Golovkin To Sue Cotto

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GGG shouldn't be WBC interim Champ in the first place

Real Champs don't unify with Interim belts :camby:

Cotto was willing to pay 800k plus 150k to keep the belt...the WBC waiting the last minute to pressure Cotto for dollars does not = Cotto ducking 97g by dropping the belt

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Thats it I hope cotto fukking wins N Spray paints the WBC Belt Pink...then spits in Lampley N Kellermans dikk riding faces
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Chavez Jr backed out of the fight?? :martin:

Or Did Bob Arum kill the fight with his bullshyt that was proven to be bullshyt??

2 very different things
Yeah you right breh. Arum was doing JCC dirty. Dramatic effect. :lolbron:
We know GGG signed through. Brehs wanna throw shade and act like GGG isn't doing anything. When breh signs for JCC, tries to get Froch, and is doing literally everything to try and get Cotto and Canelo into the ring, it doesn't jive with the GGG hater stan club that he isnt trying to go against top opponents.

Dudes know that since getting the HBO push, GGG has fought the best competition he could schedule. They act like he is ducking or missing out on all these fights out there. Any fight out there not being made is due to cross promotional issues or other fighters flat out avoiding him.

It is for the best that Canelo-Cotto isn't for a 160 pound belt, cause the best fighter at 160 isnt either of them. Anyone who wants to disagree with that, tell your guy to get in the ring. We are ready, are you? :sas2:
 

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Yeah you right breh. Arum was doing JCC dirty. Dramatic effect. :lolbron:
We know GGG signed through. Brehs wanna throw shade and act like GGG isn't doing anything. When breh signs for JCC, tries to get Froch, and is doing literally everything to try and get Cotto and Canelo into the ring, it doesn't jive with the GGG hater stan club that he isnt trying to go against top opponents.

Dudes know that since getting the HBO push, GGG has fought the best competition he could schedule. They act like he is ducking or missing out on all these fights out there. Any fight out there not being made is due to cross promotional issues or other fighters flat out avoiding him.

It is for the best that Canelo-Cotto isn't for a 160 pound belt, cause the best fighter at 160 isnt either of them. Anyone who wants to disagree with that, tell your guy to get in the ring. We are ready, are you? :sas2:


You can't duck someone whos not in your division N I'll always stand by that

If GGG wanna stay at Middleweight even if its weak, unify N defend his undisputed Championship, I got No problem with that at all...nikkas have done that ever since the sport was made

But HBO N GGGs trainer fukked up a number of ways...instead of talking about him as a great Middleweight defending his titles... they created the boogieman persona that nobody will fight him

So when nikkas call out the boogie man N excuses come out why a fight won't happen it makes you :francis:

Instead of saying GGG is a 160 fighter N will only fight at 160...HBO N his team say GGG can drain to 154...GGG can go to 168...I believe I heard Abel Sanchez say GGG knocks out cruiserweights in sparring N can fight at 175...All that talk N picking N choosing causes people to :francis: when GGG then says I won't catchweight with you
 

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You know damn well that if it was any fighter other than GGG, then people would be busting Cotto's ass for dropping the belt.

Cotto didn't drop the belt...he was stripped by the WBC. Let's keep it factual here.

People get at fighters all the time for negotiating lame catchweights or ducking mandatories. When it's GGG it is :russ:, instead of :ufdup: at Cotto.


Name an example wherd we've gotten at Cotto for fighting Martinez and Geale at a catchweight (since most of us here already KNOW that Cotto isn't a real Middleweight, he's a Junior Middleweight masquerading as a Middleweight so the CWs are legit for him) or any fighter ducking a mandatory.....and I'll wait for those receipts, being #SSShookBoys usually have a problem with acquiring receipts:sas2:


I don't have a problem with Cotto dropping the belt. You know I've been expecting it.


He was stripped by the WBC.

I have been vocal here saying I am rooting for Canelo because I didn't think Cotto would fight GGG. If the deal is right, Canelo won't run from a fight.

Don't act surprised once :canelocartel: drops that belt by not paying the sanctioning fee. He's already on record saying he's not fighting over 155....if GGG comes with that nonsense about fighting at 160, he's gonna be left sitting there with a vacant belt, no big fight, and no bytches:youngsabo:


Still though...this debate on belt/no belt or payoff/no payoff, doesn't matter. That's the facade that people are using to try and style on GGG. GGG and K2 are handling their business they way they want to. We don't think you'll fight us, so we become your mandatory and force you to make a decision. Now we see what your decision is. Had Cotto's mandatory been any 160 fighter other than GGG, you know he wouldn't have dropped the belt.

He didn't drop the belt...he was stripped by the WBC.


Again taking things to fit an anti-GGG narrative, not what his camp is actually saying. GGG has always said he would only fight at 154 vs. Floyd because Floyd is a lottery ticket. Yeah it is about the money...and every other fighter in the world admits they want that lottery ticket vs. Floyd as well. The 154 argument is mute because it applies to every other fighter in existence, and many have said such.

It's mute, because it's not what YALL have been saying. You keep forgetting the "GGG haters" are the ones who's consistently said this guy was ducking top opponents, claiming everyone is ducking him, but yet only willing to move up/down for Floyd, JCC Jr, and Froch rather than for Lara/Andrade/Ward.

Yall claimed he was only interested in unifying the division which is why he wanted Cotto, WE insisted it's because Cotto is a money machine....guess which set was right yet again?:umad:

The 168 is pretty simple as well. He has always said he is not going to move to 168 until he has conquered 160. Notice that the fights at 168 weren't just about the money, K2 has always been clear they are trying to build his brand. They were willing to move to 168 because that is where the PPV fights were (JCC, Froch). Both backed out vs. GGG btw. And Ward...dude couldn't negotiate for 2 years, GGG tried to negotiate with Ward, but Ward wouldn't negotiate on anything until after Lemieux was signed. The Andre Ward who was told by HBO to move up to 175 because there weren't any fights at 168 they wanted to put on their broadcasts and only signed him to his 3 fight deal because it included Kovalev. :mjlol:

So it's funny to yall that Ward actually dropped his Super Middleweight Championship & moved up in search of fighting at WORST the 2nd best Light Heavyweight, in order to increase his competition, but it's cool to stay in a weak division and chase Junior Middleweights who don't weigh in over 155 even when they DONT have a Championship?:jbhmm:

Again...that #SSShookBoy logic:snoop:
 

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Let's be honest here. Like the man said, would you want keep $1.1 million in your bank account or give it away to extortion? :sas2:






At the end of the day, Miguel is real middleweight champion and doesn't need physical possession of the belt, doesn't need the WBC and doesn't need Triple G.

GGG would have had his 800K step aside if the WBC played ball, they didn't and stripped Miguel of the physical title so what would Cotto be paying 800K for? What is there to step aside? :sas1:
 

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:whew: the GGG hate is reaching a fever pitch in the coli


we all know why
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Breh, nobody is hating on lil g the boxer. I'm white myself. We're hating on; the hype, the tween talking out of both sides of his mouth, the fact he's ducked every challenge. So yeah, not cause he's white breh, :camby:
 

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Breh, nobody is hating on lil g the boxer. I'm white myself. We're hating on; the hype, the tween talking out of both sides of his mouth, the fact he's ducked every challenge. So yeah, not cause he's white breh, :camby:
never said it was cause he was white, thats your interpretation, very interesting :ehh:
 

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:whew: the GGG hate is reaching a fever pitch in the coli


we all know why
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Why, yes we do:mjpls:


It's because after all this hype about him being a SUPERSTAR......GGG has just shown us he cant sell PPVs on his own, his biggest win to date on his resume is David Lemieux, and then when it comes to moving up/down, he only wants to fight talented smaller fighters for money reasons while dismissing talented larger fighters for money reasons:sas2:
 

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Why, yes we do:mjpls:


It's because after all this hype about him being a SUPERSTAR......GGG has just shown us he cant sell PPVs on his own, his biggest win to date on his resume is David Lemieux, and then when it comes to moving up/down, he only wants to fight talented smaller fighters for money reasons while dismissing talented larger fighters for money reasons:sas2:
i dont know about you, but im a boxing fan, not a ppv buy fan. should make a special ppv and business subforum so your kind can leave the boxing section to us boxing fans :mjpls:
 

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i dont know about you, but im a boxing fan, not a ppv buy fan. should make a special ppv and business subforum so your kind can leave the boxing section to us boxing fans :mjpls:

That's funny...because GGG and his team always brought up being a "draw" and fighting on PPV in regards to reasons why :soggang: wasn't an option but Floyd/JCC Jr/Froch were:sas1:


I also see you didn't go past that 1 reason I posted for why GGG gets hate....so here, let me repost the rest and wait for your response:

...his biggest win to date on his resume is David Lemieux, and then when it comes to moving up/down, he only wants to fight talented smaller fighters for money reasons while dismissing talented larger fighters for money reasons:sas2:
 

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You can't duck someone whos not in your division N I'll always stand by that

If GGG wanna stay at Middleweight even if its weak, unify N defend his undisputed Championship, I got No problem with that at all...nikkas have done that ever since the sport was made

But HBO N GGGs trainer fukked up a number of ways...instead of talking about him as a great Middleweight defending his titles... they created the boogieman persona that nobody will fight him

So when nikkas call out the boogie man N excuses come out why a fight won't happen it makes you :francis:

Instead of saying GGG is a 160 fighter N will only fight at 160...HBO N his team say GGG can drain to 154...GGG can go to 168...I believe I heard Abel Sanchez say GGG knocks out cruiserweights in sparring N can fight at 175...All that talk N picking N choosing causes people to :francis: when GGG then says I won't catchweight with you
I agree with this. People need to clarify, at least some people have started clarifying they hate the "hype" or what HBO has done for him. :manny:
Fact is, I love that. I constantly say I prefer HBO and Showtime over PBC because they build stars. I could see why it is egregious to some hardcore fans, because they can tell the real without all the spoken hype. It works though. You get people excited over a fighter by building the hype train or encouraging it. It has been talked about here, imagine how Wilder would be perceived if he was an HBO fighter. Dudes would probably be going crazy mad at the hype and screaming they think he is a fraud, but we can't act like there isn't a benefit to that. Wilder would be promoted to superstardom and the general public would be clamoring for Wilder-Wlad. I like that HBO and Showtime do that, yeah we have to wade through some bullshyt, but boxing is largely a promotional sport. They don't have any "league" that promotes them like the NBA. I wish PBC would give their fighters a "hype" boost more. They have the roster and talent to do it. Especially if they do plan on creating their own belt and keeping most fights to their in house fighters, they need to up their marketing game.

Abel though...yeah, I have long been on the take everything Abel says with a grain of salt. He goes over the top way too much. In GGG's camp I listen to GGG and Tom Loeffler. GGG never talks dirty about another fighter and genuinely seems to respect his opponents. I have no doubt that GGG wants to cement his legacy at 160 and he is the one wanting top fighters at MW. I think it is Abel who is the one who mouths off about GGG fighting every guy not in his weight class.
Loeffler seems like a quality manager. Again I have never heard him say anything crazy. It always seems to be logical plans to move GGG to his next fight. He did a good job setting up GGG to be the mandatory for Cotto. He was putting pressure on Cotto to make the choice, are you a MW or not? That is good business. It may not work out in getting GGG a fight, but it was realistically the only way to get a seat at the negotiating table.

I still don't see any ducking and no one seems to have any real examples. If we take words out of GGG and Loeffler's mouth, they only would fight at 154 for Floyd, because Floyd is the lottery ticket. Hopkins and Ward where even joking about wanting that fight. Everyone wants the Floyd stimulus. And Loeffler's long term goal is building GGG into a star and PPV attraction. He doesn't have the promotional arm of a TR, so he has tried to get fights vs. Froch and JCC at 168 because those would have been PPV fights with guaranteed career high paydays. GGG was never the reason those fights didn't happen.
The Ward deal really isn't worth discussing, because no one seems to take an objective take on it. My view point: I would favor Ward. Ward is my current #1 PFP fighter in boxing. If we are saying the only fighter people as a consensus view will beat GGG is the #1 PFP in boxing, that really isn't an insult. You can take it to the Mayweather-Pacquiao train of thought. Just because Mayweather is better than Pacquiao, doesn't mean Pacquiao is a bum or fraud. It just means Floyd was number 1 and during Pacquiao's run, even if he wasn't as good as Floyd, he still deserved to be following right in line behind Floyd at the top of the PFP.

Then some arguments derive into just weird stuff. GGG ducking Lara? Seriously. Lara is food. Canelo had Lara running around the ring, you think GGG is scared of Lara? The reason Lara isn't on GGG's radar: HBO doesn't want the fight, Lara is currently (might be moving up) at 154, and he really isn't of that high stature. Andrade? Dude can't even get in the ring at 154 vs. C opponents, yet GGG is ducking him? I would say GGG calling out the winner of Lee-Saunders is far more desirable than Lara or Andrade. Then if people have a problem with GGG fighting guys who may be more natural at 154, then isn't Canelo or Cotto (who are the 2 best fighters at 154 IMO) better choices than Lara or Andrade?
 

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I agree with this. People need to clarify, at least some people have started clarifying they hate the "hype" or what HBO has done for him. :manny:
Fact is, I love that. I constantly say I prefer HBO and Showtime over PBC because they build stars. I could see why it is egregious to some hardcore fans, because they can tell the real without all the spoken hype. It works though. You get people excited over a fighter by building the hype train or encouraging it. It has been talked about here, imagine how Wilder would be perceived if he was an HBO fighter. Dudes would probably be going crazy mad at the hype and screaming they think he is a fraud, but we can't act like there isn't a benefit to that. Wilder would be promoted to superstardom and the general public would be clamoring for Wilder-Wlad. I like that HBO and Showtime do that, yeah we have to wade through some bullshyt, but boxing is largely a promotional sport. They don't have any "league" that promotes them like the NBA. I wish PBC would give their fighters a "hype" boost more. They have the roster and talent to do it. Especially if they do plan on creating their own belt and keeping most fights to their in house fighters, they need to up their marketing game.

Abel though...yeah, I have long been on the take everything Abel says with a grain of salt. He goes over the top way too much. In GGG's camp I listen to GGG and Tom Loeffler. GGG never talks dirty about another fighter and genuinely seems to respect his opponents. I have no doubt that GGG wants to cement his legacy at 160 and he is the one wanting top fighters at MW. I think it is Abel who is the one who mouths off about GGG fighting every guy not in his weight class.
Loeffler seems like a quality manager. Again I have never heard him say anything crazy. It always seems to be logical plans to move GGG to his next fight. He did a good job setting up GGG to be the mandatory for Cotto. He was putting pressure on Cotto to make the choice, are you a MW or not? That is good business. It may not work out in getting GGG a fight, but it was realistically the only way to get a seat at the negotiating table.

I still don't see any ducking and no one seems to have any real examples. If we take words out of GGG and Loeffler's mouth, they only would fight at 154 for Floyd, because Floyd is the lottery ticket. Hopkins and Ward where even joking about wanting that fight. Everyone wants the Floyd stimulus. And Loeffler's long term goal is building GGG into a star and PPV attraction. He doesn't have the promotional arm of a TR, so he has tried to get fights vs. Froch and JCC at 168 because those would have been PPV fights with guaranteed career high paydays. GGG was never the reason those fights didn't happen.
The Ward deal really isn't worth discussing, because no one seems to take an objective take on it. My view point: I would favor Ward. Ward is my current #1 PFP fighter in boxing. If we are saying the only fighter people as a consensus view will beat GGG is the #1 PFP in boxing, that really isn't an insult. You can take it to the Mayweather-Pacquiao train of thought. Just because Mayweather is better than Pacquiao, doesn't mean Pacquiao is a bum or fraud. It just means Floyd was number 1 and during Pacquiao's run, even if he wasn't as good as Floyd, he still deserved to be following right in line behind Floyd at the top of the PFP.

Then some arguments derive into just weird stuff. GGG ducking Lara? Seriously. Lara is food. Canelo had Lara running around the ring, you think GGG is scared of Lara? The reason Lara isn't on GGG's radar: HBO doesn't want the fight, Lara is currently (might be moving up) at 154, and he really isn't of that high stature. Andrade? Dude can't even get in the ring at 154 vs. C opponents, yet GGG is ducking him? I would say GGG calling out the winner of Lee-Saunders is far more desirable than Lara or Andrade. Then if people have a problem with GGG fighting guys who may be more natural at 154, then isn't Canelo or Cotto (who are the 2 best fighters at 154 IMO) better choices than Lara or Andrade?

Yeah you're just making up stuff now.

hbo approved Lara and his team said no while Gaele was their best W soon as hbo approved Lara was when they started to call out Floyd due hbo clearing a Haymon fighter. :shaq2:

It doesn't matter if you feel Lara is food clearly his team don't feel that way.
 
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