Have y’all noticed younger Blacks don’t really fw Soul Food

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So greens aren't healthy now? And yes they can be prepared in ways that we still can get all the health benefits
yea greens are healthy, but the way granny and aunt betty used to make them for "soul food" dinners weren't (using bacon slices, hamhocks, turkey wings, too much salt, etc.)...let's stop acting like we haven't actively had to lighten up traditional preparations to make what's considered traditional southern soul food healthier.


if yall families spanning back to the generations born in the 10's-50's were already on the healthy soul food wave, bravo, but as i said earlier in the thread, i never experienced people making healthy traditional dishes until the people born in 60's-80's started caring about healthier food and started making these dishes healthier.
 
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Yup. Pretty much various combos of Rice and Soup (well in America we say stew/gravy).

Lol depending how country you are you put the Stew/gravy over the rice which is how they serve the dishes in West africa.

no doubt


People are downplaying the innovation of black people in that they literally had to create new dishes due to lack of access to some of the traditional ingredients they were used to. I will say the close to water people were the closer it resembled west african dishes. Then of course the intro of new ingredients not found in west Africa introduced new meals.

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This. A thread put me up on game on how they were starved. Cruel AF! Also, no energy to revolt and fight back. They were too hungry to even fathom that.


Frederick Douglass On How Slave Owners Used Food As A Weapon Of Control




Hunger was the young Fred's faithful boyhood companion. "I have often been so pinched with hunger, that I have fought with the dog – 'Old Nep' – for the smallest crumbs that fell from the kitchen table, and have been glad when I won a single crumb in the combat," he wrote in My Bondage and My Freedom. "Many times have I followed, with eager step, the waiting-girl when she went out to shake the table cloth, to get the crumbs and small bones flung out for the cats."

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As a young enslaved boy in Baltimore, Frederick Douglass bartered pieces of bread for lessons in literacy. His teachers were white neighborhood kids, who could read and write but had no food. At 20, he ran away to New York and started his new life as an anti-slavery orator and activist.

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"Never mind, honey—better day comin,' " the elders would say to solace the orphaned boy. It was not just the family pets the child had to compete with. One of the most debasing scenes in Douglass' first memoir, Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, describes the way he ate:

"Our food was coarse corn meal boiled. This was called mush. It was put into a large wooden tray or trough, and set down upon the ground. The children were then called, like so many pigs, and like so many pigs they would come and devour the mush; some with oyster-shells, others with pieces of shingle, some with naked hands, and none with spoons. He that ate fastest got most; he that was strongest secured the best place; and few left the trough satisfied."

Douglass makes it a point to nail the boastful lie put out by slaveholders – one that persists to this day – that "their slaves enjoy more of the physical comforts of life than the peasantry of any country in the world."

In truth, rations consisted of a monthly allowance of a bushel of third-rate corn, pickled pork (which was "often tainted") and "poorest quality herrings" – barely enough to sustain grown men and women through their backbreaking labors in the field. Not all the enslaved, however, were so ill-fed. Waiting at the "glittering table of the great house" – a table loaded with the choicest meats, the bounty of the Chesapeake Bay, platters of fruit, asparagus, celery and cauliflower, cheese, butter, cream and the finest wines and brandies from France – was a group of black servants chosen for their loyalty and comely looks. These glossy servants constituted "a sort of black aristocracy," wrote Douglass. By elevating them, the slave owner was playing the old divide-and-rule trick, and it worked. The difference, Douglass wrote, "between these favored few, and the sorrow and hunger-smitten multitudes of the quarter and the field, was immense."

The "hunger-smitten multitudes" did what they could to supplement their scanty diets. "They did this by hunting, fishing, growing their own vegetables – or stealing," says Frederick Douglass Opie, professor of history and foodways at Babson College, who, of course, is named after the activist. "In their moral universe, they felt, 'You stole me, you mistreated me, therefore to steal from you is quite normal.' " If caught, say, eating an orange from the owner's abundant fruit garden, the punishment was flogging. When even this proved futile, a tar fence was erected around the forbidden fruit. Anyone whose body bore the merest trace of tar was brutally whipped by the chief gardener.

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yea greens are healthy, the way granny and aunt betty used to make them for "soul food" dinners weren't (using bacon slices, hamhocks, turkey wings, too much salt, etc.)...let's stop acting like we haven't actively had to lighten up traditional preparations to make what's considered traditional southern soul food healthier.


if yall families spanning back to the generations born in the 10's-50's were already on the healthy soul food wave, bravo, but as i said earlier in the thread, i never experienced people making healthy traditional dishes until the people born in 60's-80's started caring about healthier food and started making these dishes healthier.
It ain’t about “healthy soul food”, Soul Food has been adjusting since it’s evolution here just like we as a people have adjusted our living here in America.

We’ve had to lighten up recipes a little due to the change in lifestyle. Rural vs. Urban, most of us aren’t working sun up to sun down in the fields burning calories out the ass, gotta get food from stores only, etc. Collards, mustards, turnips, aren’t inherently unhealthy either, the preparation only needs minor adjustments and moderation, which we already do now. My grandma’s generation and older ate Soul Food a helluva lot more then we do now...yet our health issues persist? So what’s really the issue?
 

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Most of it is unhealthy but good af. I could eat it everyday:mjlit: I’d prolly die by 40 though.:francis:



The new generation is all about vegan, healthy options. This new health craze basically. Its a good thing if u ask me
 

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It ain’t about “healthy soul food”, Soul Food has been adjusting since it’s evolution here just like we as a people have adjusted our living here in America.

We’ve had to lighten up recipes a little due to the change in lifestyle. Rural vs. Urban, most of us aren’t working sun up to sun down in the fields burning calories out the ass, gotta get food from stores only, etc. Collards, mustards, turnips, aren’t inherently unhealthy either, the preparation only needs minor adjustments and moderation, which we already do now. My grandma’s generation and older ate Soul Food a helluva lot more then we do now...yet our health issues persist? So what’s really the issue?
still eating wrong for our bodies...just cuz people stopped consuming soul food as much doesn't mean we as a people have replaced it with healthier alternatives, doesn't mean we're not eating too many calories, too many (simple) carbs and sugar (the number of threads in this forum alone where people can't give up soda while others tell them drink juice instead of soda alone is enough to let you know we haven't educated ourselves about nutrition), fatty foods, not enough veggies and fruit (again, just on this forum you'll see people admit to not eating these food groups).


pair that with food deserts, poor living conditions, high stress lives, poverty, predispositions to certain diseases and less access to (or use of) medical care, those are all reasons health issues persist


furthermore, i don't think this thread was really focusing on millennialized "healthy soul food", it's clear they were talking the shyt our grandparents/parents used to throw down.
 

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and less access to (or use of) medical care,

We can leave it at less "access"...with us being constantly inudated with stats of our precarious financial and employment situation, i dont understand how we dont fully incorporate that into our healthcare "decisions " (i use that lightly)

We wouldnt flat out say that the working class makes "poor use of" private education, we simply accept that they cant afford it

Underemployment and and unemployment will lead to under and uninsured. We talk as if healthcare isnt luxury item with a luxury price that often cripples those some will consider "well off"...

We need to take black healthcare discussions beyond the cultural stubbornness trope as theres a whole lot more than that at play...

I trip at how working class black is spoken "at" or "of" vs with
 

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when i was in japan. The most popular form of ramen had PORK BELLY in it. Being consumed out there with no fukks giving

You have to be an idiot to down your own culture

Italians talking about "but theres too much cheese, its so unhealthy:mjcry:" lol

You can literally get lost in the depths of our culinary culture, yet idiots are focusing on chitlins and pig feet.

Acting with a degree of militancy unaware that your falling right into "massa's" hands:mjlol:

Even in the AAfram national museum, their food court consisted of various dishes from around the nation. Soulfood could have nothing to do with pork if you dont want it too
plenty of afram Muslims eat a form of soulfood:stopitslime:

Right. Everyone knows Italians don't eat the stereotypical 'Italian' dinner ever-day, just like Mexicans aren't eating Tacos and Burritos everyday so why is soul-food presented in such a fixed manner every time the discussion comes up? You go to a house in Italy and you're more likely to find them eating escarole and beans, cabbage and rice or Lentil soup, just like back in the day, you go over to a black household and would get rice and cabbage or rice and beans or maybe cornbread and beans or collards. That super heavy stuff has always been reserved for 'special occasions' ... People not fat from soul-food, they fat cause they lazy.

I just don't get it...claim soul food is unhealthy but eat the equivalent amount of calories at Shake Shack...... Claim soul food is unhealthy but eat a 1,241 calorie bowl of Ramen, with around 3000mg of sodium, but because it's Japanese and not black it's healthy....
 

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We can leave it at less "access"...with us being constantly inudated with stats of our precarious financial and employment situation, i dont understand how we dont fully incorporate that into our healthcare "decisions " (i use that lightly)

We wouldnt flat out say that the working class makes "poor use of" private education, we simply accept that they cant afford it

Underemployment and and unemployment will lead to under and uninsured. We talk as if healthcare isnt luxury item with a luxury price that often cripples those some will consider "well off"...

We need to take black healthcare discussions beyond the cultural stubbornness trope as theres a whole lot more than that at play...

I trip at how working class black is spoken "at" or "of" vs with
bro, i included "use of" because i feel it's true. there are plenty of us with insurance who don't utilize it the way we should. across my family and social network, i've seen the stereotype of black people not wanting to go to the doctor play out as true. even i used to not go unless i was in serious pain, but after seeing others like that take a trip to the doctor and end up having a late stage or advanced illness due to years of not going to the doc, i've had to actively make routine physicals something i do 1-2 times/year.
 

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bro, i included "use of" because i feel it's true. there are plenty of us with insurance who don't utilize it the way we should. across my family and social network, i've seen the stereotype of black people not wanting to go to the doctor play out as true. even i used to not go unless i was in serious pain, but after seeing others like that take a trip to the doctor and end up having a late stage or advanced illness due to years of not going to the doc, i've had to actively make routine physicals something i do 1-2 times/year.

I can dig that

But my ultimate point is that actions or inactions that result from duress anxiety or other compromised states of being shouldn't be oversimplified as a "choice "

Were being trained to extend that courtesy to suicide victims so that humanity should be applied to black peoples "choices" as well, off gp
 

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Right. Everyone knows Italians don't eat the stereotypical 'Italian' dinner ever-day, just like Mexicans aren't eating Tacos and Burritos everyday so why is soul-food presented in such a fixed manner every time the discussion comes up? You go to a house in Italy and you're more likely to find them eating escarole and beans, cabbage and rice or Lentil soup, just like back in the day, you go over to a black household and would get rice and cabbage or rice and beans or maybe cornbread and beans or collards. That super heavy stuff has always been reserved for 'special occasions' ... People not fat from soul-food, they fat cause they lazy.

I just don't get it...claim soul food is unhealthy but eat the equivalent amount of calories at Shake Shack...... Claim soul food is unhealthy but eat a 1,241 calorie bowl of Ramen, with around 3000mg of sodium, but because it's Japanese and not black it's healthy....

For shizzle....i reject this chitlins overabundance talk wholeheartedly....that shyt is made a few times a year TOPS...in most households....in my experience, its only readily available around thanksgiving
 

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still eating wrong for our bodies...just cuz people stopped consuming soul food as much doesn't mean we as a people have replaced it with healthier alternatives, doesn't mean we're not eating too many calories, too many (simple) carbs and sugar (the number of threads in this forum alone where people can't give up soda while others tell them drink juice instead of soda alone is enough to let you know we haven't educated ourselves about nutrition), fatty foods, not enough veggies and fruit (again, just on this forum you'll see people admit to not eating these food groups).


pair that with food deserts, poor living conditions, high stress lives, poverty, predispositions to certain diseases and less access to (or use of) medical care, those are all reasons health issues persist


furthermore, i don't think this thread was really focusing on millennialized "healthy soul food", it's clear they were talking the shyt our grandparents/parents used to throw down.
none of the hypertension,obesity and health problems have anything to do with Afram consumption of soul food

Its fast foods and poor diet/exercise

people are goin in on popeyes,bojangles and churchs chicken in place of homecooked meals

As a sister im not going to knock you down. But most chicks who shyt on this couldnt cook or adopted a millenial aspect of cooking. That doesnt hold weight or water to their maternal predecessors. In spite, you spite traditional cooking. Cooking that black women have made a staple on a global scale. To counteract this you use the modern "healthy" angle. With no knowledge that its not even culturally correct for AAFRAMS to eat huge hefty soul food meals on a consistent basis in the first place

Men and women who spite soul food simply grew up in a family that cant cook. Theres no other way around it

Theres no other fundamental way around it. Hating on soul food in essence, is hating on granmas/ma'ma's home cooking. And thats a violation in ANY CULTURE
 

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i have noticed this, it mostly because millennials are on that health food wave and nobody has tried to put a healthy alternative twist to soul food yet. at not in mainstream way.
Millennial's are waiting for that gluten free organic vegan friendly naturally sweetened peach cobbler.

That would be fukking disgusting :scust:
 

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none of the hypertension,obesity and health problems have anything to do with Afram consumption of soul food

Its fast foods and poor diet/exercise

people are goin in on popeyes,bojangles and churchs chicken in place of homecooked meals

As a sister im not going to knock you down. But most chicks who shyt on this couldnt cook or adopted a millenial aspect of cooking. That doesnt hold weight or water to their maternal predecessors. In spite, you spite traditional cooking. Cooking that black women have made a staple on a global scale. To counteract this you use the modern "healthy" angle. With no knowledge that its not even culturally correct for AAFRAMS to eat huge hefty soul food meals on a consistent basis in the first place

Men and women who spite soul food simply grew up in a family that cant cook. Theres no other way around it

Theres no other fundamental way around it. Hating on soul food in essence, is hating on granmas/ma'ma's home cooking. And thats a violation in ANY CULTURE
Also stress. People underestimate the amount of stress many black folks live under and what it does to our health
 
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