Gilbert Arenas and JJ Reddikk debate the NBAs future after Lebron and Curry retire

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Being a player face driven league will come at a cost.

No other sport talks about “Denver” in the manner its being spoken about in this video. The investment is in the teams
The investment in teams works in football and soccer but it’s not as clear that it works for something like MLB or the NBA. There’s all this talk all the time about how bad the MLB is at marketing stars and bringing back the casual consumer. The same thing is said about hockey.

I don’t entirely disagree because marquee college basketball games had higher ratings than the NBA last year but it would take a long time to develop and current fans are not conditioned to view basketball that way.
 

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It won't happen but it would be nice to see these shows and analysts actually break down the game and discuss the game. NBA media coverage is AWFUL! Always talking narratives and drama.
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They’re unqualified for the job. You would have shows with only former players.
 

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That’s the nba job to build there stars up say what you want but Stern was the goat at it
 

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The NBA player driven model is what brought them out of the drug infested, Finals on tape delay 70s when Magic and Bird came into the league

That’s the formula David Stern used to turn the league into Juggernaut

I don’t see it changing anytime soon
 

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Exactly, this is why the nfl grows the way it does, the nfl markets every team regardless of market. When the playoffs for the nfl started every team had segments on nfl network breaking down the teams and talking about the players and coaches. The nfl doesn’t care about the market your in they care about the product you put on the field
This isn’t clearly true. You guys cannot point to any data points that say this. It’s a conclusion searching for evidence that validates it. NFL teams play 17 times a year before the playoffs and don’t even play each other every year. The NFL is closer to something like the premier league then it is to the NBA. You cannot compare a sport that happens that infrequently to an 82 game season. Baseball, basketball and hockey all struggle to have people care about their regular seasons. They don’t command a single day of the week like those other sports. Cut the NBA season to 30 games and have big teams play each other as infrequently as soccer or football and see what the ratings would look like. Have the teams command Sunday after the NFL season is nearly done and see what happens.

Their business plans aren’t remotely similar. I don’t care how much you promote teams. Most fans won’t care until near the end of the season. You think the average NBA fan is going to give a shyt about Lakers-Warriors if both teams aren’t good or Knicks-Nets? NBA rivalries have historically been formed based on repeatedly battling in the playoffs. (Hear-Knicks, Lakers-Kings, Knicks-Bulls, etc.) It’s unsurprising that the one team-based rivalry the NBA has always been able to sell is Lakers-Celtics. Maybe in the new CBA you get the same teams playing each other again and again in the playoffs and it happens organically and you can sell it.
 

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If that's the case, so be it. NFL media is mostly former players. They'll actually analyze and break the game down. Same with MLB coverage.
I don’t disagree but that’s the current realities. Retired NBA players are adapting to the media versus the media adapting to them and their knowledge. You’re basically telling these people to advocate for the end of their jobs.
 

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The NBA player driven model is what brought them out of the drug infested, Finals on tape delay 70s when Magic and Bird came into the league

That’s the formula David Stern used to turn the league into Juggernaut

I don’t see it changing anytime soon
If Bird and Magic didnt play on two of the leagues most storied franchises, the rivalry doesnt come to be. Bird and magic fit into an already existing rivalry. That initially mattered more.
 

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Lebron haters/non fans are really in a weird spot a person whey been hating on for 20 years is about to retire who’s next to direct it to

An avg guy who was hating from 15 is now 35
He went from rooting against him from his mama crib to coming home from work and taking it out on his wife when he wins :russ:

Hypothetical guy been having a real peaceful last few years I guess :francis:
 

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This isn’t clearly true. You guys cannot point to any data points that say this. It’s a conclusion searching for evidence that validates it. NFL teams play 17 times a year before the playoffs and don’t even play each other every year. The NFL is closer to something like the premier league then it is to the NBA. You cannot compare a sport that happens that infrequently to an 82 game season. Baseball, basketball and hockey all struggle to have people care about their regular seasons. They don’t command a single day of the week like those other sports. Cut the NBA season to 30 games and have big teams play each other as infrequently as soccer or football and see what the ratings would look like. Have the teams command Sunday after the NFL season is nearly done and see what happens.

Their business plans aren’t remotely similar. I don’t care how much you promote teams. Most fans won’t care until near the end of the season. You think the average NBA fan is going to give a shyt about Lakers-Warriors if both teams aren’t good or Knicks-Nets? NBA rivalries have historically been formed based on repeatedly battling in the playoffs. (Hear-Knicks, Lakers-Kings, Knicks-Bulls, etc.) It’s unsurprising that the one team-based rivalry the NBA has always been able to sell is Lakers-Celtics. Maybe in the new CBA you get the same teams playing each other again and again in the playoffs and it happens organically and you can sell it.

The nfl can’t play as many times as the nba, the only way the nba works is when they have long seasons shorter seasons will result in less money not more, that discussion has already been had about shortening the season and it has been put to rest over a decade and a half ago.

It isn’t about the casual fans, they come at the end of the season in all sports. The engaged fans are who you market too because they bring the enthusiasm that allows for other people to come and engage in, hitting streaks or win streaks in baseball for example it is the enthusiasm for those that lead to the casual fans getting involved like Sammy sosa and mark maguire and the media played a big role in getting the casual fan engaged in that race.

Multiple sports writers on espn, fs1, JJ Redikk, Colin cowherd, and Rich Esien have discussed how the nfl and nba marketing is different. NFL focuses more on teams and the product on the field providing equal Media access for all of them for the most part.

The nfl has rivalries too, cowboys-49ers, 49ers-Seahawks, eagles-giants, packers-bears, packers-Vikings, giants-cowboys, eagles-cowboys, and they create new ones. Why do you think Adam Silver is creating a new cba that pushes parity, he is trying to grow all the markets not just the ones situated near the two major media markets of LA and Boston.
 

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The nuggets were on tv 16 times nationally this season despite being the number one seed since December there are no excuses for that.

The media should be covering a number of young and upcoming teams. OKC’s young core with Shai is something that should be discussed in the regular season, they barely covered when he dropped 50 hoop heads were discussing it but the media wasn’t for the most part. Anthony Edwards has been beasting it all season and refused to go down to Denver without a fight resulting in an overtime win due to a joker missed free throw.

The national media was shameful this post season using talking points that Denver post and nuggets media used back in March like the Jamal Murray asking if the nuggets were going to trade him after his acl tear. Malone told that story in March, or talking about how is it like playing with Jokic With his vision. Those are 2018 questions.
 

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It’s a good question. There isn’t a person for casual fans to give a fukk about yet Jokic, Luka, Embiid, and Giannis (even Wemby eventually) aren’t playing on the most popular teams and honestly aren’t charismatic due to the fact they aren’t native players. Accents and even personalities aren’t easy to promote. Ja messed up his brand, Zion stays fat.

The only way this changes is a player leads their teams to win a few championships and casual fans start wanting to watch excellence. 1 win isn’t enough.

Flipside this could be all part of Silvers goal for parity, he’s been pushing it and maybe team rivalries will become a big draw.
It’s kinda hard to gauge these type of things. I base my shyt of the clout generation, social media generation and my immediate circle of friends. Then of course you need KDs, Curry’s, Ja’s and Zions and but a much larger group of people are boring cacs, Latinos and Asians who just watch games and espn. Do they really need big name/charismatic players or just good basketball and rivalries? But then again with only 5 players on the court and one player could be worth damn near as much as the rest combined, basketball has always been about the star players.



Another thing I think that is working against basketball is the lack of fukks given about college basketball.

That transition of building stars from a young age to the draft to the pros works really well for the nfl and used to work well for the nba. Now it feels like it’s just random dudes coming up outta nowhere (to the casuals)
 

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If Bird and Magic didnt play on two of the leagues most storied franchises, the rivalry doesnt come to be. Bird and magic fit into an already existing rivalry. That initially mattered more.
It was a perfect storm.

Its something they have chased ever since

They tried to create it again when Bron and Melo got drafted

They'll never change
 

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I don’t think that is true, one of the big appeals of the nfl is the parity of the league. The truth is the nba needs to do a better job promoting teams instead of players because it will build up the markets that will help sustain the league when the three big markets in la, Boston, New York, Chicago, and Philly are bad. I mean we talk about golden state now but they weren’t always must see tv majority of my life no one was watching the warriors like that because they were terrible
The highest rated finals the last 20-30 years have been Jordan, Shaq/Kobe and Steph/LeBron. Casual NBA fans tune in when superstars are on dominant teams. Duncan is the only outlier.
 
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