GOP National Voter Suppression (Interstate Crosscheck, ID, Poll Closures, Voter Patrols)

[Dr. Acula]

I agree actually that voter id laws are stupid and are designed to lower minority turnout

I strongly disagree that black people should make it a priority because 1) they don't work, they do not suppress black turnout 2) if somebody in the black community doesn't have an id the repurcussions of that go way beyond not being able to vote, it means not being able to get a job, not being able to travel, not being able to open a bank account

so our priorities as a community is not to stop voter Id laws, its to make sure everyone in our community has an id

Framing the issue of voter id in political terms instead of economic terms is a perfect example of black people being misguided by the Democratic Party

Political power comes from economic power, not the other way around

You're incredibly ignorant.

I'm not in the mood to give the usual breakdown and cases where "voter id laws" weren't simply about showing an id to vote. Maybe some other time later but I'll just say that you've been successfully manipulated by the usage of the term "voter id laws" and think of it in terms of just ids as intended.

Liberals are s guilty of fueling this misnomer. I therefore personally make sure to use the term voter suppression when possible. Many of the cases including those strike down by the surpreme court weren't just about showing ids. The Supreme Court isn't frivolous and in the case of North Carolina, they had a strong legal basis to smack their shyt up.

 

[Meta Reign]

Why are you ignoring the intent?

Because it's insulting and condescending to act as if requiring ID to vote is too large a feat for black people to make happen. It's a made up problem. Black people who vote have ID. In fact it should only help black folks to have such laws in place especially since the democrats are so worried about Russians rigging elections in favor of republicans, right? Dems should be at forefront for this.

 

[wickedsm]

i must have typed to much for folks to read upthread

but one more time for the cheap seats

Voter fraud actually does occur occasionally [but still at no election turning or affecting ammount] in mail in ballots- but since mail in voting is utilized more by whites
Repubs dont give a fukk.

because they dont give a fukk about voting fraud, they care about suppressing the black brown and poor population because they tend to vote d.

Why Republicans Aren’t Actually Interested in Stopping Voter Fraud

im not sure how anyone can seriously look at the consistency of racial gerrymandering and voter supression and try to pretend it doesnt exist.

 

[wickedsm]

a study in 2014 found 31 credible cases of in person voter fraud out of 1 billion ballots cast-
not actually prosecuted or convicted, just credible incidences.

pull out your calculators and do that math.
Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

 

[Dr. Acula]

Because it's insulting and condescending to act as if requiring ID to vote is too large a feat for black people to make happen. It's a made up problem. Black people who vote have ID. In fact it should only help black folks to have such laws in place especially since the democrats are so worried about Russians rigging elections in favor of republicans, right? Dems should be at forefront for this.

So it looks like it would be a benefit to everyone here to review the cases that have occurred that highlight why voter id laws and courts cases related to it in the past weren't simply showing ids. I didn't feel like doing it but can't let the ignorance to go unanswered. I'm not trying to be mean because most people aren't fully aware of what is occurring, but it's frustrating to see the same tired misleading arguments being used to excuse blatant voting suppression tactics.

In the case of North Carolina where the Supreme Court said the state GOP targeted black voters with "surgical precision", here is what occurred. Their "voter id" law was only partially about ids in the law and even then, the decision on how valid IDS were chosen was ruled unconstitutional which I will outline. In North Carolina, the state GOP requested all voter data on black voters and researched which IDs blacks are most likely to possess. This included State employee cards, student id, and government assistance cards. These were then ruled as invalid forms of ID. Conversely, gun permits were valid. This is illegal under the civil rights and voting rights acts in targeting black people. Secondly, with just a second of thought, the restrictions on these particular ids in order to minimize fraud is laughable as it is the state itself which verifies residency and legality to vote in the course of granting these ids outside of a student id.

However as I said, IDs were only a portion of their law. In addition they initiated voter roll purges, of mostly black voters, reduced early voting hours in black districts (black people dis-proportionally use early voting), and reduced voting locations in black districts. The most egregious case was one black district that had 16 voting stations in 2014 being reduced to just one in 2016. Conversely, not one iota of this happened in white traditionally republican districts.


I'm not even done. They also, in the same law, removed same day registrations which was then also compounded with targeted voter roll purging. Once again this was targeted towards blacks and the state GOP even bragged about it to their colleagues in a letters by citing how many black votes they believed they suppressed.

NC GOP Brags About Low Black Turnout–After Lobbying To Limit Early Voting

So this works by first looking at the voter rolls and sending out "voter verification" cards to mostly black districts. They require the voter to respond to the card in a certain amount of time or they will be removed from the voter rolls. Republicans argue this is done to ensure that only eligible voters are voting but once again, the Supreme Court ruled this unconstitutional by purposely targeting black districts. In addition, there are several cases where people did not receive the notice because it was sent to the wrong address, by accident I'm sure. So here is where the double whammy comes in. Well now same day registration is also removed. So you go in Election Day to vote and find out you were purged. Well there is no same day registration anymore so now you can't vote.

Also they got rid of Sunday voting which is a popular time for black voters to go to the polls after church during "souls to the polls" events.

ALL of this is just what happened in North Carolina and what was contained in their "voter ID" law. Here are a few more anecdotes without going on too much longer. In Alabama, after they passed their voter id laws, they sought to close DMV offices in black districts so black voters will have to go through more trouble to get an ID. Many states have done what they can to make it harder to get an ID

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...-id-law-proved-insurmountable-many/321680001/

I could go on and there are many more stories related to this. Just remember this is what is meant by "voter id" laws. I would be on board with a national ID that would be valid in every state for the sole purposes of proving eligibility to vote That way republicans couldn't play their games with this shyt and we can also tackle their concern about voting fraud. But (not) surprisingly most republicans will balk at this idea and revert to state rights arguments that localities should have the say over their own election processes. Its because its not about preventing voter fraud, its about playing partisan games to minimize the vote.

It's also no coincidence that many of these laws were literally implemented days after section 5 of the voting rights act was removed.

 

[theworldismine13]

You're incredibly ignorant.

I'm not in the mood to give the usual breakdown and cases where "voter id laws" weren't simply about showing an id to vote. Maybe some other time later but I'll just say that you've been successfully manipulated by the usage of the term "voter id laws" and think of it in terms of just ids as intended.

Liberals are s guilty of fueling this misnomer. I therefore personally make sure to use the term voter suppression when possible. Many of the cases including those strike down by the surpreme court weren't just about showing ids. The Supreme Court isn't frivolous and in the case of North Carolina, they had a strong legal basis to smack their shyt up.

But I'm not disputing neither the racism or intention of voter suppression

I'm just pointing out that they don't actually work, there is no real evidence that any of the voter oppresssion efforts by republicans actually accomplish their goal, you know why? because despite the caricature of liberals of black people being ignorant black people are very intelligent

 

[Meta Reign]

So it looks like it would be a benefit to everyone here to review the cases that have occurred that highlight why voter id laws and courts cases related to it in the past weren't simply showing ids. I didn't feel like doing it but can't let the ignorance to go unanswered. I'm not trying to be mean because most people aren't fully aware of what is occurring, but it's frustrating to see the same tired misleading arguments being used to excuse blatant voting suppression tactics.

In the case of North Carolina where the Supreme Court said the state GOP targeted black voters with "surgical precision", here is what occurred. Their "voter id" law was only partially about ids in the law and even then, the decision on how valid IDS were chosen was ruled unconstitutional which I will outline. In North Carolina, the state GOP requested all voter data on black voters and researched which IDs blacks are most likely to possess. This included State employee cards, student id, and government assistance cards. These were then ruled as invalid forms of ID. Conversely, gun permits were valid. This is illegal under the civil rights and voting rights acts in targeting black people. Secondly, with just a second of thought, the restrictions on these particular ids in order to minimize fraud is laughable as it is the state itself which verifies residency and legality to vote in the course of granting these ids outside of a student id.

However as I said, IDs were only a portion of their law. In addition they initiated voter roll purges, of mostly black voters, reduced early voting hours in black districts (black people dis-proportionally use early voting), and reduced voting locations in black districts. The most egregious case was one black district that had 16 voting stations in 2014 being reduced to just one in 2016. Conversely, not one iota of this happened in white traditionally republican districts.


I'm not even done. They also, in the same law, removed same day registrations which was then also compounded with targeted voter roll purging. Once again this was targeted towards blacks and the state GOP even bragged about it to their colleagues in a letters by citing how many black votes they believed they suppressed.

NC GOP Brags About Low Black Turnout–After Lobbying To Limit Early Voting

So this works by first looking at the voter rolls and sending out "voter verification" cards to mostly black districts. They require the voter to respond to the card in a certain amount of time or they will be removed from the voter rolls. Republicans argue this is done to ensure that only eligible voters are voting but once again, the Supreme Court ruled this unconstitutional by purposely targeting black districts. In addition, there are several cases where people did not receive the notice because it was sent to the wrong address, by accident I'm sure. So here is where the double whammy comes in. Well now same day registration is also removed. So you go in Election Day to vote and find out you were purged. Well there is no same day registration anymore so now you can't vote.

Also they got rid of Sunday voting which is a popular time for black voters to go to the polls after church during "souls to the polls" events.

ALL of this is just what happened in North Carolina and what was contained in their "voter ID" law. Here are a few more anecdotes without going on too much longer. In Alabama, after they passed their voter id laws, they sought to close DMV offices in black districts so black voters will have to go through more trouble to get an ID. Many states have done what they can to make it harder to get an ID

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...-id-law-proved-insurmountable-many/321680001/

I could go on and there are many more stories related to this. Just remember this is what is meant by "voter id" laws. I would be on board with a national ID that would be valid in every state for the sole purposes of proving eligibility to vote That way republicans couldn't play their games with this shyt and we can also tackle their concern about voting fraud. But (not) surprisingly most republicans will balk at this idea and revert to state rights arguments that localities should have the say over their own election processes. Its because its not about preventing voter fraud, its about playing partisan games to minimize the vote.

It's also no coincidence that many of these laws were literally implemented days after section 5 of the voting rights act was removed.

Great and I fully agree. . . But none of this contradicts anything I said, nor does it challenge it.

Requiring ID to vote is common sense. You guys are taking two separate issues and arguing them as one.

 

[Meta Reign]

But I'm not disputing neither the racism or intention of voter suppression

I'm just pointing out that they don't actually work, there is no real evidence that any of the voter oppresssion efforts by republicans actually accomplish their goal, you know why? because despite the caricature of liberals of black people being ignorant black people are very intelligent

Exactly.

 

[Canon]

its gonna take a few generations now

 

[Dr. Acula]

Great and I fully agree. . . But none of this contradicts anything I said, nor does it challenge it.

Requiring ID to vote is common sense. You guys are taking two separate issues and arguing them as one.

No. They're one. We're only having this conversation because of voter id laws. Voter id laws are not only about an id. As they exist and as how republicans argue for them, they only implement them in the context I provided. Otherwise they know voter fraud is nonexistent and they would not care about the issue.

Until republicans start to argue for a national id to vote that can be accepted in every district and preventing actions to make it harder to get them, then I have no interest in hearing it. This isn't liberal hysteria against reasonable requests by conservatives to protect the integrity of the voting process. It's a reasonable skepticism and fight against voter surpression.

They win by making you frame the debate in your everyday conversations as an argument about showing an id to vote. While you discuss hypotheticals that the current conservatives have no interest in actually implementing and muddying the waters by sowing confusion about "why are those damn liberals are so against showing an id to vote" they will continue to do what I outlined.

It's useless discussion and distraction along those lines.

 

[GunRanger]

People will spend millions fighting the need to not need id's, instead of spending the money to get.those people id's.

 

[Dr. Acula]

But I'm not disputing neither the racism or intention of voter suppression

I'm just pointing out that they don't actually work, there is no real evidence that any of the voter oppresssion efforts by republicans actually accomplish their goal, you know why? because despite the caricature of liberals of black people being ignorant black people are very intelligent

What I outlined in the post following the one you replied to has nothing to do with intelligence. What are you even talking about. Read what I posted after this and then tell me how closing DMV offices in black districts or preventing ids used the most by blacks has anything to do with intelligence.

Also they do work. There was a study recently that stated as many as 100k votes were surpressed in Wisconsin. In North Carolina the GOP bragged about successfully reducing the black early voting percentage by 22%.

The fact you bring up intelligence in regards to this once again shows you're ignorant on the actual laws themselves.

 

[theworldismine13]

What I outlined in the post following the one you replied to has nothing to do with intelligence. What are you even talking about. Read what I posted after this and then tell me how closing DMV offices in black districts or preventing ids used the most by blacks has anything to do with intelligence.

Also they do work. There was a study recently that stated as many as 100k votes were surpressed in Wisconsin. In North Carolina the GOP bragged about successfully reducing the black early voting percentage by 22%.

The fact you bring up intelligence in regards to this once again shows you're ignorant on the actual laws themselves.

It has everything to do with intelligence, the roadblocks republicans are trying to put up won't work because black people will use their intelligence to work around them

The fact that you are having a brain aneurysm over my pointing out the intelligence of black people says a lot

There is no evidence that voter suppression worked in Wisconsin Hillary Clinton on Wisconsin photo ID, voter suppression

And nobody cares what republicans brag about, the fact is that black people are too intelligent and resourceful for any voter suppression efforts to have any significant effect

 

[Gus Money]

I don't feel like reading this whole thread but I'll add that voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. People on one side of the fence constantly try to change things in order to "solve" a problem that isn't there.

Most other countries try to make voting at easy as possible. The GOP is one of the few groups in the world trying to make it harder to vote.

I wonder why

 

[blotter]