i dont disagree.
but you know what else drives people into bankruptcy? a corporate sector obsessed with acquiring resources at the expense of everything else on the planet, a compliant and poorly regulated central banking system, and impotent government regulation.
Yeah, let's fix that by complaining and ranting and not voting.
so what good is saving a few hundo on school and house payments when youre slowly being financially dripped dry in a dozen other ways?
maybe we should focus on the more important issues yes? rather than focusing on the crumbs falling off the table.
Maybe you're in the 1% and you make a milly or something a year, but me saving a few thousand on credit card I refi'ed a chunk of my mortage on and my wife's students loan is big load off of us.
But again, you're setting up this false argument that somehow if you vote and pay attention to politics you're not focusing on structural problems that are more difficult to tackle.
And people are always going to "slowly be financially dripped." If you know of some utopian economic system that is 100% fair and leads to prosperity for all that exists somewhere in the world, please show it to me.
my question is valid. there can always be improvements made no matter what financial situation is inherited. in fact, since shyt was so bad under bush it should be even easier to make positive strides because there was so much room for improvement. this is a pretty simply concept
Asking how your life is better since Obama has been in office as a basis for choosing to vote or not vote is not a valid question because he entered office at the apex of the largest recession since the Great Depression. Not to mention Obama is only once branch of government. Obviously it's going to be several years, maybe a decade or more before there is appreciable, sustained turnaround just like the Great Depression and the Japanese recession of the 90's.
And a President isn't your personal babysitter. He's not supposed to hand you a job or put money in your pocket. He's supposed to do what he can within his role as the executive branch to foster an environment where the economy and can grow and hopefully average people can benefit from that.
There's some things I think Obama should've done with regard to the banks that I have voiced here on several occasions. But that's still a silly reason to say don't vote. He was the better choice and the guy closer to my views than McCain. That's a pretty simple concept.
currently all of the above are poorly managed and laws on the books hold little weight if they are not executed with integrity, and as of right now our political process has been robbed of its integrity.
Please point to me a moment in American history when the laws on the books were executed with integrity, since it was "robbed" of it.
Was it when your ancestors were in chains?
Or was it when they were getting lynched and disenfranchised in the south?
Or was it when people were dying from toxic products and work environments?
Or was it when little girls were being worked literally to death for 13 hours a day in horrible factory conditions?
Or was when people were being sent off to die in Vietnam?
Or when Japanese were getting interned into camps?
Or when women couldn't vote?
Or when black people couldn't vote?
Or when Hispanics were getting brutalized and segregated in California?
Or when the American Indians practically got exterminated off the face of the Earth?
Or when striking workers were being shot down in the streets by the national guard?
Or when you could put money in a bank and they could just go out of business and your money is gone?
Or when seniors were dying from having no healthcare after retirement?
Or when we were doing coups and assassinations to get rid of governments they couldn't exploit all over the world?
I don't seem to recall this mythological time when America was pristine and righteous and acted with integrity. I guess nobody should've ever voted and we'd all be better off.
i am not advocating apathy, in fact its the opposite. i am advocating that people become involved with civic engagement to a degree that we create real and sustainable improvement in the quality of EVERYONE'S life.
and if past experience has taught us anything, it's that the kind of change we really need as a society is not going to solely come from participating in our current political paradigm.
our current system has been completely compromised, economically, structurally, and morally. any significant social change that needs to come through our current political system is either going to come painfully slow, or not at all.
You are advocating apathy, you just don't know it apparently. All the civic engagement in the world ooesn't meant shyt if you don't vote. What is so hard for you to understand about this? You keep acting like activism and voting and mutually exclusive, when in reality, both are required for a nation to operate successfully.
and my stance would be blatantly obvious if you had read any of my posts in the past 5 years. but im starting to firmly believe that you have some kind of reading comprehension problem with whatever you read on sohh/hl cuz this shyt happens too often. you stay twisting words to fit what you want to believe, it's gotta stop.
all i do is list solutions dude... just read and comprehend
You do NOT list solutions. I've read your posts. I talk to you on the podcast. You have offered nothing. You can talk until your blue in the face about how the Federal Reserve and the government is evil, yadayadada and at the end of the day, you do not offer a solution to anything.
All you do is speak in vague, trite, platitudes and slogans and offer nothing just like you're doing now. People should get civic minded...okay. Cool. Then what? Post on message boards? Rant on podcasts? If you're proposing violent revolution are you scared to say it? Because I'm still waiting to hear exactly how "being civically engaged" leads to systemic reform while not voting. You said "Republicans are feeding you a bowl of shyt, Democrats are feeding you a bowl of shyt with honey. You need to stop accepting it and flip the table over." That stirs some serious emotion and may get you some "amens" and "welllls" in church, but it doesn't mean anything substantive.
Why don't you watch Malcolm X's "Bullet or ballot" speech? Or are you going to say Malcolm X is a brainwashed sheep.
No serious social activist or revolutionary in American history that got shyt accomplished ever adopted this idiotic, retarded, apathetic, downright stupid position of "fukk the evil system, don't vote" position you're taking. This a phenomena unique to this current generation of lazy youtube activist bums.
there are a few steps that need to come before the actual voting part. like chopping ben bernake's head off
And you can't even articulate what exactly Bernanke is doing wrong and what he should do. All you know is the Fed is evil and so is Bernanke because you saw a youtube video with scary music in the background.
bottom line is this. if things were socially and economically balanced in our country right now, and people's quality of life was at a decent level, then i can see being more complacent and compliant with our political process. but as a country we are driving off a fukking cliff right now... economically, militarily, environmentally, socially, educationally, our justice system, etc... all fukked. and we're getting fukked right along with it. and its unsustainable on every level and therefore must be reformed ASAP or disaster will strike US ALL.
youre living comfortably right now so it's hard for you to see it. but like my man lupe said, today you dont care, but tomorrow you definitely will.
really think about what im sayin
I have trust in myself that I can handle my affairs enough that I'll be good. Once again you're operating in this conspiracy bubble that somehow things were once great and noble and there's this secret plot by whoever to drive us all into poverty, instead of taking a more realistic and reasonable view that the world is complicated and integrated, America will inevitable fall off some from being THE superpower in the world while there is increasing competition from other nation emerging nations, and there have been serious flaws in our fiscal and monetary policy driven by arrogance, greed and faulty ideology, and that our standard of living will probably go down at some point and we will have to adapt just like every other powerful nation since the history of time. So that makes it hard to reason with you.
You're cool peoples and I like talking to you, but your worldview is erroneous. I don't know how many people of different ideological views have to try and tell you your views is flawed before you stop being stubborn. But you're like 30 now. You're getting a little too old to still be stuck in this silly, cartoonish "fukk the government and the fed they're evil" pseudorevolutionary mentality. Maybe you should join the rest of us adults in the real world at some point.
, and the DNC/RNC going on
just "dude.. dude.. did you ever think about this??" type threads
