Kid Chocolate at 160.
There werent any "threats" at 160 BEFORE GGG became "mainstream" besides JCC Jr/Sergio Martinez before the knee injury/Peter Quillin, so for the media to act as if he's dominating anything more at best than average fighters at this point, but to boost him up as if he IS on Carlos Monzon/Marvin Hagler's level is
Yes, I see what you mean, but you have to see what I mean as well. As easily as you can say that "People criticize dude for not taking on high level opposition, but what high level opposition is available to him?", I can reverse it and say "People hype dude even though they know he's not taking on high level opposition".
GGG and Peter Quillin are the best 2 Middleweights in the world right now, but GGG is getting hype that Kid Chocolate does not. The division is weak, and has been for years, so crowning him the best of a weak bunch is acceptable. Crowning him as one of the ATGs, and constantly mentioning him along with Monzon and Hagler, when he has never even stepped into the ring with a B+ fighter yet is kinda premature, and cause of the backlash.
Funny thing is even the #GGGoodBoys on here arent even outlandish in their statements on him, it's the boxing media and journalists.
Quillin's "closest" fight...he was beating Rosado 90-80, 89-81, and 87-83...plus dropped him and bust his eye up in the process before the fight was stopped. He's better than anyone GGG has faced up until now, and even though I would pick GGG to beat him, it would be a great test for GGG as well. Finally fighting someone who can box and punch instead of one or the other like usual
Because the MEDIA is crowning him an ATG already and the fans that arent on the bandwagon are showing backlash
Again, GGG's fans (on here at least) are rather knowledgable and aint jumped out the window yet. Reading and listening to the Dan Rafael's, Doug Fischer's, Kevin Iole's, Steve Kim's, and Jim Lampley's throw his name out with B-Hop, Monzon, Hagler at Middleweight and saying he's there with them is where the problem lies...imo
good post, i agree.
mostly, its the casual uninformed fan that has created this aura about GGG. they just watch his highlight reel knockouts, and highlight videos online, and think hes the best.
so far, hes an unknown quantity. hes been placed in with solid opposition, and done his job. however, we have yet to see how he handles world class opponents. hopefully one day it happens.
im more hyped on him than most due to his quality amateur record and the gym stores i hear thru the grapevine of him giving work to other top tier fighters in higher weight classes than him.
all the hype is good tho. it'll finally put some money in PPVs which would allow us as fans to finally see him against some quality opponents hopefully. him vs kid chocolate would b great. canelo/cotto too. and i'd like to see him fight ward after that.
but lets go out on a limb and say he beats canelo convincingly, and then fights and beats ward.
where would we have to rank him at that point?
its not completely unreasonable to imagine a scenario where that actually happens. i have ward winning him on points, but i wouldnt be shocked at all if he got in and KO'd ward.
Clearly I view Ward at a higher level if I'm saying he should move up and that GGG has business left at 160. Ward is one of my favorite fighters to watch, but how can some of you defend this voluntary inactivity? That's the difference between GGG and Ward. GGG can't get a big name opponent right now, so he just fights as much as possible and continues to build his brand. Ward would rather sit on his ass and wait for the perfect opportunity that is never gonna come. He's so desperate, he had to call out a MW but unlike Dawson he's not willing to move down to do it. Ward has gone about this so terribly. If he wanted the GGG fight so bad, why not get a fight signed with anybody, even some Rod Salka type scrub, and then call out GGG after the fight. That's how you get a fight. That's how Dawson got the fight with Ward.
Ward has already cleared out and ran thru his division and already beat the RING Champion of Light Heavyweight (who called Ward out at 168) easily. It took WARD to destroy the SMW division in a tournament, in which he wasnt even the favorite in initially, and make them boys look average. GGG's division was weak already and nobody was worth talking about by JCC Jr, Sergio Martinez (prior to the injury), and Quillin. GGG didnt fight any of the 3 and Sergio is washed up now, JCC Jr is at 168, and Quillin is with Haymon.
GGG has accomplished nothing in comparision to Andre Ward
How dare you attempt to slander SOG when your boy's best win is over Daniel Geale
GGG has been WBA Middleweight Champion since August 2010...why wasnt he looking for Sergio Martinez or even Paul Willams then?
Why didnt he fight Felix Sturm?
Why didnt he fight JCC Jr in 2011?
He fought washed up Kassim Ouma, but he couldnt fight them?
#SOGGang....I think we done here
), him, his camp, and his stans go scrambling for excuses.Yes, I see what you mean, but you have to see what I mean as well. As easily as you can say that "People criticize dude for not taking on high level opposition, but what high level opposition is available to him?", I can reverse it and say "People hype dude even though they know he's not taking on high level opposition".
GGG and Peter Quillin are the best 2 Middleweights in the world right now, but GGG is getting hype that Kid Chocolate does not. The division is weak, and has been for years, so crowning him the best of a weak bunch is acceptable. Crowning him as one of the ATGs, and constantly mentioning him along with Monzon and Hagler, when he has never even stepped into the ring with a B+ fighter yet is kinda premature, and cause of the backlash.
Funny thing is even the #GGGoodBoys on here arent even outlandish in their statements on him, it's the boxing media and journalists.
Quillin's "closest" fight...he was beating Rosado 90-80, 89-81, and 87-83...plus dropped him and bust his eye up in the process before the fight was stopped. He's better than anyone GGG has faced up until now, and even though I would pick GGG to beat him, it would be a great test for GGG as well. Finally fighting someone who can box and punch instead of one or the other like usual
Because the MEDIA is crowning him an ATG already and the fans that arent on the bandwagon are showing backlash
Again, GGG's fans (on here at least) are rather knowledgable and aint jumped out the window yet. Reading and listening to the Dan Rafael's, Doug Fischer's, Kevin Iole's, Steve Kim's, and Jim Lampley's throw his name out with B-Hop, Monzon, Hagler at Middleweight and saying he's there with them is where the problem lies...imo
