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I am not someone who defends a show to the last, or creates wild arguments to support weak theories, but maybe you'll see the perspective I am looking at it from,....in addition to being very realistic, there is a bit of stylish operatic sense that plays a part, Ciro's love for his daughter is shown more through a few scenes, and music backed images, than a long, drawn out, relationship. There is a scene where he tells her "You have your friends....I only have you", and laying down in the bed with her, fetal position, when he shows her where he killed her Mom....I mean, that is deep, dark, twisted, loving material, but it's all in glimpses and shades.
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That's what I'm saying though, we only really see her character through Ciro's POV. I don't know the first thing about what was going on in the daughter's head other than that she missed her mother. I also saw her death coming but the actual impact of it was less than I think was "intended"... the way they set it up and shot it was clearly supposed to mean that Pietro had crossed a line of sorts (although obviously in this world kids getting killed is not exactly unthinkable) but the weight of her death as a viewer felt muted. Simply put I didn't develop any reason to care about what happened to her over the course of the season.

A somewhat equivalent character to her is Stannis Boratheon's daughter on Game of Thrones.. as an audience we're aware that her family is pretty fukked up and wouldn't be surprised if she's killed by her mother or father's hand let alone enemies of her family. At the same time I didn't want her to die because I sympathized with her being in a largely bad situation that was out of her control. She was likeable in spite of her parents' ruthlessness and sociopathic behavior because we saw her paying the price for their actions even while she was alive.

I'm not saying that I want a Sopranos esque romanticized character study but the reality is Ciro's daughter WAS being actively impacted by her father (not going to school, presumably isolated from other children for her own safety) and the show chose not to really look at any of that from her own POV. she serves as a plot device/foil for Ciro and little else.

And as far as unsympathetic.....I mean, the show is entirely insular. There are no outside characters for which the casual viewer can ID with, no white cop after them, (narcos!) no Hollywood boyfriend like that Escobar movie, no undercover fed caught in the mix, it's all in the world of retail drug wars of organized crime. I think this is where myself and other viewers can differ. These people aren't monsters, they aren't victims entirely, it's in between. This is the life. That's what it is. I see the characters as deeply human, their actions are all entirely in a world to which normative values are not applied, and they play by those rules. Thats what these people are like. That's the world they live in.

So, for many, I think, it's easier and makes more sense to view it as a "sports game" of sorts, which they gradually loose interest in, because the characters are somewhat repulsive to them. So, while entertained and engrossed, they don't quite grasp the more subverted dynamics underneath the show. Which isn't directed at you, just observations based on people I know, who watched the show. They seemed to lack the larger, and smaller picture.
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I appreciate that aspect of the show as well and agree that their motivations are all very human. That being said at times the show seems to just be moving from one violent set piece to the next. The nihilist atmosphere has been established but the majority of these people have a strong will to live in spite of the deeply entrenched culture of death. It's the moments where life is actually worth living that this show is kind of dropping the ball on imo.
 
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Ciro is a bum but who could ever trust him is crazy. Also he is a number 2 and could never be a number 1 or a boss.
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Posted it the lounge but doubt it'll get seen. I downnloaded the OST as the music in the show is incredible, the adds something extra to every dramatic scene.

Check this piff



Walking down the street earlier with Doomed to Live in and felt like one of those fukks with a terrible haircut walking around in Naples :wow:

This sho has had me out my seat so many times like it was a sport, it might be the GOAT. So many :whoo:momen

Just watched the Gennaro/Ciro face off in the hotel,my heart was racing.

This show fukking really has me emotionally invested like nothing esle. :blessed:
 
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Djalminha said:
Posted it the lounge but doubt it'll get seen. I downnloaded the OST as the music in the show is incredible, the adds something extra to every dramatic scene.

Check this piff



Walking down the street earlier with Doomed to Live in and felt like one of those fukks with a terrible haircut walking around in Naples :wow:

This sho has had me out my seat so many times like it was a sport, it might be the GOAT. So many :whoo:momen

Just watched the Gennaro/Ciro face off in the hotel,my heart was racing.

This show fukking really has me emotionally invested like nothing esle. :blessed:
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That theme is so iconic now. Haunting shyt.

Liked it especially during this scene

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Breh got that poison in him. :wow:
 
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Finally finished the second season, it's the only show I cannot binge becuase I like to let every episode sit and think about it for a bit.

When Malamore killed Ciro's daughter might me the saddest moment in TV history man, but Ciro killing that peice of shyt Pietro at that bytches grave was fukking glorious

Best TV show of all time, literally get's my fukking HEART racing, conastantly getting me out of my seat like it's a fukking sport.



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When Ciro and Gennar are in a scene together it's surreal, fukking Pacino/De Niro in Heat levels of GOATness
 
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I know all about listening to "Doomed To Live" or "Right To The Edge", the whole soundtrack, walking around in an extremely bleak state of mind....I mentioned in this thread, the show hits so hard sometimes because this is playing out just like Gomorrah in Tijuana everyday, 6 murders, all of them a lot like the ones here, quick executions in public places, at the grocery store, or in the car, buying tacos, in a bar, in your home with the kids....

181 murders just last month.

Show is 100% in my top 5 all time. It shouldn't go on much longer though, unless it becomes more anthology based, these guys don't make it that long.
 
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