiled child crying. Whatever oppression you're feeling today is NOTHING compared to 99% of what your previous generations in this country had to deal with and NOTHING compared to 99% of what the world is dealing with today.

the results we need to achieve are not getting accomplished through this current political system. the change that needs to occur is too drastic and our political system is designed to resist drastic change.

What are you doing that has such an appreciable impact on peoples' lives and what does that have to do with whether or not people should be voting or involved in and cognizant of politics?

like i said i do a lot.

and it has to do with other people because the energy we put into this political shyt we could be putting into more effective solutions.

I don't know if you didn't get the memo or something, but every single government that has ever existed in the history of this country and in the history of the world has been corrupt. What is your solution? No government? I'm not sure while I'm still even asking you at this point because it's obvious you have none.

its not about the structure of the government, its about the quality of character of those in government. so my solution is to replace those of a low moral character, with those of a high moral character. simple.

So nothing positive has happened in participatory politics for the past 200 years?

a little positive sure... but a lot of negative.

And where did that $14 trillion in debt go and why? Do you even know? You say fukk politics and don't pay any attention then bytch about the outcome of it. Do you not see how backwards your thinking is?

the question is do YOU know where that money went. because if you did im sure youd be much more upset.

and some degree of attention to politics is necessary i dont know why you keep saying dont pay any attention.

the problem is we pay TOO much attention to this aspect of politics, and not the fundamental change aspect. we have too much focus on the short term issue of who's getting elected and not the long term issue of sustainability.

Yes your wrong. This country hasn't always been on the same trajectory since regardless of who's holding office (this is about all elected office btw, not just the presidency). I don't know even know what you're talking about.

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More useless, trite hyperbole. Maybe your consider yourself a slave. I certainly don't. I am free to say and do almost whatever I feel like and I live better and more comfortably than 99.9999999% of the people who have ever lived on Earth.

Nat Turner and them would slap you if they had a time machine and saw you whining about being a slave on the internet. My question to you is what base standard of living or minimum conditions do you demand or think you are entitled to that would entail not being a slave?

its obvious you have no regard for other human lives and you are not going to truly see the oppression in our society until the oppression hits close to home.

Yes, but you said the system has been "robbed" of its integrity. If it was robbed then when the fukk did the system have integrity? Did it have more integrity during the Jim Crow era? Answer the question, Leyet.

You conspiracy theorist "fukk the government" dudes always be acting like there was some time when America was noble and its bullshyt. I would much rather be alive now than any time in U. S. history.

when did i ever say america was noble? i said its been corrupt since birth and was only noble in theory. reading...comprehension.

First of all, you would have to list what unjust laws be changed and how, and second, yes if people voting after they finished marching. If they didn't vote then fukk no. We already have a model for this. It's called the civil right movement. You may have heard of it. People organized, got together, highlighted and exposed the racial injustices going on and made it clear they weren't going to take it anymore. They helped change collective minds of the nation and we ended up with the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

no vic. no voting this time. this time we say, and they do. its that simple.

that bold is hilarious

You keep talking to me like I'm dissing social activism. All I'm saying is it has to be couple with voting and paying attention and understanding what's going on in the political system.

i agree with you, but where is the balance with the social activism? all i see is people regurgitating the same political talking points ad infinitum.

this is really what we should be debating. we are getting too deep into the semantics of how much YOU think i said people should participate in politics, which is pretty pointless and counter-productive.

but lets dead that right here. yes i agree people should have a working understanding about whats happening in politics, and even participate when need be (to get obeezy that second term). my issue is that people are not doing enough of the other activism stuff and questioning and strategizing about to fundamentally improve this whole process.

So why don't you spell about how communal economic cooperation (which I'm for) alone will fix all the issues you're always complaining about (tariffs, the Federal Reserve, etc.)

i'd love to. lets discuss on the next podcast. too much to type.

What do you mean ? Malcolm X told people to vote. You know that right? He didn't say it was a panacea, and he understood the limitations of voting, but he also understood the importance of it as part of the solution. Are you going to call Malcolm X a brainwashed c00n.

that was the 60s vic. if malcolm saw how impotent the political process has been in creating positive change for our people in 2012, he would not be talking about voting. our people are in the same position they were in 40, 50 years ago, possibly worse.

Huey Newton actively registered voters, you onionhead ass nikka! What is wrong is with you? Who doesn't know their history?

Please don't compare your position on matters to the Black Panthers. They had a vision. They were a revolutionary marxist organization, and they primarily focused on self-reliance and community activism. What's your political philosophy? Where's your 10 point program?

Newton, Seale, and them would never advocate your self-defeating "fukk politics" position. Even if they weren't all gung-ho about voting for a particular party, they were all about participatory politics and awareness of politics. Bobby Seale ran for fukking Mayor of Oakland.

here we are again debating the semantics of what YOU think i believe our level of political participation should be.

the panthers main platform was not voting, not even close. they were more focused on the bigger picture and changing things fundamentally.

they were also about taking community improvement into their own hands.

in fact everyone you mentioned, the panthers, malcolm, even MLK by the time of his death were all convinced that our people needed a different strategy when it came to improving our social situation. all three of them had begun plans to organize economically, which would then translate into real political power. MLK started focusing specifically on union organizing and community economics, he had begun going hard on that shyt. and thats when he turned from a celebrated civil rights leader to a target in the eyes of the government.

the only time our political system cares about poor or working class people is in the months leading up to elections. every other time its like

On that podcast when we talked about the Ryan plan, you sat silent the whole time because you didn't know anything about what we were talking about. Then you ranted on the board about how "who gives a fukk about what a politician proposes."

I say this out of love, not hate...that is fukkING IGNORANT. If some of the ideas of the Ryan plan, privatization of Medicare, huge cuts to safety net programs, elimination of capital gains taxes, etc. get implemented that will have a HUGE effect of everyone.

paul ryan and romney will never be in the white house. since that's pretty much official, they are irrelevant for now and we should focus on the bigger picture.

It's retarded to just say "fukk politics they're all the same." The corporations and the banks and the lobbyists want people to be like you. You are Goldman Sachs and the Koch brothers favorite type of person. They want people to be so cynical and defeated that they resign themselves to saying "fukk politics" and not voting and not paying attention so they can reap more benefits without any informed electorate to provide a counterbalance to their money. They want 55 or 60% of people not voting. It saddens me that there are people who think like you.

i am the systems worst enemy, trust.

I never said that. Stop confusing me with other posters, please. But yeah, you can't even explain why Bernanke should be beheaded or what should be done with monetary policy. Zero asked you on the first podcast directly, "What would you do about monetary policy?" and you were like "Uh, I think there should be more transparency."

i said more than that.

and monetary policy should be taken completely out of the hands of the fed, period. its a private bank, not a public institution. do YOU understand the implications of that?

I do have empathy, and that empathy combined with my knowledge is exactly why I know your "fukk politics, don't vote" position is stupid and self-defeating.

bottom line is this. im done arguing the semantics of the proper level of political participation because its diverting from the real issue.

people like you spend 99% of your time talking about symptoms of the problem instead of the ROOT of the problem. thats counter-productive in my eyes.

our political system is DESIGNED to bring significant change either slowly, or not at all. this was even a talking point on the last podcast.

so using traditional political methods is not going to bring the level of fundamental change we need, period.

so addressing the ROOT of the problem should be our main focus. because anything else is putting a band-aid on a gun shot wound.