Gucci Mane Negotiating With Federal Government To Reduce Possible 20 Year Jail Time

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Young Buck caught that same charge, and he was looking at 10, I think he did 18 months, with no cooperation. A lot has to do with lawyers and having that money to fight the case, more motions, more negotiations, drag it out, play the politics. I've read books with really good breakdowns about how the federal system works, and money will get you a decent deal like 75% of the time…money and connections. As far as the T.I, i used to think he caught a break, now I think 80% chance he did cooperate in some way.

Ain't Baby D catch a case? I wonder if T.I.P. gave a tip? :mjpls:
 

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20 is the absolute max, people with a little paper and some decent lawyers generally don't get the max….where there are max's there are minimums What's the basic on the gun cases? I'm not versed in that.

They hit him with the max to get him to "negotiate" :mjpls:,if it was a 1-3 year bid he probably wouldn't be negotiating. 20 years though it's time to start tellin' :wow: Why you think Waka doing EDM now talkin' 'bout he a gangster nerd? :mjpls: Gucci will probably give up his 'migo connects :manny:
 

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They hit him with the max to get him to "negotiate" :mjpls:,if it was a 1-3 year bid he probably wouldn't be negotiating. 20 years though it's time to start tellin' :wow: Why you think Waka doing EDM now talkin' 'bout he a gangster nerd? :mjpls: Gucci will probably give up his 'migo connects :manny:

Nah, it doesn't work like that, they (USDOJ) or ATF or whoever picked the case up, has no control over the minimum and maximums, that written in black and white, the mandatory maximum for a felon in possession of a firearm is 20 years. Or whatever little contingencies they throw in, like 2 guns or whatever, the variables, the details. The minimum for that charge is probably like 18 months. The prosecutor can recommend to that judge what the sentence should be, but it's ultimately up to the district judge who sentences him. So, he's sweating now because his lawyers and the AUSA are going back and forth and they are probably asking for around 8 years, and they just gotta drag this out a little longer, play some politics, maybe wait for a certain AUSA to leave his spot, and just relax. There doesn't have to any cooperation involved. You'll know he's cooperating when they plead him guilty, bond him out, and he gets sentenced 18 months later. Or if someone with a federal case, goes and gets RIGHT back out, pleads guilty within 2 months or so, thats another tell.
 

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Nah, it doesn't work like that, they (USDOJ) or ATF or whoever picked the case up, has no control over the minimum and maximums, that written in black and white, the mandatory maximum for a felon in possession of a firearm is 20 years. Or whatever little contingencies they throw in, like 2 guns or whatever, the variables, the details. The minimum for that charge is probably like 18 months. The prosecutor can recommend to that judge what the sentence should be, but it's ultimately up to the district judge who sentences him. So, he's sweating now because his lawyers and the AUSA are going back and forth and they are probably asking for around 8 years, and they just gotta drag this out a little longer, play some politics, maybe wait for a certain AUSA to leave his spot, and just relax. There doesn't have to any cooperation involved. You'll know he's cooperating when they plead him guilty, bond him out, and he gets sentenced 18 months later. Or if someone with a federal case, goes and gets RIGHT back out, pleads guilty within 2 months or so, thats another tell.

I agree with everything you said, but they hit him with the max OFF TOP. And with Gucci's priors, there's no reason why anybody in their right mind would oppose it. T.I. is with a major label, has done movies, and given out tips :mjpls: Gucci Mane is out there f*ckin' up military personnel, that's not gonna sit well with a southern judge. He's about as close to a definition of a menace as you can get in real life in the eyes of cacs. Not all nikkaz snitch right away, and just because you got bonded or plead guilty doesn't mean you snitched either. If his black azz on his 7th conviction gets a 1 year sentence when the average nikka would have gotten 3-9 with Robert Kardashian as his lawyer, then you know he snitched. A good lawyer BEATS THE CASE, if you get reduced time upfront with priors and without good behavior normally you tryin' to come home early. :scheme: You can either play ball and get the minimum, or you can be a real nikka and do football numbers, what's it gonna be friend? :smugfavre:
 

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You just have some of the finer points a little hazy……I'ma try to set it straight without being an ass, say you get indicted for trafficking and conspiracy 5 kilograms or more of a Schedule II (cocaine) substance, 841 & 846, and the MINIMUM is 10….the max is life. That's a given. The federal firearm charge is the same way. Whether Gucci is a menace or not won' affect that he can get 20. It's a mandatory minimum and maximum. No one….or very rarely is the max given. Nowhere is it written they are asking for 20, it's just a footnote for the press to seize on, a soundbite 'charges that carry a maximum of life imprison'. So, the prosecutors and Gucci's lawyers are trying to work something out….considering all the factors, the AUSA can be a real hard case, and won't budge from 15. So, they file more motions, ask for continuances, wait it out. Try to impress upon them he's an addict, he's in treatment, he can be a role model, whatever. It may include cooperation. It may not.

As for the getting bonded out, it's not a written rule, but say you get knocked in a drug trafficking conspiracy case, with ties to organized crime, and you just OUT right away, dead give away you have a cooperation agreement already in place, because the AUSA will IMMEDIATELY file a MTD, motion to detain, when you are in custody. And he will get it. If it's a white collar crime case, or something else, different story. But, drug case the motion to detain is a given, esp, if they are by a border. And, it's another red flag, if you sit for a minute and then plead guilty, then are out on bond for a year or more before sentencing. They only grant you that bond, once your cooperation agreement is in place, and they have you by the balls. The delay in sentencing is for you to cooperate, testify against people if needed, so they can get their affidavits ready, and maybe you even participate in investigations, from a CI perspective. Once you have done enough to get that 5k1 letter, the AUSA will write one, and the judge will read it, weighing everything, and sentence you below the minimum.
 

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You just have some of the finer points a little hazy……I'ma try to set it straight without being an ass, say you get indicted for trafficking and conspiracy 5 kilograms or more of a Schedule II (cocaine) substance, 841 & 846, and the MINIMUM is 10….the max is life. That's a given. The federal firearm charge is the same way. Whether Gucci is a menace or not won' affect that he can get 20. It's a mandatory minimum and maximum. No one….or very rarely is the max given. Nowhere is it written they are asking for 20, it's just a footnote for the press to seize on, a soundbite 'charges that carry a maximum of life imprison'. So, the prosecutors and Gucci's lawyers are trying to work something out….considering all the factors, the AUSA can be a real hard case, and won't budge from 15. So, they file more motions, ask for continuances, wait it out. Try to impress upon them he's an addict, he's in treatment, he can be a role model, whatever. It may include cooperation. It may not.

As for the getting bonded out, it's not a written rule, but say you get knocked in a drug trafficking conspiracy case, with ties to organized crime, and you just OUT right away, dead give away you have a cooperation agreement already in place, because the AUSA will IMMEDIATELY file a MTD, motion to detain, when you are in custody. And he will get it. If it's a white collar crime case, or something else, different story. But, drug case the motion to detain is a given, esp, if they are by a border. And, it's another red flag, if you sit for a minute and then plead guilty, then are out on bond for a year or more before sentencing. They only grant you that bond, once your cooperation agreement is in place, and they have you by the balls. The delay in sentencing is for you to cooperate, testify against people if needed, so they can get their affidavits ready, and maybe you even participate in investigations, from a CI perspective. Once you have done enough to get that 5k1 letter, the AUSA will write one, and the judge will read it, weighing everything, and sentence you below the minimum.

I ain't never caught a case personally, I can only speak on what I've seen on the sidelines from some acquaintances/homies. One of my boys got set up by some b*tch azz nikkaz with that sack so they could get off with no time. Back in the 90s the feds were tryin' to shut down all the distribution rings in the Chi. He wasn't a dealer, he was just a gangbanger affiliated with the dope boys, enforcer type sh*t. He did his time like a G, he never ratted anyone out, and he knew everybody who was dealin' in his area, he could have taken down the whole ring in his area if he wanted to, this was in the Chi, he did 8 years on his first offense with no priors. When they know you have information and don't rat they put you under the jail breh, I've never seen an exception. I don't claim to have as much experience as you with the court system, but from the little I have the people who get light sentences are usually first timers with no priors, college students, white kids with good parents, etc. Gucci is a dude with multiple priors who probably should have already gotten a 10-20 as far as the cac judge is concerned, and now that they finally got him, they gonna squeeze him for whatever they can get. They know he knows sh*t, it's obvious he's a real street nikka, and that's gonna be his downfall. If you're really in the streets, only 3 options, get out, go to jail, or get murked. You can't commit crime forever breh. If they feel he knows sh*t, they're gonna hit him with the max or as close to it as possible unless he coughs up info, good lawyer or not. If he has a good lawyer, then he can probably get a bond hearing and at least get some time to see his fam before he goes in :obama:
 

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first off, if he was informing, there would be a CI(confidential informer) number attached to him. There would be paperwork. And until the time I see paperwork on him I'm not going to jump to conclusions. There are ALWAYS negotiations with prosecutors over plea deals. Something you nerdy ass nikkas obviously have no clue about. :umad:

I mean, I've personally been through negotiations with prosecutors over various charges with my lawyers multiple times. NONE of which had a damn thing to do with informing/snitching. It's usually...

"well if you plead guilty to this charge, we'll drop these charges"

Or in Gucci's case,

"if you plead guilty to this charge, do community service, participate in our ad campaign or some shyt, we'll recommend to the court you get 2 years."
 

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first off, if he was informing, there would be a CI(confidential informer) number attached to him. There would be paperwork. And until the time I see paperwork on him I'm not going to jump to conclusions. There are ALWAYS negotiations with prosecutors over plea deals. Something you nerdy ass nikkas obviously have no clue about. :umad:

I mean, I've personally been through negotiations with prosecutors over various charges with my lawyers multiple times. NONE of which had a damn thing to do with informing/snitching. It's usually...

"well if you plead guilty to this charge, we'll drop these charges"

Or in Gucci's case,

"if you plead guilty to this charge, do community service, participate in our ad campaign or some shyt, we'll recommend to the court you get 2 years."

And you probably think T.I. didn't snitch because there wasn't any paperwork :heh:
 

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And you probably think T.I. didn't snitch because there wasn't any paperwork :heh:


When a confidential informer (CI) snitches on you, they have to make their identity available to you when they testify in court. I've spent 1/4 of my life locked up or under state supervision. I'm probably more familiar with the way the system works. Especially since I've personally had to deal with snitches myself.

I don't claim to know one way or the other if TI snitched on anyone. But I can tell you, if he did snitch, then any information he gave would not be admissible in court. Since he would be unable to testify. The "word" of a convicted felon aint worth shyt in the court system. Once again, somewhere paperwork exists if he did indeed snitch.
 
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