Hebner says he believes Bret was in on the Screwjob

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:dead: at people still thinking it was a work. Also Bret wasn't taking the belt with him to WCW. Doing that would guarantee Owen, Bulldog(who only left because Bret got screwed), and Neidhart(see Bulldog) would get fukked over since they would have been left behind in the WWF. Vince was paranoid(with good reason) but was still foul.
 

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Based on Bruce Prichard's version of the story, no one knew about any of it besides Cokeboy, HBK, HHH and Hebner. Vince isn't talking to the truck since he was out there, and no one in Gorilla had any idea what was going on so it's not surprising the cameras didn't cut away from Bret.

I find this to be obviously bullshyt based on HBK's music immediately being cued up alone. Brisco obviously was in on it as well. Vince not being in Gorilla didn't mean shyt, he's not the only guy running it, and Gorilla isn't the same as the control truck, which is ran by the director and producers (I believe at the time Kerwin Silfies and Kevin Dunn) with little to no input from Vince. The production team was obviously informed of SOMETHING, maybe not the specifics, but they were obviously told to film everything and not turn the cameras/angles which has been the standard forever. At that point both Silfies and Dunn had been running the truck for like 15 years, the idea that they didn't know what to do because Vince wasn't there to tell them what to do is absurd.

I also believe Jim Ross was either in on it or knew enough about Vince/the business that he definitely expected it to go down based on his intro to the show and comments throughout, and in general he had a very bad tendency to spoil big angles going down all throughout the Attitude Era.
 

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Its interesting you say that. I remember years ago an English wrestler called Doug Williams was in TNA and just when he really started to pop he went on some indie promotion in the UK and read at a statement (that many at the time said was a work but he denied it was) talking about how some big international group of men had approached him about helping them with a plan of theirs. They had recognised pro wrestling and its potential to be used as a tool to push certain propaganda to the masses. The whole crowd thought it was a work though so the promoter of the promotion did a youtube video where he read the statement and again said this wasnt a storyline or a wrestling gimmick but a statement doug williams asked him to put out there.

He said this group with ties to the 'banking industry' had decided to work with the 'leading company in the pro wrestling market' now for this purpose and as a result they would be eventually taking over said company.

He said in the mean time however that company was to go about destroying and tearing about all competition to its position as the dominant force. We would see this 'leading company in the wrestling business' raid talents from rival promotions all over the world but especially the emerging market in the UK. He then said they would also use tactics like position agents within rival promotions, these people will arrive under the guise of trying to help but really they were there to stifle the progress of the company. He mentioned TNA by name when he said this and said TNA was a victim of this very thing and they were agents in and coming to TNA to destroy it but acting as if they are there to help further the company.

Eventually the owner of that 'leading company in pro wrestling' will sell his company to these interests.

I wasn't sure it was a work at the time because the promoter said in the video, this isn't a storyline or a wrestling angle, if it did turn out to be a work then he was totally shytting on kayfabe but i watched wrestling ever since with that in mind and its incredible how everything he said over these years has come true.

It started with Hulk Hogan then arriving in TNA, with great creative control, Eric Bischoff in tow and the promise of helping them compete. First thing they did was get rid of the 6 sided ring and then go head to head with RAW on Mondays and soon impact became the Hogan show. Ric flair also arrived in TNA soon after despite supposedly retiring in WWE. TNA was on the brink of seriously competing with WWE, TNA had a better product, a must watch knockout division long before the WWE women's revolution and half the stars killing it in WWE now. Look at impact now. The likes of Hogan, Flair, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Sean waltman came in and then left as the ship sank and are all back with WWE

WWE has been poaching the top stars from the competition all over the world, particularly destroying the UK indie scene just as Doug Williams said they would. Signing stars and now making them sign exclusive contracts, and the birth of NXT UK. These things have meant death for the UK indie scene which was starting to blow up, Channel 4 in the UK had actually signed on to AIR a British wrestling show, WWEs moves killed those plans.

And the owner of said 'leading company in pro wrestling' well every year since without fail Vince and other top WWE executives have been selling stocks and shares in the company. Vince acts like he doesn't care about the product atm. He is also attempting to bring back the XFL


Hogan, Nash, and Hall was literally called the New World Order
 

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I find this to be obviously bullshyt based on HBK's music immediately being cued up alone. Brisco obviously was in on it as well. Vince not being in Gorilla didn't mean shyt, he's not the only guy running it, and Gorilla isn't the same as the control truck, which is ran by the director and producers (I believe at the time Kerwin Silfies and Kevin Dunn) with little to no input from Vince. The production team was obviously informed of SOMETHING, maybe not the specifics, but they were obviously told to film everything and not turn the cameras/angles which has been the standard forever. At that point both Silfies and Dunn had been running the truck for like 15 years, the idea that they didn't know what to do because Vince wasn't there to tell them what to do is absurd.

I also believe Jim Ross was either in on it or knew enough about Vince/the business that he definitely expected it to go down based on his intro to the show and comments throughout, and in general he had a very bad tendency to spoil big angles going down all throughout the Attitude Era.

I can buy Brisco and JR being in on it. I doubt the guys in the truck knew the extent of it. The cameras staying on is a natural instinct especially if you have no idea what's happening.
 

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I can buy Brisco and JR being in on it. I doubt the guys in the truck knew the extent of it. The cameras staying on is a natural instinct especially if you have no idea what's happening.

The cameras staying on it is the opposite of every instinct you have as a WWE camera man. You don't film shyt going off script or off kilter has always been the rule, and if you film it, you definitely cut to a different angle so they audience doesn't know what's going on. Instead, the camera crew caught every bit of it from every possible angle, all of which was ready to be used and turned into an angle the very next night.

For fukk's sake, The Monday Night Wars revealed even MORE angles of all the shyt they caught from angles they never have cameras set up for normally, especially at that time. There is zero chance that the production team wasn't made aware that something was going to happen that would be going down and to make sure to not cut the cameras or the angles. They literally had extra cameras in the venue to capture it all :mjlol:
 

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I see it this way, you're in an pro wrestling environment where you already had a woman you trusted enough to crown your champion go to your competition and throw your belt in the trash on live TV. If I'm Vince, I dont trust ANYBODY.

I mean again lawsuits occurred from those previous actions and Bret had 3 weeks the contract and people already knew he was coming

They had enough time to take it off him anytime anywhere after Montreal
 

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Hogan, Nash, and Hall was literally called the New World Order

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Theres a couple skips in the video, i dont believe this is the full statement, but theres still alot in this.

The statement also alleges these 'group of powerful international businessmen' have a chosen plant within WWE. It seems obvious to me if this is true, who the chosen plant is, HHH.
 
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