Has there ever been players as successful this early as Jokic and Doncic be so culturally insignificant?

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When it comes to MJ you forgot the most important ingredient...from an aesthetic perspective, Jordan had one of the most entertaining styles of play in NBA history.

Jokic's style of play is only pleasing to hardcore bball heads, not the casual fan.
Thats true too
 

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Luka was #6 in jersey sales in Jan. I bet higher after season end. Jokic 14
 

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You know what’s interesting about some of euro players is that they all kinda reflect older euro players, and basically are the copies in the league, like you can see the linage, like it’s dirk clones, sabonis clones, and Tony kuco clones

I guess to keep it somewhat international embid kinda hakeem, I’m not sure who ganis would be probably an American player, Wemby you could probably name a couple dudes, dudes like og bol bol

It’s kinda the same with American players
 

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It's because they're not White Americans.
See since the NBA is an American product, a Euro player dominating and having success isn't going to resonate with most fans, particularly White fans. A White athlete will only go so far if White people are standing behind them.

Take Caitlin Clark for example, if she was a White Euro woman people wouldn't have railed (to the overwhelming extent we saw) behind her as much because they wouldn't be able to relate but, since she's an American-born White woman from Iowa representing what's commonly considered a “Middle America” state she resonated with lots of people especially White so she blew up culturally in the women's college basketball world.

Subconsciously people like to champion someone they can relate to and by that, I mean racially and ethnically. I'm many Black American NBA fans like Jokic and Luka from a talent perspective but there's no need to relate to them when many great Black Americans are playing in the league now.

The Great White Hope is usually made about an American-born White athlete defying the odds and dominating a sport/opponent. Luka and Jokic despite being White (in appearance) they're not American so they won't ever blow up on a cultural level like say Larry Bird, Caitlin Clark, Austin Reeves, Alex Caruso, and many other White athletes who were culturally celebrated in their respective sports.
 
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can’t go on the court and emulate big man play, being foreign doesn’t help either. That’s the reason why Luka is the most popular out of Gianni’s, Embid and Joker
 

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Cooper Flagg is going to restore the American feeling when he gets to the NBA :myman:

Black American basketball outlook is troubling once Curry, Bron and Durant retire.

That NCAA tournament on the men’s side was very sobering
 

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The Great White Hope is usually made about an American-born White athlete defying the odds and dominating a sport/opponent. Luka and Jokic despite being White (in appearance) they're not American so they won't ever blow up on a cultural level like say Larry Bird, Caitlin Clark, Austin Reeves, Alex Caruso, and many other White athletes who were culturally celebrated in their respective sports.

How do you explain Dirk Nowitski's popularity during the early to mid career run?
 

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That white American shyt is overblown. How much attention has Chet Holmgren gotten this year? He should be Bird to Wemby’s Magic if people really cared that much. Tyler Herro, Austin Reeves, Gordon Hayward, Kevin Love have all been high profile white Americans over the last 10 years and none of them moved the needle like that.

White people care but not as much as y’all seem to think
 
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