Haiti: Nearly a Million People Took to the Streets.They Want the Western-imposed government out of

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Same guy, that spreads right wing BS on here and repeat whatever he hears? :dead:

Dude, I am telling you these rich people in Haiti are worse than anything you could ever imagine. Not even joking!

I know a guy that just bought a 10 million dollar condo in South Beach and he's part of that class. Where do you think that money came from? Clinton?

The Clintons are involved in the natural resources though. Again, a deal made by the bourgeoisie. The issue with the country is the bourgeoisie has too much power and abuses everything they can while oppressing the people and the diaspora

Right wing? Show proof im right wing you c00n agent provocateur. Your whole c00n post basically saying Haiti is a failed state by the haitian.. you white supremacist cock holder.

You was in the higher learning co signing bush and the Clintons. You dont know shyt about haiti you c00n

How you haitian but didnt know Haiti was under U.N military occupation since 04 that killed over 20,000 haitians just in the first 3 three years... you c00n. Bill Clintons was the U.N envoy in Haiti during that time you c00n



You didnt even know haiti was occupied three times you c00n.

You c00n ass nikka claim you haitian but didnt U.N brought cholera to the island you dumbass.

You Haitian but didnt know about the china-Haiti situation. You had to go through my post in the haitian research thread to learn about the situation you c00n

Yes we know about the haitian elite but i bet you don't. I can actually put names to faces and tell what they do unlike you who just post "Haitian elite " . The Clintons been linked up and work with some of the Haitian elite(meaning linking up) for while you c00n. Haitian elites been linked up with US government dummy

Why would anybody believe some cock sucking c00n who live for the bush and the clintons over the black nations whos protesting for liberation
 

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Dude my step father was apart of the Haitian elite who worked under Papa Doc and Baby Doc. And so I am very aware of what the elite are capable of...

What YOUR not grasping is that this shyt is NOT mutually exclusive. I dont give af about right wing or left wing "propaganda"(you see fixated on that), but fact is those Elite Haitians AND the Clintons BOTH have a hand in exploiting Haiti. If not then why are the Clintons hoarding land enriched in minerals such as gold in Haiti?

Yes, the elites abuse their power but also in collaboration with the Clintons. Are we gonna act like the Clintons DID NOT prompt up Martelly?

They don't own those lands directly. They pay people to buy for them. Also, it's not their fault our country fails to stop them. The rich people were willingly to do business with them and exploit whatever they can.

It is messed up all around but stop with the Clintons this and Clintons that. They are one of many problems, but not the cause of those problems.
 

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Dude my step father was apart of the Haitian elite who worked under Papa Doc and Baby Doc. And so I am very aware of what the elite are capable of...

What YOUR not grasping is that this shyt is NOT mutually exclusive. I dont give af about right wing or left wing "propaganda"(you see fixated on that), but fact is those Elite Haitians AND the Clintons BOTH have a hand in exploiting Haiti. If not then why are the Clintons hoarding land enriched in minerals such as gold in Haiti?

Yes, the elites abuse their power but also in collaboration with the Clintons. Are we gonna act like the Clintons DID NOT prompt up Martelly?
He been putting out disinformation on Haiti on the coli for years because he dont know shyt ...so when i called him out on it in the high learning thread about two yeras ago this c00n didnt know haiti was occupied


He just trying to fuk up the thread
 

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Right wing? Show proof im right wing you c00n agent provocateur. Your whole c00n post basically saying Haiti is a failed state by the haitian.. you white supremacist cock holder.

You was in the higher learning co signing bush and the Clintons. You dont know shyt about haiti you c00n

How you haitian but didnt know Haiti was under U.N military occupation since 04 that killed over 20,000 haitians just in the first 3 three years... you c00n. Bill Clintons was the U.N envoy in Haiti during that time you c00n



You didnt even know haiti was occupied three times you c00n.

You c00n ass nikka claim you haitian but didnt U.N brought cholera to the island you dumbass.

You Haitian but didnt know about the china-Haiti situation. You had to go through my post in the haitian research thread to learn about the situation you c00n

Yes we know about the haitian elite but i bet you don't. I can actually put names to faces and tell what they do unlike you who just post "Haitian elite " . The Clintons been linked up and work with some of the Haitian elite(meaning linking up) for while you c00n. Haitian elites been linked up with US government dummy

Why would anybody believe some cock sucking c00n who live for the bush and the clintons over the black nations whos protesting for liberation


What are you going on about?

This dude calling me a c00n and a WS enabler? :dead:

You have posted several RW talking points on here. I have told you that, many times.

I don't know about the Haitian situations? :mjlol: By the way, you piece of shyt, I lost my uncle to cholera. My favorite uncle. All because he was helping out a sick child and had no idea she had cholera.

I will let you be. In the meantime, let me campaign for my Haitian people who are being persecuted and lost their TPS. If you ever come down to S Florida, I will take you around and show you some real work we do here. You can stay here and type whatever you want and get dapped by all those right wing people who use you as a UI.

By the way, you say I defend Bush? No, I said even he was better than Trump. If that offended you, then take off your MAGA hat and think for a minute.
 

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Clinton's have 0 to do with Haiti now . It's all the bourgeoisie and Moise Jean Charles backers, coupled with the corrupt government we have now.

Stop pushing propaganda. Clinton push was with Haitel and Comcel with Aristide basically letting them rip the country off with that stupid phone service.

Stay on topic and stop spreading propaganda
Post Proof dumbass? Post proof agent provocateur


You cant even spell haiti
 

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He been putting out disinformation on Haiti on the coli for years because he dont know shyt ...so when i called him out on it in the high learning thread about two yeras ago this c00n didnt know haiti was occupied


He just trying to fuk up the thread

:dead:

Please, up the posts.
 

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Post Proof dumbass? Post proof agent provocateur


You cant even spell haiti


So, you don't even know about HAITEL? :dead:

Like I say, keep pushing it fam. :wow:

edit: Lemme go back to my Coupe Cloue playlist and chill like a true Haitian does it.
 

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America's Awful Treatment of Haiti, According to WikiLeaks

The latest batch of cables released shows U.S. bullied ally

ADAM CLARK ESTES
JUN 7, 2011

This article is from the archive of our partner .

In the wake of this year's many disasters, the flow of bad news coming out Haiti has slowed to a trickle. Last week actually brought some good news that the 2010 quake's death toll might actually be much lower than reported. And then WikiLeaks swoops in with with 1,918 documents from a seven-year period starting 10 months before the coup that ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide on February 29, 2004 and ending six weeks after the January 12, 2010 earthquake.

In partnership with WikiLeaks, The Nation and the Haitian weekly newspaper Haïti Liberté are publishing a series of stories that so far highlight how America has been micromanaging and manhandling the Haitian government into aligning their policies with U.S. interests. It is, of course, not news that the United States bullies allies into doing what she wants, but the first couple of scoops are worth itemizing.

America Used Haiti as a Pawn in an Oil War Against Venezuela

René Préval took power after Aristide's ousting and immediately visited the United States to bolster confidence in the two nations' diplomatic relations. According to a March 26, 2006 cable written by U.S. Ambassador Janet Sanderson, Préval wanted "to bury once and for all the suspicion in Haiti that the United States is wary of him," wary because of Préval's ties to Cuba and Venezuela.

Sanderson also said that Préval "stressed to the Embassy that he will manage relations with Cuba and Venezuela solely for the benefit of the Haitian people, and not based on any ideological affinity toward those governments." But American behavior behind the scenes would show how "wary" may have been too gentle a word.

Préval quickly dashed his own hopes for a strong relationship with his northern allies by negotiating a deal with the Venezuelan-based oil alliance PetroCaribe. Recognizing how the deal made sense both for Haiti's strapped budget and poverty-stricken people--the Haitian government "would save USD 100 million per year from the delayed payments" by American embassy estimates--the United States stonewalled the deal for years to come.

American officials apparently helped to enlist Chevron and ExxonMobil, the only U.S. oil companies operating in Haiti, to block their shipments and refuse to transport PetroCaribe oil, a necessary requirement for Haiti to sign the deal.

Despite the American ambassador's recognizing Haiti's lack of interest in anti-American politics--"At no time has Preval given any indication that he is interested in associating Haiti with Chavez’s broader ‘revolutionary agenda,'" she wrote in one cable--Sanderson suggested that the U.S. "convey our discontent with Preval's actions at the highest possible level when he next visits Washington" after Préval visited Venezuela to negotiate a related energy deal that would bring electricity to more homes and save the Haitian people millions.


Chevron ultimately signed the PetroCaribe deal in early 2008, despite U.S. protests, but only after two years of negotiations potentially watered down the benefit to Haiti. However, as The Nation points out, "The extraordinary story that the Haiti WikiLeaks cables tell of the US Embassy’s campaign against PetroCaribe--which provides such obvious benefits for Haiti--lays bare the real priorities of 'Haiti's most important and reliable bi-lateral partner,' as Sanderson calls the United States."

America Wanted to Keep Haiti's Minimum Wage at 24¢ an Hour

Préval's campaign to raise the nation's minimum wage caught the attention of the Obama administration. The bump 37¢ bump seems small by American standards, but considering it would raise wages by 150 percent--from 24¢ and hour to 61¢ an hour--the new rule stood to dramatically affect the lives of poor Haitians.

However, it would also dramatically affect the bottom line of American companies, like Hanes and Levi Strauss who contracted labor in Haiti to sew their clothes. The companies insisted on capping the wage increase at 7¢ an hour, and the U.S. ambassador pressured Préval into a $3 per day wage for textile workers, $2 less than the original $5 a day that Préval had wanted.

The Nation
's report* on the negotiations show continued disapproval with the politics of the whole thing:

Still the US Embassy wasn’t pleased. A deputy chief of mission, David E. Lindwall, said the $5 per day minimum “did not take economic reality into account” but was a populist measure aimed at appealing to “the unemployed and underpaid masses.”

Ryan Chittum at the Columbia Journalism Review did a little bit of math to put these figures into perspective. The proposed $5 per day falls well short of The Nation's estimated $12.50 per day needed for a Haitian family of three to make ends meet. But how dramatically will the even lower $3 a day affect the American companies with a stake in the matter?

Zooming in on specific companies helps clarify this even more. As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year, and presumably it would pass on at least some of its higher labor costs to consumers.

Chittum notes that Hanes's CEO Richard Noll could cover the losses with just one sixth of his $10 million compensation package. That makes American Apparel and their no sweatshop policy look angelic, sex-crazed CEO Dov Charney and all.

*The Nation pulled their report on the minimum wage dispute after publishing it briefly in accordance with a publishing schedule agreement with Haïti Liberté. CJR snatched a summary while it was briefly online and The Nation will publish its full report tomorrow.

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Post Proof dumbass? Post proof agent provocateur


You cant even spell haiti


WHich candidates are you supporting this upcoming election that is pro-Black immigration? What are you actively doing to help our undocumented Haitians here?
 

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Clinton E-Mails Point to US Intervention in 2010 Haiti Elections

Written by Jake Johnston
Published: 07 September 2016
En français

“The situation cannot afford Washington to sit on sidelines. They elected him and they need [sic] pressure him. He can't go unchecked,” Laura Graham, then the Chief Operating Officer of the Clinton Foundation, wrote to Bill Clinton in early 2012. Graham was referring to the increasingly erratic, and potentially dangerous, behavior of Haitian president Michel Martelly. When she said “They elected him,” she was referring to the US government, which intervened through the OAS to change the election results of the first round of Haiti, putting Martelly in to the second round. The e-mail, one of many Graham sent to Bill Clinton’s deputy chief of staff on February 26, 2012, eventually was sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top aide, Cheryl Mills. The note is perhaps the clearest evidence to date that key officials, even within the Clinton camp, viewed the US intervention in the 2010 Haitian election as decisive.

The 2010 Haitian election was a mess. Held less than a year after a devastating earthquake, millions of people were displaced or otherwise disenfranchised and then-president René Préval was accused of fraud on behalf of his preferred candidate Jude Célestin. A majority of candidates held an afternoon press conference on election day denouncing the process and calling for new elections. But Washington and its allies, who had funded the election, pushed forward, telling the press that everything was okay. Mirlande Manigat, a constitutional law professor and former first lady, and Célestin came in first and second, respectively, according to preliminary results, putting them into a scheduled run-off. Martelly was in third, a few thousand votes behind.

Protests engulfed the capital and other major cities, threatening the political stability that donors have long desired, but have failed to nurture. With billions in foreign aid on the table and Bill Clinton overseeing an international effort at “building back better,” there was a lot on the line: both money and credibility.

With Martelly’s supporters leading large, and at times violent, protests, the US turned up the heat by publicly questioning the results just hours after they were announced. Within 24 hours, top State Department officials were already discussing with Haitian private sector groups plans to force Célestin out of the race. “[P]rivate sector have told RP [René Préval] that Célestin should withdraw … This is big,” then US Ambassador to Haiti Ken Merten wrote the next day. Merten wrote that he had personally contacted Martelly’s “camp” and told them that he needs to “get on radio telling people to not pillage. Peaceful demo OK: pillage is not.” Unfortunately, much of Merten’s message and those in response have been redacted.

The Haitian government eventually requested that a mission from the Organization of American States (OAS) come to Haiti to analyze the results. The mission, despite not conducting a recount or any statistical test, recommended replacing Célestin in the runoff with Martelly. With the lowest turnout for a presidential election in the hemisphere’s recent history, and at least 12 percent of the votes simply missing, any decision on who should be in a second round would be based on faulty assumptions. (CEPR analyzed all the voter tally sheets at the time, conducting a statistical analysis of the vote, and later showed how the OAS recommendation could not be supported by any statistical evidence.)

Nevertheless, pressure began to mount on the Haitian government to accept the OAS recommendations. Officials had their US visas revoked and US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice even went so far as to threaten to cut aid, even though the country was still recovering from the devastating earthquake earlier in the year.

In late January 2011, two months after the elections, but before any decision had been made, Laura Graham wrote to top Hillary Clinton aide Cheryl Mills, warning that her boss, Bill Clinton [wjc] would be very upset if certain visas were pulled:

There are rumors abt ur second visa list and jmb [Prime Minister and co-chair of the Clinton-led reconstruction commission, Jean Max Bellerive] being on it. He's a conflicted guy and is being pressured on both sides and we believe trying to help. Wjc will be v unhappy if that's the case. Nor do I think u need remove his visa. Not sure what it gets u. Remove elizabeth's [Préval’s wife] and prevals people. I'm also staying at his house fyi so exposure in general and this weekend in particular for wjc on this.

In response, Mills questioned the “message it sends” for Graham to stay at Bellerive’s house, but Graham replied, indicating a certain coordination between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department in influencing Haitian politics: “For the record, I discussed staying at his house w both u and wjc long ago and was told good strategic value and ive [sic] stayed there every time.”

But being at Bellerive’s house, with a decision on the election coming any day, would send an inappropriate signal, Mills pointed out. “Think of all the rumors you have heard?” Mills asked, “that we want to pressure Célestin out when that is Brazilian and UN position,” she added as an example. There is no doubt that high-level Brazilian and UN officials were involved in the decision and efforts to exclude Célestin. Edmond Mulet, the head of the UN military mission in Haiti, even privately suggested flying Préval out of the country on election day. But it was the US that funded the OAS mission and that had been applying the most pressure on the Haitian government, and another e-mail from Graham to Mills a few days later confirms this.
 

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They don't own those lands directly. They pay people to buy for them. Also, it's not their fault our country fails to stop them. The rich people were willingly to do business with them and exploit whatever they can.

It is messed up all around but stop with the Clintons this and Clintons that. They are one of many problems, but not the cause of those problems.


But you tried claiming there was ZERO Clinton influence which is what I was saying. You're not indirectly agreeing with me by saying "well its the elites fault for allowing them in." No I REPEATEDLY said the two work together for a common goal.


And the Clintons DO directly own land in Haiti.

High Hopes for Hillary Clinton, Then Disappointment in Haiti

And btw the NY Times is not an alt right source. More importantly you continue to forget that the Clintons had a hand in getting Martelly elected like my source states.

Like I said I told you that the two groups go hand in hand but you are now just indirectly. No its not about "Clintons this Clintons that" but you having personal bias for the Clintons or Dem party.
 

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WHich candidates are you supporting this upcoming election that is pro-Black immigration? What are you actively doing to help our undocumented Haitians here?
So, you don't even know about HAITEL? :dead:

Like I say, keep pushing it fam. :wow:

edit: Lemme go back to my Coupe Cloue playlist and chill like a true Haitian does it.


Wtf you talking about stop changing the subject and post proof

"Stop pushing propaganda. Clinton push was with Haitel and Comcel with Aristide basically letting them rip the country off with that stupid phone service. "
 
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