Has any modern basketball players career had more help around him than Kobe?

[Reid2Achieve]

Larry Bird

 

[Reggie]

OH shyt DONT FORGET KWAMI BROWN AND SMUSH PARKER

In 2004 Kobe went to the finals in Shaq's last year though. In 05 he was out the off and 06 and 07 he was first round exit status (that's on him for not realizing what he had with Shaq there). By 08 Kobe was back in the finals. So i ain't trying to hear that wasted his prime. I honestly don't think Kobe would take back those 06 and 07 years for a ring. Those two years are where he went from great to legendary.

 

[Reggie]

In 2004 Kobe went to the finals in Shaq's last year though. In 05 he was out the off and 06 and 07 he was first round exit status (that's on him for not realizing what he had with Shaq there). By 08 Kobe was back in the finals. So i ain't trying to hear that wasted his prime. I honestly don't think Kobe would take back those 06 and 07 years for a ring. Those two years are where he went from great to legendary.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Basketball is a team sport

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Yeah. That nikka Shaq wasn't shyt either.

And fukk Wilt Chamberlain and Magic Johnson too btw. They played with hella all-stars and HOFs. Magic aint never carried shyt dolo and Kareem numbers are inflated.

Derek Jeter and Reggie Jackson can eat a dikk too.

That nikka Mike wouldn't have been shyt either if he hadn't had the greatest coach ever and a top 50 goat in Scottie and all stars like Rodman and Grant.

That CAC Brett Favre aint shyt either. That CAC had pro bowlers in Freeman, Brooks, and Chmura.

That gay CAC Troy Aikman aint shyt either. He had one of the greatest lines of all time for 4 years straight plus hall of famers in Moose, Emmit and the playmaker.

Yeah. That funky honkey Bird overrated too because he played with 4 HOFs over his career. He didn't "carry" his team by himself.

Dat nikka Paul Pierce a p*ssy too because he couldn't win unless he had 2 HOFs and an all star playing with him too.

You know who else aint shyt.....Super Joe Montana....That's right.

That sissy white boy don't deserve none of his accolades because he played under one of the greatest coaches ever, and had the GOAT receiver plus a HOF RB on his squad. He didn't "carry" his team.

Man. Dr. J punk ass would have never been shyt if wasn't for Andrew Toney and Moses. They need stop making commercials with his old overrated ass because he couldn't "carry" his team all by his lonesome

This applies to coaches too. Oh yes sir. God Bless the dead but Coach Wooden wasn't shyt. That's right.

He wasn't shyt. Hell he had Lou Alcindor, Bill Walton, Jamal Wlkes, and Gail Goodrich. Who can't win with them.

With that being said. I gotta take back what I said about Phil Jackson earlier.

He aint a GOAT coach. That motherfukka is a fraud. I mean who can't win with MJ, or Kobe & Shaq, right? RIGHT?

 

[Super Cheech]

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[Midwest]

Negged

 

[calh45]

Larry Bird

Of course the threadstarter dropped "modern" in the question so he probably won't consider this answer valid. All those dynasties were loaded. MJ and Magic had a shytload of help too.

I hate when cats wanna frame discussions to try to prove a point that's incorrect in the first place. Kobe's "help" was some sort of half assed PG, two moody ass stars (Pau and Lamar), one bat shyt crazy defender (Ron) and a bonafide HOF (shaq).

This is coming from a fukking warriors fan. If you don't like dude just say so don't make sideways ass threads tryna discredit someone that's clearly one of the greatest players ever.

 

[bangedher_wholesquad]

Kobe is just good. Maybe not Jordan good. but pretty damn close. That being said you can make that argument with any team that won a ship cuz there are going to be other all-stars and HOF's just cuz you basically need that to win a ship.

 

[holidayinn21]

I just wanna preface this by saying this is an awful thread, and what I'm about to type won't mean much. but:

penny
grant
D3
anderson
kobe
van exel
jones
wade
nash
amare
lebronze
KG
allen
pierce

 

[SEC Hater]

This dude has played with 9 different all stars in his career. While Jordan only had one. And nikkas try and talk about Lebron How can he even be mentioned with Legends like MJ, Magic, Bird, Barkley, Malone who actually carried their teams.

Van Exel
Eddie Jones
Shaq
Rice
Payton
Malone
Gasol
Howard
Nash

I see what you're saying, but the argument is invalid considering some of the players you're naming are players who were way past their prime by the time they got to LA or were traded shortly after Kobe entered the League


Pretty sure Van Exel and Jones were only all stars on the same team as Kobe one or two years, Payton, Malone and Rice were not All-Stars by the time they got to LA


Barkley played with Juluis Erving, Moses Malone, KJ, Dan Marjele, The Dream & Clyde Drexler

Bird played with a lot of hall of famers/all stars

LeBron - Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen

Magic - Lots of hall of famers/all stars

Malone - Stockton, Shaq, Kobe, Payton

Mike - 5 hall of famers during career

You can name numerous great players who have played with former all stars, washed up future hall of famers, players who were at the end of their career, or players who became all stars after they left that team

Point is, title of the thread should have been "Kobe cant win without a great big man" for Kobe, everybody else he's played with has been pretty much irrelevant other than Robert Horry, who was huge during the first title run, and should be in the hall based on number of rings and clutchness alone

 

[Colejeezy]

So its his fault the laker management knows how to build championship teams? what kind of loser ass logic is that

 

[William Bassington]

Y'all bitter

 

[swag2011]

I see what you're saying, but the argument is invalid considering some of the players you're naming are players who were way past their prime by the time they got to LA or were traded shortly after Kobe entered the League


Pretty sure Van Exel and Jones were only all stars on the same team as Kobe one or two years, Payton, Malone and Rice were not All-Stars by the time they got to LA


Barkley played with Juluis Erving, Moses Malone, KJ, Dan Marjele, The Dream & Clyde Drexler

Bird played with a lot of hall of famers/all stars

LeBron - Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen

Magic - Lots of hall of famers/all stars

Malone - Stockton, Shaq, Kobe, Payton

Mike - 5 hall of famers during career

You can name numerous great players who have played with former all stars, washed up future hall of famers, players who were at the end of their career, or players who became all stars after they left that team

Point is, title of the thread should have been "Kobe cant win without a great big man" for Kobe, everybody else he's played with has been pretty much irrelevant other than Robert Horry, who was huge during the first title run, and should be in the hall based on number of rings and clutchness alone

And Kobe can't win without a big man is dumb tho. Shaq can't win without an elite wing (kobe/wade). Lebron can't win without an elite wing and PF (Wade/Bosh). Jordan cant win without elite perimeter defender (pippen) etc. You can do this for virtually every all time great, i don't really understand this argument against Kobe. But of course they'll use it though.

Plus Kobe is 34, already paid his dues and proved everything.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You forgot Mitch Richmond, Bynum, Artest, Caron Butler, Theo Ratliff and Vlade Divac