Growing Everything But The Payroll: The Official 2025 New York Yankees Season Thread

[tremonthustler1]

At this point blow the whole thing up. Anything else will be a complete waste of time unless essentially every one of the young guys pan out.

well those are the guys who legitimately can go. Rodon's not going anywhere. Judge isn't going anywhere. I'm sure the pen has guys who can get moved but that goes for anyone.

Yankees have a payroll just short of $300 mil and at least a third of it is either dead weight or won't see the field at all.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

well those are the guys who legitimately can go. Rodon's not going anywhere. Judge isn't going anywhere. I'm sure the pen has guys who can get moved but that goes for anyone.

Yankees have a payroll just short of $300 mil and at least a third of it is either dead weight or won't see the field at all.

2019 they spent $17 million on Happ, $13 million on Britton, $8 million on Ottavino, $8 million on CC, $21 million on ellsbury, & $10 million on hicks.

2021 outside of Cole the rotation was 1 guy coming off a broken arm and blown out shoulder, 2 guys coming off tommy John surgery, and a 2nd year starter. Over the next 18 months they’d bring in 3-4 batters from the 100 loss last place rangers. Cole was 30 in the 2nd year of an 9 year deal and that’s what they put behind him. Judge was 29 and Stanton was 31. Their protection in the lineup was Gary Sanchez, Joey Gallo, and Brett Gardner. Rougned Odor and Andrew Velasquez were starting in the playoffs.

2022 they had $10 million tied up in hicks, $10 million on gallo, $13 million on Britton, $17 million on Chapman, $18 million on DJ, $18 million on Rizzo, $6 million on IKF, and $25 million on Josh Donaldson. Their 5-9 in the playoffs was Oswaldo Cabrera, Donaldson, IKF, Jose Trevino, and Harrison Bader. The only change they made to the batting order that offseason was to promote Anthony Volpe to the Major league roster.

2023 the 3rd highest ops on the team was DJ at .718 and of the 25 batters to take at least 70 plate appearances, only judge and Torres had an ops above league average. Jake Bauers, Billy McKinnon, Willie Calhoun, and IKF got reps in the outfield. 2 players on the whole roster hit above .243 on the year.


This year DJ is due $18 million, Rizzo got $6 million, hicks is getting $10 million, Grisham is getting $6 million, and stroman is due $14 million.

How does wasting money like this not get Brian Cashman fired? A decent GM could get these results with half the money. Every year there’s $50-100 million being lit on fire.

 

[puggle]

fukk man, no words. He was just delaying the inevitable and it's now time to collect.

That meltdown in game 5 and bringing in Cortes to close out game 1 will haunt this franchise for a long time.

 

[g-ice]

Simply apathetic to it all at this point.

New York sports is cursed right now.

 

[tremonthustler1]

2019 they spent $17 million on Happ, $13 million on Britton, $8 million on Ottavino, $8 million on CC, $21 million on ellsbury, & $10 million on hicks.

2021 outside of Cole the rotation was 1 guy coming off a broken arm and blown out shoulder, 2 guys coming off tommy John surgery, and a 2nd year starter. Over the next 18 months they’d bring in 3-4 batters from the 100 loss last place rangers. Cole was 30 in the 2nd year of an 9 year deal and that’s what they put behind him. Judge was 29 and Stanton was 31. Their protection in the lineup was Gary Sanchez, Joey Gallo, and Brett Gardner. Rougned Odor and Andrew Velasquez were starting in the playoffs.

2022 they had $10 million tied up in hicks, $10 million on gallo, $13 million on Britton, $17 million on Chapman, $18 million on DJ, $18 million on Rizzo, $6 million on IKF, and $25 million on Josh Donaldson. Their 5-9 in the playoffs was Oswaldo Cabrera, Donaldson, IKF, Jose Trevino, and Harrison Bader. The only change they made to the batting order that offseason was to promote Anthony Volpe to the Major league roster.

2023 the 3rd highest ops on the team was DJ at .718 and of the 25 batters to take at least 70 plate appearances, only judge and Torres had an ops above league average. Jake Bauers, Billy McKinnon, Willie Calhoun, and IKF got reps in the outfield. 2 players on the whole roster hit above .243 on the year.


This year DJ is due $18 million, Rizzo got $6 million, hicks is getting $10 million, Grisham is getting $6 million, and stroman is due $14 million.

How does wasting money like this not get Brian Cashman fired? A decent GM could get these results with half the money. Every year there’s $50-100 million being lit on fire.

how their money is allocated is why I don't fully rip Hal for his blanket statements regarding payroll. The issue yes is how they spend, but it's also this lack of want to "cut corners" by actually developing cost controlled talent. All that takes is great scouting which they don't have and because they think they're always in win now mode, from Cashman down to Judge they don't wanna use young guys because they assume they won't be contributors to a title team which is dead wrong. Even the success stories of young players here are either by accident or by a silent admission that they're retooling which is how Judge and the Baby Bombers got on in the first place. If they're in silent admission mode now, then let Warren get every opportunity to fail. Make HIM the 4th starter. Let Ben Rice get as many at bats as he needs to see if we should go hard after Murakami. Get Wells more AB's. Volpe and the Martian you already know. That's the focus now. If Cookie or whoever they dig up catches lightning in a bottle (possible), great, but that's a bonus.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

how their money is allocated is why I don't fully rip Hal for his blanket statements regarding payroll. The issue yes is how they spend, but it's also this lack of want to "cut corners" by actually developing cost controlled talent. All that takes is great scouting which they don't have and because they think they're always in win now mode, from Cashman down to Judge they don't wanna use young guys because they assume they won't be contributors to a title team which is dead wrong. Even the success stories of young players here are either by accident or by a silent admission that they're retooling which is how Judge and the Baby Bombers got on in the first place. If they're in silent admission mode now, then let Warren get every opportunity to fail. Make HIM the 4th starter. Let Ben Rice get as many at bats as he needs to see if we should go hard after Murakami. Get Wells more AB's. Volpe and the Martian you already know. That's the focus now. If Cookie or whoever they dig up catches lightning in a bottle (possible), great, but that's a bonus.

Going at Hal is more than fair because he’s had so many chances to fire Cashman where it would’ve been justified. 2010, 2013-15, and 2021-22 were all obvious chances. That Dennis Green “crown their ass” meltdown he had after Houston swept them as his contract was expiring was the most obvious “it’s time for this guy to go” moment for any general manager ever. Every single move he made backfired catastrophically over the previous 2-3 years and set them back a good 5 years. Hal responded by giving him a 5 year contract and he made basically no effort whatsoever to fix a batting order that aside from judge was the worst in baseball. Every other team in North American sports besides the cowboys and heat have replaced their GM since 2009. It’s beyond overdue to see if a new guy can actually develop homegrown talent. Aside from Judge, the last position player to stay beyond his arbitration years who began his career here was Brett Gardner.

 

[holidayinn21]

Cheap owner
Incompetent GM
Clueless Manager
Fraudulent, choking ass "captain"

Yeah fukk this shyt

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Cheap owner
Incompetent GM
Clueless Manager
Fraudulent, choking ass "captain"

Yeah fukk this shyt

It just amazes me how this team not only can’t stay healthy, but loses so many of the most important guys on the team every year.