The reaction was because UI is a technique beerus hasn't been able to master and its hinted that UI is the technique Whis is using.
Goku and Vegeta vs Marvel Universe
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Blue Beetle chin checked Sentry into space and Sentry gave Bettle an L. That's without taking the Void into consideration. They're equivalent.
Marvel characters do not fight at the same pace as Dragonball characters. Strongest non-Z fighter Hercule couldn't see the Goku vs Cell fight. The Z fighters besides Gohan couldnt follow it.
Meanwhile the Illuminati are not only able to find the sentry fighting worldbreaker Hulk but throw out the Hulkbuster and send him to space.
Stop it.
I'm a huge Marvel fan or was, current stuff doesn't interest me but none of these characters are fighting at Drgon Ball speeds.
hercule is a joke character. him not being able to see saiyans fight versus a versatile group of psychics, mages and hyper intelligent beings isnt comparable. that goes for the z fighters that arent saiyans either. because you dont have the characters move at fts speeds during battles doesnt mean that they cant, it just means that they dont. considering they can all move at or near light speeds then whats stopping them from fighting the z warriors at the same rates?
Trust me, I know all to well about the inconsistencies between writers, fact is there are multiple types of immunities. Enraged beings can't be controlled either. The super saiyan form is in a constant rage against the body and mind, which is why it's not the preferred form via the Kais' point of view.
Telepaths won't be able to interrupt them. There have been plenty of examples of enraged hulk, wolverine not being touched in these states. Even deadpool. I'm not going to discount the Nate scan because I'm not seeing enough evidence from the Marvel end to sway me that other than reality warpers they are taking it.
yeah, thats not true
hulk wolverine an deadpool are special cases for mind control. the hulk has become more resistant to it because of the many personalities inside banner the fight whoevers attacking their minds, (which in this instance happens to be worldbreaker), wolverine is resistant due to weapon x fukkery, and deadpools breain is constantly breaking down and repairing itself. being enraged isnt a means to stop someone mindiving on you
well i mean the in universe stuff matters
DB's world in terms of its powers and elements much of it runs on KI outside of the racial abilties like Oozaru, and Namekians regen. Alot of their powers are ki related. Plus you bringing up him reading krillin's mind, when he wouldnt be able o do that to marvel characters(unless there are those that use chi/ki) So
They would all get washed. They're not fast enough or capable enough to handle the damage being given. Sentry and Blue Marvel are basically the same. Thor and Hulk depending on upper versions are close in strength. Captain Marvel
What the Marvel defenders are missing in this debate is, Vegeta and Goku are not fighting at a speed Marvel characters can see.
They're doing this as their regular speed.
Everyone is getting blitzed.
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The only one that can beat reality warpers is Rachel Grey, because A: she is unaffected by it and two: they're all insane a simple beating with her mental abilities.
The fact that you have to bring up reality warpers proves says something about these TWO saiyans. Adult Franklin would be your best bet as, Wanda is not doing it at will like that, Beyonder would be more interested in seeing their power, resulting in his loss or trying to take their bodies.
SILVER SURFER WAS traveling multiple light years in seconds.
Dragon ball characters don’t become light speed until late super. And it’s pretty much only Jiren, Dyspo, and UI Goku as far as the mortals go.
If you said the x-men and avengers then maybe, MAYBE.
And that's only if telepathy is at the HIGHEST level doesn't work.
These type of battles away's come down to how the speed force is used for me. Even in battles between hero's it's never used correctly imo. Thor, thanos, SS all them dudes be moving and battling at Light speed, only to like go hand to hand with someone that can't.
I'm assuming marvel and dc folks don't really fight at light speed but more so move at it and can keep up with it visually.
goku and them though...
If goku and vegeta moving around one shoting a bunch of people and hyper sonic speed the sure a lot of people would get K.O'd but lets not forget the marvel universe is filled with insanely genius and prepared fighters as well as comic world and universe benders.
What is goku and vegeta going to do against Molecule man?
And that's only if telepathy is at the HIGHEST level doesn't work.
These type of battles away's come down to how the speed force is used for me. Even in battles between hero's it's never used correctly imo. Thor, thanos, SS all them dudes be moving and battling at Light speed, only to like go hand to hand with someone that can't.
I'm assuming marvel and dc folks don't really fight at light speed but more so move at it and can keep up with it visually.
goku and them though...
If goku and vegeta moving around one shoting a bunch of people and hyper sonic speed the sure a lot of people would get K.O'd but lets not forget the marvel universe is filled with insanely genius and prepared fighters as well as comic world and universe benders.
What is goku and vegeta going to do against Molecule man?
For most characters in marvel this is true.
The dbz universe is the opposite with the fighters fighting at light speed but most cant move or travel at light speed. This is evident by scenes where they fight as speeds that the naked eye cant register, but it still takes minutes to travel to places on earth.
I still maintain that goku and vegeta could take out majority of the marvel universe.
They'd get stopped at the galactic beings.
A better debate would be the entire dragonball universe vs marvel.
Dragonball would win.
Comic book stans 
Goku & Vegeta take this and it isn't even close.
Goku & Vegeta take this and it isn't even close.
Comic book stans
Goku & Vegeta take this and it isn't even close.
Goku at his strongest right now in the manga is "struggling" vs a battle mage.
There are characters that goku might not even be able to damage physically and characters that would literally get stronger from his chi blast... and that's just on earth.
Comic book stans
Goku & Vegeta take this and it isn't even close.
I'm going to assume, you don't have a rebuttal....
Marvel wins this pretty easy, goku can't even beat Wiz or moro....
There are marvel characters that would make short work of them.
For most characters in marvel this is true.
The dbz universe is the opposite with the fighters fighting at light speed but most cant move or travel at light speed. This is evident by scenes where they fight as speeds that the naked eye cant register, but it still takes minutes to travel to places on earth.
I still maintain that goku and vegeta could take out majority of the marvel universe.
They'd get stopped at the galactic beings.
A better debate would be the entire dragonball universe vs marvel.
Dragonball would win.
There are plenty of comic humans that move faster than the naked eye can see. It doesn’t mean you’re faster than light speed. I can post numerous examples of marvel characters reacting in nano-seconds or showing FTL reflex speed.
There is literally nothing that shows them moving faster than light speed until DB super. They’re just fast.
It’s just a difference in how comic panels are written. and drawn. These two characters are moving far faster than Goku or Vegeta ever have but it might not look like it at first glance.
hercule is a joke character. him not being able to see saiyans fight versus a versatile group of psychics, mages and hyper intelligent beings isnt comparable. that goes for the z fighters that arent saiyans either. because you dont have the characters move at fts speeds during battles doesnt mean that they cant, it just means that they dont. considering they can all move at or near light speeds then whats stopping them from fighting the z warriors at the same rates?
yeah, thats not true
hulk wolverine an deadpool are special cases for mind control. the hulk has become more resistant to it because of the many personalities inside banner the fight whoevers attacking their minds, (which in this instance happens to be worldbreaker), wolverine is resistant due to weapon x fukkery, and deadpools breain is constantly breaking down and repairing itself. being enraged isnt a means to stop someone mindiving on you
Angry is not enraged. Wolverine has had psionic blocks placed within his mind but during his rages, he can not be stopped, he's beaten Jean before.
SILVER SURFER WAS traveling multiple light years in seconds.
Dragon ball characters don’t become light speed until late super. And it’s pretty much only Jiren, Dyspo, and UI Goku as far as the mortals go.
Again, travel does not mean battling at light speed. If you had scans of surfer battling at light speed with those reactions, feel free to post them. I can think of one scan but even that one doesn't fit.
They've been fighting FTL since the namekian saga.
Marvel characters travel at light speed. Their eyes are not suited for that kind of combat. Wolverine, one of the most agile and technically trained warriors was giving Thor that work.
Angry is not enraged. Wolverine has had psionic blocks placed within his mind but during his rages, he can not be stopped, he's beaten Jean before.
Again, travel does not mean battling at light speed. If you had scans of surfer battling at light speed with those reactions, feel free to post them. I can think of one scan but even that one doesn't fit.
They've been fighting FTL since the namekian saga.
Marvel characters travel at light speed. Their eyes are not suited for that kind of combat. Wolverine, one of the most agile and technically trained warriors was giving Thor that work.
Show stated proof that DBZ characters ever moved faster than light during the Namek saga. Or any saga.