Higher Learning flooded with Politics unappreciation

[thekingsmen]

I wonder if I can use the excuse of handling a job for 4 years and blame everything on the last guy "You see how much work I have to do to correct this"?

 

[Demon]

The political dikkriding is the most frustrating part.

LOL @ cats on here thinking democraps are any different than the rethugs.

LOL @ cats on here watching the RNC and shytting on it in the thread, acting like Nobama and other liberals aint gonna be at the DNC spewing the same BULLshyt, just a different flavor

I live in a swing state and Im not voting. at both of them fukking scumbags.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

It's election time nikka.

 

[OsO]

Yeah, let's fix that by complaining and ranting and not voting.

i do much more than complain, rant, and not vote

Maybe you're in the 1% and you make a milly or something a year, but me saving a few thousand on credit card I refi'ed a chunk of my mortage on and my wife's students loan is big load off of us.

youre saving thousands while theyre stealing billies, trillies actually. youre bragging over the crumbs falling from the table

im starting to see where the disconnect is tho. you dont see the full gravity of our predicament because you havent been personally affected yet. and for some reason you are either ignorant or apathetic to the struggle being endured by others.

whats happening to others is our problem.

you have to care what happens to other people. and more than sympathy you must take action to change the conditions that are oppressing other people.

to sit by and do nothing means you are condoning the oppression and exploitation of our people. you cant be neutral on a moving train, shoutout to the homey zinn.

im explaining the same concept in different ways in the hope it will finally sink in. whats happening to others is happening to you, and are you your brothers keeper? yes you muthafukkin are

But again, you're setting up this false argument that somehow if you vote and pay attention to politics you're not focusing on structural problems that are more difficult to tackle.

we give legitimacy to corrupt mechanisms of government by participating in them. we validate their authenticity and authority when in reality we should be questioning it.

but ive already said we should not abandon politics altogether. there are certain things its in our best interest to ensure, like obama getting that second term. but once thats in the bag then we have to get back to that "structural" problems issue you described above.

so i guess thats my issue. yea it may be possible for people to do both, but i dont see a lot of people doing both. i see people getting all the way caught up in the political aspect, and not giving any attention to the structural problems aspect, yourself included.

and shyt is really on the line right now, more so than has ever been in history. and we need all the soldiers focused on real solutions and common solutions, not the same solutions that HAVENT been working for the past 200 years and got us here int he first place.

And people are always going to "slowly be financially dripped." If you know of some utopian economic system that is 100% fair and leads to prosperity for all that exists somewhere in the world, please show it to me.

100% is subjective but i can easily visualize a more economically balanced and sustainable economic system... emphasis on SUSTAINABLE.

we are 14 trillie in debt with prolly another dozen or so trillie in debt off the books and there is NO light at the end of this tunnel. the dollar's world reserve currency status is about to be over and once that happens its a slippery slope to 300% inflation and mass poverty/unemployment... and 300% is a modest estimate

Asking how your life is better since Obama has been in office as a basis for choosing to vote or not vote is not a valid question because he entered office at the apex of the largest recession since the Great Depression. Not to mention Obama is only once branch of government. Obviously it's going to be several years, maybe a decade or more before there is appreciable, sustained turnaround just like the Great Depression and the Japanese recession of the 90's.

fair enough.

my larger point is that regardless of who is in the white house our country has always had the same general trajectory.

and now that trajectory has the human race on the brink of destruction on about 7 different fronts, am i wrong?

And a President isn't your personal babysitter. He's not supposed to hand you a job or put money in your pocket. He's supposed to do what he can within his role as the executive branch to foster an environment where the economy and can grow and hopefully average people can benefit from that.

i think he's doing the best he can as the head of the beast. but that doesnt mean we forget that it's a fukking beast.

if he came on tv and told everyone they were economic slaves, i would be more impressed.

but then again that would get him killed.

There's some things I think Obama should've done with regard to the banks that I have voiced here on several occasions. But that's still a silly reason to say don't vote. He was the better choice and the guy closer to my views than McCain. That's a pretty simple concept.

go ahead and vote for obama if it makes you feel better.

he's going to win either way, and your still going to be a slave either way.

Please point to me a moment in American history when the laws on the books were executed with integrity, since it was "robbed" of it.

Was it when your ancestors were in chains?

Or was it when they were getting lynched and disenfranchised in the south?

Or was it when people were dying from toxic products and work environments?

Or was it when little girls were being worked literally to death for 13 hours a day in horrible factory conditions?

Or was when people were being sent off to die in Vietnam?

Or when Japanese were getting interned into camps?

Or when women couldn't vote?

Or when black people couldn't vote?

Or when Hispanics were getting brutalized and segregated in California?

Or when the American Indians practically got exterminated off the face of the Earth?

Or when striking workers were being shot down in the streets by the national guard?

Or when you could put money in a bank and they could just go out of business and your money is gone?

Or when seniors were dying from having no healthcare after retirement?

Or when we were doing coups and assassinations to get rid of governments they couldn't exploit all over the world?

I don't seem to recall this mythological time when America was pristine and righteous and acted with integrity. I guess nobody should've ever voted and we'd all be better off.

it only had integrity in theory. it has never been properly practiced, which is a huge fukking part of the problem.

You are advocating apathy, you just don't know it apparently. All the civic engagement in the world ooesn't meant shyt if you don't vote. What is so hard for you to understand about this? You keep acting like activism and voting and mutually exclusive, when in reality, both are required for a nation to operate successfully.

hypothetically, if a million people marched into congress and demanded our unjust laws be changed, do you think congress would change the laws?

You do NOT list solutions. I've read your posts. I talk to you on the podcast. You have offered nothing. You can talk until your blue in the face about how the Federal Reserve and the government is evil, yadayadada and at the end of the day, you do not offer a solution to anything.

as this point in time, community economics combined with a form of character (spiritual) development is our solution.

i talk about this stuff ALL THE TIME in different ways but part of the reason we cant dig deep into specifics is because i have to spend all my time convincing people of the reality of our situation, much like im doing now.

but i really understand now that some people are not going to have incentive to move in an ultra-progressive way until they feel the fire. and if thats what it takes, then thats what it takes.

All you do is speak in vague, trite, platitudes and slogans and offer nothing just like you're doing now. People should get civic minded...okay. Cool. Then what? Post on message boards? Rant on podcasts? If you're proposing violent revolution are you scared to say it? Because I'm still waiting to hear exactly how "being civically engaged" leads to systemic reform while not voting. You said "Republicans are feeding you a bowl of shyt, Democrats are feeding you a bowl of shyt with honey. You need to stop accepting it and flip the table over." That stirs some serious emotion and may get you some "amens" and "welllls" in church, but it doesn't mean anything substantive.

its all based on principles of economic cooperation and community cooperation.

but you can see the challenges with implementing strategies around community cooperation as evidenced by our conversation here. the planet is headed to hell in a hand basket and youre telling me to vote

its time for far more direct measures

and im not talking about armed revolution because in reality thats the last thing we want. an armed confrontation with government and military forces would not end well for anyone.

again, its about economic cooperation at the community level, combined with some kind of character development that gets embedded into our CULTURE.

these are the macro level concepts and as soon as we can agree on these then we can dig into the deeper levels of the solutions.

Why don't you watch Malcolm X's "Bullet or ballot" speech? Or are you going to say Malcolm X is a brainwashed sheep.

No serious social activist or revolutionary in American history that got shyt accomplished ever adopted this idiotic, retarded, apathetic, downright stupid position of "fukk the evil system, don't vote" position you're taking. This a phenomena unique to this current generation of lazy youtube activist bums.

Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

public education strikes again ... black people who dont know their history

go watch hidden colors again sleep&eat

And you can't even articulate what exactly Bernanke is doing wrong and what he should do. All you know is the Fed is evil and so is Bernanke because you saw a youtube video with scary music in the background.

the irony

i forgot who i was talking too... the fed economists are the good guys right?

I have trust in myself that I can handle my affairs enough that I'll be good. Once again you're operating in this conspiracy bubble that somehow things were once great and noble and there's this secret plot by whoever to drive us all into poverty, instead of taking a more realistic and reasonable view that the world is complicated and integrated, America will inevitable fall off some from being THE superpower in the world while there is increasing competition from other nation emerging nations, and there have been serious flaws in our fiscal and monetary policy driven by arrogance, greed and faulty ideology, and that our standard of living will probably go down at some point and we will have to adapt just like every other powerful nation since the history of time. So that makes it hard to reason with you.

this is the most intelligent thing youve written thus far.

the only thing is youre under the assumption the drop off will be mild when in reality its going to be much worse.

but actually it wont because we're going to get organized in time and stop it

but no thanks to negores like you only looking out for themselves. have some empathy for your fellow man vic smmfh

You're cool peoples and I like talking to you, but your worldview is erroneous. I don't know how many people of different ideological views have to try and tell you your views is flawed before you stop being stubborn. But you're like 30 now. You're getting a little too old to still be stuck in this silly, cartoonish "fukk the government and the fed they're evil" pseudorevolutionary mentality. Maybe you should join the rest of us adults in the real world at some point.

fukk the government. fukk the fed. they are evil.

love your brothers and sisters.

simple.

 

[zerozero]

as this point in time, community economics combined with a form of character (spiritual) development is our solution.

Community economics and spiritual development. This is the first practical method you've pointed out in thousands of words of typing and talking about this issue. In the earlier podcasts your rants although lengthy were mostly to the point.. but by the last podcast it got a bit aggravating to me because in the middle of detailed conversations about fiscal policy and so forth you swerve and regurgitate your basic talking points on this matter. We're talking politics, you're like hang on, politics sucks {insert cyclical rant here}. The worst part is that it's literally the same conversation each time.. it's not an accident we've talked about manufacturing tariffs repeatedly. Let's hear some action and results oriented language instead of your 5th rant about putting honey on excrement.

Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

public education strikes again ... black people who dont know their history

go watch hidden colors again sleep&eat

Don't act like the Panthers were about just sitting around talking about how we shouldn't talk about solutions cause everything is fukked. They were far too left for my taste but what they've got over you is that they were incredibly bright and knowledgeable about the institutional processes at play in the structures they were critiquing!

I frankly find it offensive when there's such a stark contrast between the actual governing policies of the GOP & Dems that you'd sit back and be handwavey about it. The Iraq war would not have happened under Al Gore. Period. All this stuff you're pointing out, the Dems have been fighting about consistently on the same platform since the late 70s.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I live in a swing state and Im not voting. at both of them fukking scumbags.

If you don't vote, you're contributing to the current mess we all find ourselves in. Also, if you're 'Black' you should be ashamed of yourself for that type of thinking. People literally died to give you that right.

If you aren't satisfied with the choices, write-in your own.

 

[SumBlackguyz]

Pivotal election year that could decide the future of america , and the DNC/RNC going on

I see plenty of topics on the front page that are apolitical, so how about you contribute to those

election year that could also decide the future of the planet

 

[thekingsmen]

Someone needs to slap the shyt out of Von Doom for the that crybaby rant.

 

[Dead End]

Everything from the civil rights you have, to Medicare, social security, to the consumer protections in place, healthcare, where your tax money goes, to labor and trade agreements, etc. all had to go through the political process.

Well, that's partially true, but your overall slant sort of blurs the process and history of what actually happened.

 

[Demon]

Also, if you're 'Black' you should be ashamed of yourself for that type of thinking. People literally died to give you that right.

This is the same bullshyt I heard on the radio the other day. I understand all of that, but that was at a time where voting actually meant something, and you could pull the lever without feeling that feeling of dread that you just done fukked up.

Nowadays, all these politicians are nothing but crooked, corrupt, greedy slimebuckets.

Im not contributing to none of that.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This is the same bullshyt I heard on the radio the other day. I understand all of that, but that was at a time where voting actually meant something, and you could pull the lever without feeling that feeling of dread that you just done fukked up.

Nowadays, all these politicians are nothing but crooked, corrupt, greedy slimebuckets.

Im not contributing to none of that.

Well, if you don't vote to keep the 'crooked, corrupt, greedy slimebuckets' OUT of office...you ARE contributing to ALL of that.

 

[Type Username Here]

I don't mind politics, I mind the Dems vs GOP constant E! Entertainment Reality show type of discussions

"Oh Romney curled his lip when he said this" "Obama's swag", etc.

Such pointless drivel.

Here's what will NOT change no matter WHO wins (Romney vs Obama)

Wall Street Influence and Lobbying
Wealthy Welfare
Wall Street Welfare
Your rights being trampled
Constant war for profit
Corruption
Horrible education

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

This is the same bullshyt I heard on the radio the other day. I understand all of that, but that was at a time where voting actually meant something, and you could pull the lever without feeling that feeling of dread that you just done fukked up.

Nowadays, all these politicians are nothing but crooked, corrupt, greedy slimebuckets.

Im not contributing to none of that.

Lol...when was this time when politicians weren't greedy corrupt slimeballs?

I feel so sorry for people like leyet and this guy. They don't even realize they've been beaten into submission by the same corrupt system they're dissing. They think apathy is being rebellious when really they're doing exactly what the powers that be want. They don't want you voting. They want you bytching about crooked politicians and conspiracies and how nothing changes on the internet.

I'll respond to leyet's latest round of vacuous bluster later on.

 

[Demon]

Lol...when was this time when politicians weren't greedy corrupt slimeballs?

I feel so sorry for people like leyet and this guy. They don't even realize they've been beaten into submission by the same corrupt system they're dissing. They think apathy is being rebellious when really they're doing exactly what the powers that be want. They don't want you voting. They want you bytching about crooked politicians and conspiracies and how nothing changes on the internet.

I'll respond to leyet's latest round of vacuous bluster later on.

Youre just a liberal left winger that likes Obama. If it wasn't Obama, you'd still be voting democrat, no matter what was going on in your life. The "powers that be" have nothing to do with that. You still think your vote can make a difference, you still have "hope" and believe, that the party from which you swing on their ball hairs like vines, can change things for the better.

Nothing wrong with that...just own up to it. It's actually a bit admirable to be that optimistic about such a broken system. Naive, but admirable.

 

[zerozero]

If it wasn't Obama, you'd still be voting democrat, no matter what was going on in your life.

That's the only respectable approach as far as I'm concerned. The Dem/GOP platforms have been so far apart since the late 50s I can't imagine why people would select randomly in between them just cause they prefer a different guy at the helm. I'm beginning to suspect that there's a history deficit among some of the "they're all the same" crowd