What. The. fukk.I DONT fukk WITH HARDEN
ITS JUST COMMON SENSE
TO ANYONE WHO WATCHED THE GAME.
NO ONE OUTSIDE OF YOUNG MJ
IS GETTING BUCKETS
AGAINST THAT TYPE OF DEFENSE.
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Harden had 21 and 16 of em came from the free throw line :scust:
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AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Harden's seeing some basic-ass doubles, and can't score, cause he doesn't move without the ball, and this nikka is out here trying to build a wall of excuses for him (even shamelessly bringing up MJ as a marker), yet is ambivalent when Steph sees doubles, triples, entire defenses, even when he doesn't even have the ball, and yet still finds ways to relocate to score.
The level of dishonesty to reach that place......
The level of dishonesty to reach that place......
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If he’s trash why double him to begin with?
who is Curry passing to out of the double team?
im not saying Harden has these great playoff %’s but based off this series when he does beat the double he gets fouled.
who is Curry passing to out of the double team?
im not saying Harden has these great playoff %’s but based off this series when he does beat the double he gets fouled.
Because he's the best shot creator and shooter on the team. It's not exactly beneficial to be doubling anyone else on the team over him.
Whoever's nearest to him.
But when Steph is getting doubled, it's not always at the top like it is for Harden. Since he's teleporting all over the floor, it scrambles the defense whenever they throw bodies at him. Defenses only see the 1-2 actions with Harden/Rockets, which is why it's a lot easier for them to stop it when they throw doubles at him. The defense knows they really only have to make a couple of set rotations to recover once they initiate the double on Harden. Defenses can't do that with Steph, as once he's moving all over the floor, it forces his teammates to move too.
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My point was, Steph is passing to straight snipers or great playmakers on average if not, 95% of the time. But I get what you are saying.
So the answer is pass and cut?
so the only thing separating him is simply movement off ball?
I kinda agree but who’s to blame?
Is he just ignoring the coach? Is he telling harden don’t post or shoot mid range shots cause we know he’s not getting benched.
Straight snipers and great playmakers? 95% of the time?
You do realize that before Durant joined the team, the next best shooter (after Klay), statistically, was Draymond, right?
The same dude who gets clowned for his shooting more than any other player in the league, is retrospectively and inadvertently, classed as a sniper. And I'm not singling you out here either, because I've heard all too often about how Steph benefitted from being surrounded by all these great shooters, yet not processing that Draymond was the best shooter of the lot, all because cats would do anything to drag Steph.
Everyone involved is to blame.
But Harden, above all. Nobody is stopping him from moving without the ball; nobody is stopping him from changing his style of play. He's content with running it back every single season, playing the same way, for the exact same results.
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i been tried to put that nikka on ignore but he's a mod and it won't let me
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Maybe 95% is a bit much but he definitely had a better constructed team. If you are implying that Dray has the third best jumper on the team based on his shot % you are just being difficult. Funny how you ignored my playmaking quote. Ironically you’re dragging the warriors to prop Steph.Straight snipers and great playmakers? 95% of the time?
You do realize that before Durant joined the team, the next best shooter (after Klay), statistically, was Draymond, right?
The same dude who gets clowned for his shooting more than any other player in the league, is retrospectively and inadvertently, classed as a sniper. And I'm not singling you out here either, because I've heard all too often about how Steph benefitted from being surrounded by all these great shooters, yet not processing that Draymond was the best shooter of the lot, all because cats would do anything to drag Steph.
Everyone involved is to blame.
But Harden, above all. Nobody is stopping him from moving without the ball; nobody is stopping him from changing his style of play. He's content with running it back every single season, playing the same way, for the exact same results.
As far as Hardens playoff exits, your take on the surface seems accurate. But comparing to Steph and his teams it’s all together different. From ownership down to the last player in the bench.
You can say Harden needs to switch up his style or whatever and that may be true . But given the same situation Steph isn’t even leading this team to the playoffs.
Hell your own gsw stans don’t think he can complete without otherworldly talent around him outside of his 1st championship which I will not take from him nor will I discount his teammates.
I would like to see more off ball movement but it doesn’t seem like that’s his game right now for whatever reason. But watching that last game and the series I can’t hold him soley accountable like many have. If it where any other players the excuse would be made that he needs more help.
Hes buns...
Time to move along.
Time to move along.
Question about Draymonds playmaker. Is that not a product of the gravity of Steph? Is he the same playmaker when Steph is not playing?
Not to diminish anyone but empowered players can be alot of things? It would seem that keeping players involved make everyone better & there are examples on every team to prove it. But when you tell them to space the floor and wait for a pass from the primary then all of their individual stats drown, and they are only measure by 3% and if they can hit open shots, cause they do not get opportunities to be playmakers
I'm trying to illustrate to you that the Warriors didn't have snipers, or were a great shooting team, which is often alluded to and stated for the help that Steph had.
This is from their historic 2016 season:
It was Steph and Klay, and a bunch of mediocre to subpar shooters (if you can even call them that). Cats had this false perception of these players that Steph was passing to, when most of the time, they'd be left wide open. Harden's been surrounded by more capable shooters than Steph has.
What's of relevance that would need to be ignored?
Iggy's spoken about this before, saying that, all the open looks that the Warriors generated, was all because of Steph. Every single bit of it. All the playmaking that was on show, and the ball movement, was all because of Steph; how he allowed players to touch and handle the ball (which empowered them, giving them greater confidence to develop their skillsets), and the attention he received, basically allowed them to operate with more space than they would with any other player, to shoot, pass, dribble, drive etc. Now, imagine every single player on the floor benefitting from all these factors, at the same time. Is it any wonder the Warriors had the chemistry they did?
If you're a role player or a player with certain limitations, there's literally not a player in NBA history who would do more to elevate your game on the offensive end than Steph.
It's literally the reason why cats think he's had these great support casts and benefitted from having all this help. But they can't really comprehend the real reason because they're been conditioned by watching ball-dominant stars.
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Dray is a divisive player for both sides. I like his game personally. 2nd ball handler who can rebound/steal then run the break, finish and pass plus hit the occasional 3 but has since fell off.
It’s a team so yeah when on important component is gone the team will suffer. Dray wasn’t the main ball handler. So factor that and then subtract the two-three( maybe if all times) best shooters and best players from the team and he will get exposed.
Just like when you subtract dray, klay and Durant Curry wasn’t doing a dam thing. Where was gravity when there isn’t anyone who can make a pass or hit consistent shots and add to that he is a complete liability in defense.
Cool no argument. I find it funny though that you said steph looked bad with any entirely new team. Removed Klay, Dray, KD...
I will say with no continuity every player will look bad. However, they were claiming KD but when Steph didn't play KD was a shell of himself as well even with Dray and Klay.
Cool though.
Houston, should allow more movement from Harden, it he gets fouls like he does now, imagine if he got to attack from slashing/backdoor and general off ball basketball shxt, not standing in the corner
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I'm trying to illustrate to you that the Warriors didn't have snipers, or were a great shooting team, which is often alluded to and stated for the help that Steph had.
This is from their historic 2016 season:
It was Steph and Klay, and a bunch of mediocre to subpar shooters (if you can even call them that). Cats had this false perception of these players that Steph was passing to, when most of the time, they'd be left wide open. Harden's been surrounded by more capable shooters than Steph has.
What's of relevance that would need to be ignored?
Iggy's spoken about this before, saying that, all the open looks that the Warriors generated, was all because of Steph. Every single bit of it. All the playmaking that was on show, and the ball movement, was all because of Steph; how he allowed players to touch and handle the ball (which empowered them, giving them greater confidence to develop their skillsets), and the attention he received, basically allowed them to operate with more space than they would with any other player, to shoot, pass, dribble, drive etc. Now, imagine every single player on the floor benefitting from all these factors, at the same time. Is it any wonder the Warriors had the chemistry they did?
If you're a role player or a player with certain limitations, there's literally not a player in NBA history who would do more to elevate your game on the offensive end than Steph.
It's literally the reason why cats think he's had these great support casts and benefitted from having all this help. But they can't really comprehend the real reason because they're been conditioned by watching ball-dominant stars.
Dray was pretty at 3pt shooting, rebounding, defense and play making. Yeah you shytting on Dray.those are all good three point shooting %s with goats being at the top that’s a good thing. With at least 4 being able to make competent passes.
What all star/average playmakers are on Houston breh?
You basically shytting on the warriors team to big up Steph how shameful of you. Anticipating you shytting in Klay next.