Henry Louis Gates reputation not as good as I thought?

[eastsideTT]

i have no horse in this race but i can say that Ive met him before. dont really want to say where or how because id dox myself. I do know that at 3 different universities pay for cribs for him in 3 different cities all in very upmarket areas. i have also personally heard him "code switch" around different people. not making excuses for the guy but i guess its to be expected when you're literally feasting on the academia buffet.

 

[Geek Nasty]

Google "Beer Sumit".

Obama took the L on that one IMO. He elevated the cop who verifiably lied about the situation and used his power to "put a n***r in his place." well AFTER he knew Gates was the rightful home owner. It was early in his presidency if I remember right, I gave him a pass on it because he wrote that goat essay on racism. While in office

People don't even realize what a great President he was.

 

[MostReal]

We can have an entire forum about these professors and dept. chairs and who their true allegiances are to.

The Gates story surprises me a bit, though it shouldn't. He's reinventing his past and creating links to a segment of society that I didn't think he hand links to.
The Episcopalian thing and old money Blacks is something that I call them out about(every chance I get).
It went over my head the first 5-10 times I heard it, but I figured it out after a while. ...and like the Gates...they would volunteer the information in conversations unrelated to church or religion.
Now, when they bring it up..."We're Episc."...I correct them.."You're AME, not Episcopalian, right""They formed AME because Episc. church was discriminating against the Free Blacks, correct ?"
Wipes the smugness off their faces right away.

Only once did somebody say "no, we worship at so & so Episcopalian Church"....wiped the smile off my face.

I took a class about the Black church...and what denomination church you attend historically aligns with social class...and region.
I laughed in class because I grew up sometimes attending church in the denomination that was listed for the lowest rung....COGIC.

Great info didn't know this

 

[invalid]

We can have an entire forum about these professors and dept. chairs and who their true allegiances are to.

The Gates story surprises me a bit, though it shouldn't. He's reinventing his past and creating links to a segment of society that I didn't think he hand links to.
The Episcopalian thing and old money Blacks is something that I call them out about(every chance I get).
It went over my head the first 5-10 times I heard it, but I figured it out after a while. ...and like the Gates...they would volunteer the information in conversations unrelated to church or religion.
Now, when they bring it up..."We're Episc."...I correct them.."You're AME, not Episcopalian, right""They formed AME because Episc. church was discriminating against the Free Blacks, correct ?"
Wipes the smugness off their faces right away.

Only once did somebody say "no, we worship at so & so Episcopalian Church"....wiped the smile off my face.

I took a class about the Black church...and what denomination church you attend historically aligns with social class...and region.
I laughed in class because I grew up sometimes attending church in the denomination that was listed for the lowest rung....COGIC.

Allen and Jones actually separated from the Methodist Episcopal church which was a Methodist denomination at the time.

Formed the Free African Society which is where they clashed on direction.

Allen wanted to stay in the Methodist Episcopal denomination whereas Jones wanted to split from the church altogether.

Allen formed the African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Jones founded the African Protestant Episcopal Church. The “African Protestant” is not a separate offshoot of the Episcopal Church, but is an informal title that distinguishes and connects, as a web, the all-black congregations of the Episcopal Church found in every major city nationally. So for instance, Jones founded St. Thomas in Philly, the sister congregations to that church in, let’s say Chicago, is St. Thomas and St. Edmund’s, or in Boston, St. Cyprian.

And yeah, as you mentioned, there were definitely class stratifications, hence the “we were Episc....”.

But there were also class stratification within denominations themselves. So at least for the mainline churches, you can have an upper class Baptist Church or Methodist Church in a city, too. Most of the time, these were the oldest congregations of each respective church. For instance, in Manhattan, there is Abyssinian Baptist Church. A lot of prominent folks went there.

 

[invalid]

i have also personally heard him "code switch" around different people.

This is true, though, I don’t necessarily see anything wrong with tailoring yourself based on the audience.

 

[invalid]

I laughed in class because I grew up sometimes attending church in the denomination that was listed for the lowest rung....COGIC.

It’s funny that you say this because I attended an author reading and book signing and didn’t really know that certain denominations attracted certain classes of black folks before this. The author made a comment like, the Cogics looked down on the Pentecostals, and the AME’s looked down on the Cogics or something or the other. I had no experience with any of these churches so I found it enlightening.

 

[Pitfalls0117]

Read "The Condemnation of Little B" by Elaine Brown. She absolutely bodies him in one of the chapters. Has him quoted from a TV program saying something along the lines of "that average black man on the street corner may as well be a martian to me." Dude is the epitome of elitist academia.

Plus there are some pretty damning rumors that he went to Ghana to try and have WEB DuBois's body exhumed so that he could be reburied somewhere on Harvard's campus

 

[Take It In Blood]

He never did or said anything super outrageous (that I know of) but he's pretty much a standard bourgeois/Snobby black person, we've all encountered these types or have one in our fam.

Wouldn't go as far as calling him an uncle tom though, that word is reserved for people like Jesse Lee Peterson, Sheriff Clarke, Oshay Duke etc...


I do remember the cops arresting him claiming he broke into his own house

 

[invalid]

Plus there are some pretty damning rumors that he went to Ghana to try and have WEB DuBois's body exhumed so that he could be reburied somewhere on Harvard's campus

This does not surprise me......at all. He fashions himself as a Dubois successor after he took over that department at Harvard.

 

[Ill-Mind]

I believe it was John Henrik Clarke who called him “Skip the Truth” Gates

 

[chiefdogg]

Great info didn't know this

Same.

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

I will just say this, if you hate what Skip is doing, look at the Temple AfroAmerican studies dept. when the fukk has Harvard ever turned out anything that positively impacted black people’s lives? It is the embodiment of American education and a lot of folks in Afro Am Studies treat our people like animals in a zoo instead of like humans and historical figures.

Best believe he kicking it on Martha’s Vineyard with David Dinkins, Hank Aaron and other Boule members about to have brunch as we speak. The Ivy League schools are like Get Out, and in academia in general it is hard to escape the gaze of whiteness. These fools write about black history with white feelings in mind. These nikkas could have found the empirical data to hold white people accountable for a genocide but they don’t want to do that because it will piss off the Board of Trustees and shyt

 

[MajorVitaman]

Professional white ass kisser

 

[get these nets]

Allen and Jones actually separated from the Methodist Episcopal church which was a Methodist denomination at the time.

Formed the Free African Society which is where they clashed on direction.

Allen wanted to stay in the Methodist Episcopal denomination whereas Jones wanted to split from the church altogether.

Allen formed the African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Jones founded the African Protestant Episcopal Church. The “African Protestant” is not a separate offshoot of the Episcopal Church, but is an informal title that distinguishes and connects, as a web, the all-black congregations of the Episcopal Church found in every major city nationally. So for instance, Jones founded St. Thomas in Philly, the sister congregations to that church in, let’s say Chicago, is St. Thomas and St. Edmund’s, or in Boston, St. Cyprian.

And yeah, as you mentioned, there were definitely class stratifications, hence the “we were Episc....”.

But there were also class stratification within denominations themselves. So at least for the mainline churches, you can have an upper class Baptist Church or Methodist Church in a city, too. Most of the time, these were the oldest congregations of each respective church. For instance, in Manhattan, there is Abyssinian Baptist Church. A lot of prominent folks went there.

Thanks for the correction. The thing is ,the histories of Black religious denominations in this hemisphere are remarkably similar. Perhaps they heard AME and thought I said UBE. At any rate, each time I said this, the person FROZE in their tracks and changed the subject. I lived in Philly which was the center of the Free Black community (in the North) for a good amount of time....so I figured that what the modern day UBE is was affiliated with AME somehow.

And, yes....depending on the region....different churches and denominations represented the elite Black class. Dr. King's family headed such a Baptist Church in Atlanta....and Adam Clayton Powell's family headed the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem.
I think down south and in Memphis specifically COGIC is the church of some nouveau elites...but in the urban northeast it's associated with working class folks.

I've long since sold the main book from that class, but I might purchase it again for my personal library.

 

[get these nets]

I will just say this, if you hate what Skip is doing, look at the Temple AfroAmerican studies dept. when the fukk has Harvard ever turned out anything that positively impacted black people’s lives? It is the embodiment of American education and a lot of folks in Afro Am Studies treat our people like animals in a zoo instead of like humans and historical figures.

Best believe he kicking it on Martha’s Vineyard with David Dinkins, Hank Aaron and other Boule members about to have brunch as we speak. The Ivy League schools are like Get Out, and in academia in general it is hard to escape the gaze of whiteness. These fools write about black history with white feelings in mind. These nikkas could have found the empirical data to hold white people accountable for a genocide but they don’t want to do that because it will piss off the Board of Trustees and shyt

Let's keep it 100 about Temple,though.
Because of politics, they booted out the man who made the department what is was/is Dr. Assante. Real dirty,grimy stuff went down.

Like I said earlier in this thread, we can create a separate forum about these professors and dept. chairs and where their ACTUAL allegiances are. That's true for the ivory tower in general. 99 % of what these Af-Ams departments work on will never impact or benefit the average Black person in America.