Goku and Vegeta vs Marvel Universe

[parallax]

That said, top 10 telepath Nate Grey couldn't beat Norman Osborne. Why? Because telepathy strikes the will of opponents. Since I've read thousands of comics there have been plenty of battles that have been lost due to this very same thing.

Vegeta already proved his stuff against Babidi's magic and you know these two saiyans have the most willpower out there.

Goatku has been doing image training since he was a kid. Not to mention communicating with life forms to assemble the spirit bomb requires mental projection and fortitude. They're not losing to telepaths. To be a martial artist in DBZ everything has to be top tier, the mental doesn't get neglected.

the thing about comics is that sometimes writers like to give certain characters shields from attacks normally powerful. like how in savage avengers they had the punisher shake off the penance stare because he didnt feel bad about what hed done even though thats not how the powers work. osborn is a literal anomaly, esecially considering a dying xman trapped all known mutants.

 

[parallax]

They would all get washed. They're not fast enough or capable enough to handle the damage being given. Sentry and Blue Marvel are basically the same. Thor and Hulk depending on upper versions are close in strength. Captain Marvel


What the Marvel defenders are missing in this debate is, Vegeta and Goku are not fighting at a speed Marvel characters can see.

They're doing this as their regular speed.

Everyone is getting blitzed.

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The only one that can beat reality warpers is Rachel Grey, because A: she is unaffected by it and two: they're all insane a simple beating with her mental abilities.

The fact that you have to bring up reality warpers proves says something about these TWO saiyans. Adult Franklin would be your best bet as, Wanda is not doing it at will like that, Beyonder would be more interested in seeing their power, resulting in his loss or trying to take their bodies.

a living anti matter reactor and a reality warper with an unknown limit are nearly the same? the sentry can fly from the sun to earth in no time, and hes not supposed to be able to comprehend goku and vegeta going fast? cmon now

 

[Cadillac]

This fight would be better with Piccolo and Gohan but with just Vegeta and Goatku they are sweeping everyone but reality warpers.

I'll only use Z feats because Super is trash.

I see no one has brought up that Goku is a capable telepath: read Krillin's mind on Namek, communicates with Gohan telepathically to deflect the spirit bomb against Vegeta. Interrupts a conversation between King Kai and the eldest Guru on Namek.

I would prefer Piccolo in this fight because he was communicating with Goten and Trunks in the hyperbolic time chamber, being outside of it, which are two different dimensions.

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last i check Gokus mind reading was just him reading Krillin's ki.

Going off that, you can argue alot of those abilties your mentioning are all ki related. Marvel doesnt rely on ki, plus thats nothing compared to what marvel can do

 

[5n0man]

Cops arrested Thanos cause he was acting out at the bodega cause akhi on the grill fukked up his bacon egg and cheese on a roll.

He was thinking about erasing half of mankind, Harlem police department had some questions about why he had @Another Man on his mind in the first place.

 

[duncanthetall]

I thought I was a nerd. You nikkas are something else

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Yes



The flaw with the fusion technique is that it doesn't last long enough to beat someone like Jiren even if gogeta manages to fight him to a stale mate.

This problem was highlighted during the goku black arc where realistically zamasu should have won as soon as the fusion ended if not for trunks plot armor. Vegito is supposed to be the stronger of the two fusions and they couldn't hold it more than a few minutes because of how powerful goku and vegeta have become.

That's a different conversation. We're only talking about who's stronger. When Broly and SSJ Gogeta clash and warps reality, that's a far more impressive feat seeing as MUI Goku and Jiren didn't do the same. And they were going all out.

 

[5n0man]

That's a different conversation. We're only talking about who's stronger. When Broly and SSJ Gogeta clash and warps reality, that's a far more impressive feat seeing as MUI Goku and Jiren didn't do the same. And they were going all out.

Goku creating a universe by powering up in MUI is more impressive than that, and they were not going all out.

Broly was trying to kill, Jiren wasn't.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Goku creating a universe by powering up in MUI is more impressive than that, and they were not going all out.

Broly was trying to kill, Jiren wasn't.

What proof is there that Goku was creating an universe?

You can go all out fighting without killing someone. But fair point.

 

[Monsanto]

a living anti matter reactor and a reality warper with an unknown limit are nearly the same? the sentry can fly from the sun to earth in no time, and hes not supposed to be able to comprehend goku and vegeta going fast? cmon now

Blue Beetle chin checked Sentry into space and Sentry gave Bettle an L. That's without taking the Void into consideration. They're equivalent.

Marvel characters do not fight at the same pace as Dragonball characters. Strongest non-Z fighter Hercule couldn't see the Goku vs Cell fight. The Z fighters besides Gohan couldnt follow it.

Meanwhile the Illuminati are not only able to find the sentry fighting worldbreaker Hulk but throw out the Hulkbuster and send him to space.

Stop it.


I'm a huge Marvel fan or was, current stuff doesn't interest me but none of these characters are fighting at Drgon Ball speeds.

 

[5n0man]

What proof is there that Goku was creating an universe?

The heat from his energy transformed into a miniature galaxy before he absorbed it.

You can go all out fighting without killing someone. But fair point.

I look at it like this.

Whis said goku and vegeta would be able to hold their own against beerus if they fused, MUI flat out scared beerus.

 

[Monsanto]

last i check Gokus mind reading was just him reading Krillin's ki.

Going off that, you can argue alot of those abilties your mentioning are all ki related. Marvel doesnt rely on ki, plus thats nothing compared to what marvel can do

We can argue in-universe stuff until we're blue in the face, fact is he interrupted an intergalactic telepathic conversation. And as for mental abilities Xavier required help from Magneto to amplify his abilities to contact Galactus in Secret Wars.

He also need help in using a technique like the spirit bomb to communicate with beings across planets to use their energy. Goku is not a fool mentally.

 

[5n0man]

Goku is not a fool mentally.

As of super he is.


But you're right, goku is not defenseless when it comes to mental attacks. Nether is vegeta for the record.

 

[Monsanto]

the thing about comics is that sometimes writers like to give certain characters shields from attacks normally powerful. like how in savage avengers they had the punisher shake off the penance stare because he didnt feel bad about what hed done even though thats not how the powers work. osborn is a literal anomaly, esecially considering a dying xman trapped all known mutants.

Trust me, I know all to well about the inconsistencies between writers, fact is there are multiple types of immunities. Enraged beings can't be controlled either. The super saiyan form is in a constant rage against the body and mind, which is why it's not the preferred form via the Kais' point of view.

Telepaths won't be able to interrupt them. There have been plenty of examples of enraged hulk, wolverine not being touched in these states. Even deadpool. I'm not going to discount the Nate scan because I'm not seeing enough evidence from the Marvel end to sway me that other than reality warpers they are taking it.

 

[Monsanto]

As of super he is.


But you're right, goku is not defenseless when it comes to mental attacks. Nether is vegeta for the record.

I'm sticking with their Z versions because Super would be too much for Marvel.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The heat from his energy transformed into a miniature galaxy before he absorbed it.

It did look like a galaxy. I figured that was for visual effect not an actual galaxy. I still do.

I look at it like this.

Whis said goku and vegeta would be able to hold their own against beerus if they fused, MUI flat out scared beerus.

Impressed, in awe, most respected, yes. Scared.... I don't think so.

For anyone who wants to watch a full Goku vs Jiren.