Have Men Oppressed Women?

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Man you male feminists are the worst.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

tell me you hate me

I don't hate ya breh

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Example?

Do I have an example of a Patriarchal society that doesn't oppress women or hasn't ... no.
Could I find one if I looked hard enough? Probably.

but

pa·tri·arch·y
ˈpātrēˌärkē/
noun

1. 1.
   a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
   
   that's the definition of Patriachy and it really has nothing to do with oppression. Absolute power corrupts... just make sure the power isn't absolute and has checks and balances... It's human nature for someone to get corrupt by too much power man or woman.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

It's not "barbarism". It's the social equivalent of natural selection. Patriarchy has been the norm because patriarchy works. There are no matriarchal societies to speak of, so the logical conclusion to draw is that they don't work. That's how natural selection works, isn't it? It may not be pretty or fair. But those are human notions. What is fair in the face of nature? Is it fair that the homo sapiens survived and prospered while the neanderthal and other homo variations didn't? The answer doesn't really matter. What matters is that the homo sapiens survived because it worked. The others didn't.

I'm sorry if I've given offense to anybody, but in my opinion there is absolutely no way around that universal truth.

life isn't fair and nature isn't fair I agree. Nature is balanced... but not fair.... fair doesn't mean balanced. Fairness is just appeasing someone's ego because they can't have exactly what another person has or the same amount... childish. All we need to make sure of is that we all as humans are allowed our God given rights.. that's all. No more no less, the rest should be up to the individual to make up for whatever they are lacking in.

 

[Mr. Pink]

This isn't no universal truth lol this is your interpretation from an authoritarian perspective

How is it an authoritarian perspective?

First of, patriarchy hasn't been the norm because patriarchy works, it's "the norm" because the benefits, and the want of power. The same way capitalism doesn't "work" ie: rome & greece, all of this is fueled by the selfish and cruel nature of man, not the logical aspect. thankfully, unlike you, my logic controls my feelings, not the other way around

It's actually the other way around. My feelings don't control my logic. If I had my druthers then women would be equal to men. In fact if I had my druthers we would experience utopia. But ,y feelings are irrelevant, and so are yours. And so is our logic. Why? Because neither our feelings or our knowledge has any impact on nature.

To use the existence for something for a long period of time as evidence that is works is just straight up stupid because "working" is subjective

Is it though? Humanity has survived and prospered under patriarchy. If that isn't evidence, what is?
Thare are no successful matriarchal societies. If that isn't evidence, what is?

we evolve, our knowledge, and understanding of things doesn't come to a halt. we aren't finished beings, bro.

Here I can actually agree with you.

Communism didn't work in the USSR...yet it has survived in Cuba and China. Would you say that communism, as a system, is then successful or unsuccessful?

I'd say it didn't work in the USSr and yet it survives in Cuba and China, lol. I understand what you're getting at, but the difference is that we have no succesful matriarchal society to compare to ours. Perhaps we will.

Also, it is a fact that patriarchy still rules, but women are gaining more rights and respect as a whole, so this to me, signifies a gradual deviance from patriarchy.

That's true. We'll just have to wait and hope things will be better for it.

 

[Desirous]

@Mr. Pink
Getting your quotes mixed up

 

[Raava]

Why is it that the leading figures in basically every field you can think of are made up in vast proportion by men? You can look around you and know that everything you see was built by men. If that isn't an indicator that men as a whole are more competent than women, what is?

You are acting like women even were allowed to contribute in all those things. Even if they did would they have even gotten credit? When the men went off to World War II, who was here doing everything? Women. Like @biscuitsnbangers said, the majority of the arguments you are making can be made by white racist about any minority and they do.

Why were they able to be controlled or enslaved?

Why are they taken advantage of?

Why don't we hear more about their contributions?

Look at how they handle themselves in the workplace or relationships, I watch them.

How come they haven't reached the top of society?

They have some leader's and strong people but how come there aren't more?

I know! Because they are oppressed.

 

[Mr. Pink]

So I did. Thanks.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

You are acting like women even were allowed to contribute in all those things. Even if they did would they have even gotten credit? When the men went off to World War II, who was here doing everything? Women. Like @biscuitsnbangers said, the majority of the arguments you are making can be made by white racist about any minority and they do.

Why were they able to be controlled or enslaved?

Why are they taken advantage of?

Why don't we hear more about their contributions?

Look at how they handle themselves in the workplace or relationships, I watch them.

How come they haven't reached the top of society?

They have some leader's and strong people but how come there aren't more?

I know! Because they are oppressed.

wait because there aren't more female leaders this automatically means they are oppressed ok. So If I don't have a female in my 5 on 5 basketball game it's because im oppressing them? Or maybe it's because no females showed up.

We do hear about women's contributions all the time. Even for the ww2 thing that was brought up. There's posters from that era for God's sake.

Why are women taken advantage of? For the same reason anyone is.

Why were women able to be controlled and enslaved? The answer is because they were able to. You answered your own question. We were created to have equal rights but not equal strength and roles... the more people fight that the more chaos and unhappiness it's going to create.

 

[Raava]

wait because there aren't more female leaders this automatically means they are oppressed ok. So If I don't have a female in my 5 on 5 basketball game it's because im oppressing them? Or maybe it's because no females showed up.

We do hear about women's contributions all the time. Even for the ww2 thing that was brought up. There's posters from that era for God's sake.

Why are women taken advantage of? For the same reason anyone is.

Why were women able to be controlled and enslaved? The answer is because they were able to. You answered your own question. We were created to have equal rights but not equal strength and roles... the more people fight that the more chaos and unhappiness it's going to create.

I do believe you missed the point of the post.

 

[Mr. Pink]

You are acting like women even were allowed to contribute in all those things. Even if they did would they have even gotten credit? When the men went off to World War II, who was here doing everything? Women. Like @biscuitsnbangers said, the majority of the arguments you are making can be made by white racist about any minority and they do.

Why were they able to be controlled or enslaved?

Why are they taken advantage of?

Why don't we hear more about their contributions?

Look at how they handle themselves in the workplace or relationships, I watch them.

How come they haven't reached the top of society?

They have some leader's and strong people but how come there aren't more?

I know! Because they are oppressed.

But that's circular logic. They were opressed because they were opressed, lol.

Do you have any thoughts on why they were opressed, beyond the white man is evil? Again, I don't mean to give offense. But it's not a question of morality. Yes opression is morally wrong and they shouldn't have done it. But this discussion was about power/competence/capability.

 

[SumBlackguyz]

only on the coli and twitter

 

[NotaPAWG]

Is it though? Humanity has survived and prospered under patriarchy. If that isn't evidence, what is?
Thare are no successful matriarchal societies. If that isn't evidence, what is?

the argument from ignorance could easily refute this

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

But that's circular logic. They were opressed because they were opressed, lol.

Do you have any thoughts on why they were opressed, beyond the white man is evil? Again, I don't mean to give offense. But it's not a question of morality. Yes opression is morally wrong and they shouldn't have done it. But this discussion was about power/competence/capability.

it's not circular logic you just didn't pick up what I was saying. Men oppressed them because they could because they were weaker.

If I got a big ass 44 long in my overcoat can you oppress me? You can't.

The white oppression is almost another topic.

just study the laws of nature and human nature. The weak rule over the strong. Obviously we are not animals and we created the moral law, usually through religion or etc.

Not everyone follows the law..some even twist and pervert it. It all goes back to human nature.

When the amount of amoral people outnumbers the moral then the status quo of oppression will remain... and that's that.

The good news is that when this happens that's usually a sign that said society is about to break down.

 

[Mr. Pink]

it's not circular logic you just didn't pick up what I was saying. Men oppressed them because they could because they were weaker.

If I got a big ass 44 long in my overcoat can you oppress me? You can't.

The white oppression is almost another topic.

just study the laws of nature and human nature. The weak rule over the strong. Obviously we are not animals and we created the moral law, usually through religion or etc.

Not everyone follows the law..some even twist and pervert it. It all goes back to human nature.

When the amount of amoral people outnumbers the moral then the status quo of oppression will remain... and that's that.

The good news is that when this happens that's usually a sign that said society is about to break down.

I didn't quote you, I quoted raedawn07. You and I are in agreement, lol.