Greenwashed: Electric Pickup Trucks Are Dirtier Than You Think

[Raphaello]

Why is 7 the best you can shoot for? France is at 5 tons right now and even French people consume a lot more than they need to. They just aren't as blatantly overconsuming as the USA is. Sweden is at 4.5, Switzerland is at 4.7, UK is at 5.5. And that's with current tech and a LOT of things they could be doing better.

It should be closer to 2-3 tons. And that's possible with better tech, but ONLY if consumption is seriously cut back too. Both need to happen, but the consumption reduction is both easier and more important. tech alone will not even come close to getting us there.

I'm really confused as to what you're suggesting the alterative is. Give up?

Okay I guess I was wrong for using america as the benchmark. In that case if other first world countries have done it there's no reason we shouldn't be able to

 

[Alvin]

Obviously the Hummer EV is an outlier and is an extreme case that will not represent a majority of the market.
Also, the lines converge after a few years of driving even in this worst case scenario (when comparing electric apples to gas apples)

also even though that range is horrible for an electric vehicle, that Hummer is beating out Camry, Corollas, etc when it comes to range before refueling.

 

[mastermind]

EV's are not a net-positive for the environment because they use too much energy.

And American trucks are now waaaaaay too big. CityNerd had a video about this a few months ago:

 

[DEAD7]

EV's are not a net-positive for the environment because they use too much energy.

So Dems should be pushing combustion engines not EVs?

 

[mastermind]

So Dems should be pushing combustion engines not EVs?

Or three, politicians should invest in public transportation and non-fossil fuel energy generation to power EVs.

 

[88m3]

I agree with @mastermind

 

[el_oh_el]

EV's are not a net-positive for the environment because they use too much energy.

And American trucks are now waaaaaay too big. CityNerd had a video about this a few months ago:

Use too much energy in the creation process is what you mean, right? Because they are tons more efficient in terms of actual energy usage compared to ICE vehicles.

 

[mastermind]

Use too much energy in the creation process is what you mean, right? Because they are tons more efficient in terms of actual energy usage compared to ICE vehicles.

Nah, I meant energy generation. What powers EVs? Until that is not fossil fuel, it doesn’t matter. That matters because EVs use an incredible amount of energy to run.

 

[el_oh_el]

Nah, I meant energy generation. What powers EVs? Until that is not fossil fuel, it doesn’t matter. That matters because EVs use an incredible amount of energy to run.

Seriously? You call 3 to 4 dollars worth of electricity “an incredible amount of energy”? Am I missing something here

 

[mastermind]

Seriously? You call 3 to 4 dollars worth of electricity “an incredible amount of energy”? Am I missing something here

Department of Energy

Nothing would be wrong with this if we weren't drawing most of our energy from fossil fuels.

 

[1thouwow]

Or three, politicians should invest in public transportation and non-fossil fuel energy generation to power EVs.

I agree with @mastermind

Vehicles is the American way of life. I’m never riding public transportation consistently.

 

[88m3]

Vehicles is the American way of life. I’m never riding public transportation consistently.

Pretty sure you are the guy that couldn't understand why an electric car isn't always practical.

You seem like a really ignorant person




I'm not some anti car guy either I've always owned sports cars

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Vehicles is the American way of life. I’m never riding public transportation consistently.

Idiots would rather destroy civilization than give up some ethereal "way of life" they were conditioned to worship by TV commercials and action movies.

 

[1thouwow]

Idiots would rather destroy civilization than give up some ethereal "way of life" they were conditioned to worship by TV commercials and action movies.

Yolo.

Damn I thought I was doing my part by tryna get an EV

 

[mastermind]

Idiots would rather destroy civilization than give up some ethereal "way of life" they were conditioned to worship by TV commercials and action movies.

I am not saying give up on cars, but if you can't see that we need more public transit options and renewable energy generation, you are insane. Anyone who is against this is insane, and that includes our legislatures who aren't doing anything.