Giannis is this era's Admiral, until further notice...

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Is this an insult? David Robinson is one of the greatest centers of all time.

Yeah... Giannis isn’t the player D Rob was

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

This is disrespect to the Admiral tbh

The Admiral not taking the Spurs out of a stacked west where Houston and Utah routinely had better all-around talent until Tim Duncan got there is not the same as Giannis not being able to finish off the Raptors two years ago.

Put near-prime Robinson on that Bucks squad, and he can at least hit enough 15-17 footers to hold on to one of those leads from the four games they lost.

We really gonna hate on a nikka for not being able to get out of the Western Conference with soft-ass Sean Elliott, Vinny del Negro, and Avery Johnson as his best role players (outside Rodman, of course, but that fit in conservative-ass San Antonio was never going to work for long).

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Wow! Overrated? Really?

I watched basketball the entire 90s and after the Dream gave him a nightmare, he seemed to be properly rated. He was typically rated 3rd behind Shaq and Hakeem. And ranked higher than Ewing, Zo, Mutumbo, etc. (granted I'm only speaking on the Center position hierarchy)

Personally, I'd take Mutumbo & Zo over him.Iffy on Ewing.He's another guy I wasn't all that big on.

 

[ISO]

Yeah... Giannis isn’t the player D Rob was

Giannis is just as special.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

And yes, Hakeem was clearly the better center with his legendary footwork and balance, but Hakeem also had dudes like Sam Cassell and Robert Horry on his squads (and later post-prime Clyde Drexler). Even dudes like Mario Elie were quality off the bench. SA just did not have that level of talent or depth in the supporting cast.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Personally, I'd take Mutumbo & Zo over him.Iffy on Ewing.He's another guy I wasn't all that big on.

Mutumbo and Zo?

Nah you a hating ass nikka

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Mutumbo and Zo?

Nah you a hating ass nikka

Nah Admiral was a helluva human being.Type of dude you'd want your daughter to marry.Just never thought he was a killer on the court.That's just me, tho.You're opinion could be different.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Giannis is just as special.

Giannis dont have to bang with Shaq, Pat,and Dream,

 

[get these nets]

And yes, Hakeem was clearly the better center with his legendary footwork and balance, but Hakeem also had dudes like Sam Cassell and Robert Horry on his squads (and later post-prime Clyde Drexler). Even dudes like Mario Elie were quality off the bench. SA just did not have that level of talent or depth in the supporting cast.

Horry and Cassell were rookies the year the Rockets won. People leave out Kenny too.

Dream made the right reads and passes out of double teams, and those shooters came through but let's not say that the Rockets were stacked either year they won. Dream was just beasting offensively and defensively during both title runs. Drexler was doing his thing on ring 2.....but Dream LITERALLY saved the series by closing out on the PnR and altering Starks' shot in game 6.

 

[Project Pooch]

Robinson gotta be one of the most overrated players

 

[VBM]

No one in here has done this...

I'm in agreement.Always said D Rob was the most overrated player of the 90's era.Giannis is his reflection in the 2010's.Shiny stats, but no true glory.

In real time very little, if any, people cared about David Robinson

He was the guy that everyone mentioned as a good player just because we felt obligated to for whatever reason and respected his service

Empty stat machine that got carried by a true goat to a ring. Could he have had better casts? Sure. But that could be said of most stars in any era. His scoring title was a joke and then he intentionally stayed out of games to tank. And lost almost every series that mattered until he was a dusty role playing shell of himself

The era's admiral is closer to Karl Anthony Towns than Giannis

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Duncan was lucky to be drafted to a team with as good a player as David Robinson on it.

as a veteran mentor and good person? yes, definitely. he was not elite at the same time as duncan

No way you watched D Rob play one second of nba basketball with this take

"Empty stats machine" but made the playoffs 7 out of 8 years before Duncan got there

How many all stars did D Rob play with before Timmy got there ? How many all nba players did he play with ? I bet you can't name 5 of his teammates before Timmy without doing your googles

DRob came up getting buckets against all time great defenders like Mutumbo, Ewing, and Hakeem, but people in this thread comparing him to a dude who can't get consistent buckets against Nic Claxton

This is rapidly turning into one of the worst threads on the coli and that is saying something

D Rob must have fukked some of your mothers or something cause he got to be one of the most disrespected players ever mentioned on the coli

Closer to Karl Anthony Towns who consistently puts up numbers on one of the worst teams in the nba but in real life D Rob led an annual playoff team in virtuall every statistical category every year

robinson got sonned by olajuwon so bad that none of his shyt mattered at all

ewing was better than robinson

 

[Da King]

Has there been a more apropos comp, in regards to both's stature in The League in their primes and what they did once the tournament began every year?

Admiral did a full four years at college plus a two-year service stint, so at Giannis' age (26) he was only in Y2. But think of it in the sense that thru Y8, which is where Giannis is, and where Robinson was in '97, here's where they line up in an accolades comp:

Admiral thru Y8 ('97)
•MVP, DPOY, ROY, scoring title, rebounding title, blocks title
•7x All-NBA (4x 1st), 7x All-D (4x 1st), 7x All-Star

•7 playoff appearances: 54.7 wins/year, 0-1 WCF, 3 Rd1 outs
•repeatedly emasculated by Mailman Malone, Dream, Barkley in superstar matchups in playoffs

Giannis thru Y8 ('21)
•MVP, DPOY, MIP, AMVP
•5x All-NBA (3x 1st), 4x All-D (2x 1st), 5x All-Star

•5 playoff appearances: 52.2 wins/year, 0-1 ECF, two Rd1 outs
•emasculated repeatedly in superstar matchups vs Kawhi, Butler, KD in playoffs

.................

Beyond that, I think time has caused all but the most astute basketball heads to forget how people viewed Robinson in his prime. Like Giannis, he was shattering all kinds of efficiency records and "dominance" records and was seen as a physical specimen who could do things a guy at his position traditionally couldn't do. Robinson was a dominant player and revived a Spurs franchise that had been dormant since the Gervin years...

Dream winning those two rings really changed the narrative on his career, because before that there was fluidity in the early 90s as to the next best player to Mike, and Admiral was very much in that conversation and universally accepted as a Top 5 active player. Similarly, Giannis burst on the scene and many people consider him a Top 5 player, with both sharing in common a repeated breakdown in confidence, productivity, and efficiency from otherwise efficient players, once games shifted into playoff intensity...

So there are plenty of parallels, and I'm a fan of both but until and unless Giannis turns this trend around with the kind of performances expected from guys his stature, he's this era's David Robinson.....and Robinson never turned it around. The best thing that ever happened to him is getting hurt and a better player walking thru the door to enable him to play a lesser role without the backlash and responsibility given a guy who annually puts up historic regular seasons. And most people still rate Admiral as a Top 20 All-Timer (i don't have him that high), so maybe Giannis' true potential will be unlocked when he gets to play with someone better than him...

Easy neg

 

[ISO]

as a veteran mentor and good person? yes, definitely. he was not elite at the same time as duncan



robinson got sonned by olajuwon so bad that none of his shyt mattered at all

ewing was better than robinson

He averaged 16/10/2 with 1.4 steals and 2.4 blocks on 51% FG in the ‘99 season they won the chip.

The Twin Tower dynamic made it impossible to score on them.

D-Rob would make 2x All-Star games after this.

In that time period late 90’s, early 00’s name 5 “number two options” as impactful as D-Rob.

Duncan lucked out to play with a guy like Robinson and on a steady organization like the Spurs. He put them over the hump but he likely wouldn’t have that same success on a bottom feeding franchise.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

He averaged 16/10/2 with 1.4 steals and 2.4 blocks on 51% FG in the ‘99 season they won the chip.

The Twin Tower dynamic made it impossible to score on them.

D-Rob would make 2x All-Star games after this.

In that time period late 90’s, early 00’s name 5 “number two options” as impactful as D-Rob.

Duncan lucked out to play with a guy like Robinson and on a steady organization like the Spurs. He put them over the hump but he likely wouldn’t have that same success on a bottom feeding franchise.

The strike shortened ring against a Ewing-less knicks. That's more asterisk worthy than the bubble ring

It was impossible for the knicks to score on them because they had Camby Kurt Thomas chris dudley and a washed undersized (albeit awesome) LJ in their front court

Scoring in general was low then so Robinson's 16 looks good but Duncan was at 21

In the finals the knicks won one game. That was the game Robinson had 17 fukkin free throws and scored 25. He was the leading scorer and they lost. Story of most of his playoff career